Potential veteran cuts

[Cowboyny]

Moving away from the Sean Payton talk, let's try to project which veterans could be cut in the offseason and have a follow up discussion on projecting whom they resign.

Potential Veteran Cuts

Zeke-he isn't going anywhere this offseason, but there is an out in his contract after next yr. It would be wise not to restructure his deal.

Amari Cooper-there is an out in his contract this offseason. I believe they save 16 million if released. You would think the decision is to keep Cooper or pay Gallup and Wilson.

Collins-there is an out in his contract as well. Believe it's upwards of over 10 million in savings. With the emergence of Steele, you would think Collins has played his last game in Dallas.

Tyron Smith-extremely frustrating player. When he plays, he is still a top 5 Tackle in this league, but he cannot be counted on to play more then 10 games a year. Think until he plays falls off, they will continue to manage him.

DLaw-there is no chance he plays on the 27 million cap number this season. He missed the majority of the season and is now over 30. Either they look to rework his contract or he will be released. Did say after the 49ers game, he doesn't back to come back. In the heat of the moment, but it is very possible he is done here.

 

[glimmerman]

D-Law and Elliot and likely Elliot will be restructures. Kicking the can a little but needed. Maybe some other. We have to get the cap down. Need money to pay some others. Some will walk. We will lose talent but hoping to regain through players we have that should come up. Ball was injured but supposed to be good. We will draft some talent. We will be ok..

 

[JBS]

You think they cut collins to save 10m? I highly highly doubt that

 

[robjay04]

I don’t think any of those guys are on another team next season but…

Tiis team needs to get better at trading their assets instead of cutting them.

If you could get a decent pick for a guy or two on that list, let’s do it but this team never gets draft capital in return for the veterans they cut.

 

[fivetwos]

I don’t think any of those guys are on another team next season but…

Tiis team needs to get better at trading their assets instead of cutting them.

If you could get a decent pick for a guy or two on that list, let’s do it but this team never gets draft capital in return for the veterans they cut.

They are never ahead of anything.

Everything is reactive.

 

[fansince68]

Moving away from the Sean Payton talk, let's try to project which veterans could be cut in the offseason and have a follow up discussion on projecting whom they resign.

Potential Veteran Cuts

Zeke-he isn't going anywhere this offseason, but there is an out in his contract after next yr. It would be wise not to restructure his deal.

Amari Cooper-there is an out in his contract this offseason. I believe they save 16 million if released. You would think the decision is to keep Cooper or pay Gallup and Wilson.

Collins-there is an out in his contract as well. Believe it's upwards of over 10 million in savings. With the emergence of Steele, you would think Collins has played his last game in Dallas.

Tyron Smith-extremely frustrating player. When he plays, he is still a top 5 Tackle in this league, but he cannot be counted on to play more then 10 games a year. Think until he plays falls off, they will continue to manage him.

DLaw-there is no chance he plays on the 27 million cap number this season. He missed the majority of the season and is now over 30. Either they look to rework his contract or he will be released. Did say after the 49ers game, he doesn't back to come back. In the heat of the moment, but it is very possible he is done here.

The "narrative " is that Tyron is a top 5 LT. IMHO, he's not. When on occasion he does play, he gets beat sometimes and has stupid holding penalties. Holding happens when the T gets beat. Tyron is no Chaz Green but he still isn't top 10

 

[fivetwos]

Moving away from the Sean Payton talk, let's try to project which veterans could be cut in the offseason and have a follow up discussion on projecting whom they resign.

Potential Veteran Cuts

Zeke-he isn't going anywhere this offseason, but there is an out in his contract after next yr. It would be wise not to restructure his deal.

Amari Cooper-there is an out in his contract this offseason. I believe they save 16 million if released. You would think the decision is to keep Cooper or pay Gallup and Wilson.

Collins-there is an out in his contract as well. Believe it's upwards of over 10 million in savings. With the emergence of Steele, you would think Collins has played his last game in Dallas.

Tyron Smith-extremely frustrating player. When he plays, he is still a top 5 Tackle in this league, but he cannot be counted on to play more then 10 games a year. Think until he plays falls off, they will continue to manage him.

DLaw-there is no chance he plays on the 27 million cap number this season. He missed the majority of the season and is now over 30. Either they look to rework his contract or he will be released. Did say after the 49ers game, he doesn't back to come back. In the heat of the moment, but it is very possible he is done here.

Agreed. I may have put Jarwin on that list also but I don't know the cap savings/hit.

I'd say they need to do something with at least three of those five just to get under the cap.

That doesn't count trying to retain the one year deal guys.

Having to start over on defense is making me ill.

 

[Hadenough]

Get rid of Smith! He is worn out!
Cooper and Zeke can go too.
Sign Gallup and Wilson
Restructure Lawrence
At this point I don't care about anything other than the run game and defense.

 

[JW82]

Cut'm all. Take as much of a cap hit in 22 as we can so Payton has some room to start the rebuild in 23....

 

[Cowboyny]

You think they cut collins to save 10m? I highly highly doubt that

Whenever you can have cheap talent with similar production, the veteran isn't safe, especially one who has missed 20 games in the last 2 seasons.

 

[Cowboyny]

Agreed. I may have put Jarwin on that list also but I don't know the cap savings/hit.

I'd say they need to do something with at least three of those five just to get under the cap.

That doesn't count trying to retain the one year deal guys.

Having to start over on defense is making me ill.

Good catch, forgot about him.

 

[Blake]

Any holdovers from the Garret regime. Gone.

 

[Streifenkarl]

Cut'm all. Take as much of a cap hit in 22 as we can so Payton has some room to start the rebuild in 23....

Despite the Payton thing (why would he be better than MM anyway? I agree. Just cut them all. We had our go with them, didn't work out.

So just cut them all and try to trade everyone with a fat contract and no trade clause too. Start over now. Better sooner than later. So the team is ready when Daks contract runs out and Jerry gets Burrow or MacJ for an assload of money.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I think this is the list of guys leaving via FA:

Schultz
LVE
C Williams
Gallup
Gregory or Tank. Keep 1
Kazee

 

[Creeper]

Collins is a $10 million save only if they designate him a June 1 cut. Otherwise cutting him only saves less than $2 million. And why would you cut a guy like Collins? Trade him, maybe? but an outright cut is gifting a good player to another team, maybe even a NFC East competitor.

I know people are ready to anoint Steele, but I am not. I want both of those guys in camp and competing for the RT spot, and possibly Collins competing for the LG spot. If after camp Steele is the clear winner, and Collins flops at LG, then I see if I can trade him, but that does not help them in 2022, other than to free up some CAP room which they really need before March.

Zeke's 2022 salary is already guaranteed so there is no point in cutting him. They can get a $12 million CAP save if they trade him after June 1, but no one is going to take his salary. So I agree, restructuring Zeke would be a mistake since it almost ensures he cannot be cut in 2023 either. That doesn't mean Jerry won't do it though. Zeke's 2022 CAP hit is over $18 million which is absurd at this point.

I am against cutting Tyron Smith because he is still the best left tackle the Cowboys have at this point and he is relatively cheap. They can restructure his contract, save some CAP room and still benefit is he is cut or retires in 2023.

In general I am against cutting guys just to create CAP space unless there is a backup plan. They can cut or trade Cooper, or they can structure him as well. But with only CeeDee under contract, I think it might be wise to restructure Cooper and maybe plan on cutting him next year.

One guy you haven't mentioned is Anthony Brown. They can cut Brown or trade him and create $5 million in CAP room. It's not huge but they have Kelvin Joseph to take his place.

The restructure targets are going to be Lawrence, Cooper, Tyron, Zack Martin, Dak, and Collins. Even modest restructures of those deals can net them $45 million in CAP saves. I think we will see them sign a couple of their guys back, then fill the roster with a bunch of 1 year $1 million deals.

 

[quickccc]

Whenever you can have cheap talent with similar production, the veteran isn't safe, especially one who has missed 20 games in the last 2 seasons.

With Lael Collins:

- I don’t understand why Collins would fall into your prediction as a cut-casualty. Why would you cut your best starting RT? … just for the sake of saving money ?
And that’s a guy that can also factor and play both OT and OG.
What does still remain with me with Lael, is why he is currently starting at RT, I'm still not sure if he is a natural RT.

- Steele is a luxury as being a utility backup guy, but he can only factor the best as a fill in RT.
And that’s what Steele is, imo….a fill-in backup RT, ..and one that you have to scheme-fit for best effectiveness at that.

He’s serviceable enuff to let you get by, but as a 16 game starter that’s asked to one up vs better edge rushers on a frequent basis thru entire games, you’d be
overwhelming him and ourselves.
That’s a Jeremy Parnell only status quo.

 

[quickccc]

Amari Cooper-there is an out in his contract this offseason. I believe they save 16 million if released. You would think the decision is to keep Cooper or pay Gallup and Wilson.

Ironically I just recently posted regarding a Cooper departure:

Re: “ Cooper while a good route runner tends to get bang up often, he tends shows up in spots and occasions. and my biggest peeve- he cannot beat the
the better, more elite coverage CBs.

- For what the Cowboys are dishing out for him dollar wise as one of the highest paid WRs, he's not delivering what he's paid for.
That’s elite pay money- but that’s not elite return performance.
Cooper is not worth being held hostage for that.

- And it had to be concerns and a reason why the Cowboys placed that Escape Clause option in Cooper’s contract.

- The big key is re-signing Gallup and Wilson, so that would lessen the burden of just relying on just Lamb..
Yes, both Gally/Ceddy are more role players - but losing both of them would too much deplete your WR unit as a whole, and its imperative to have those guys available
especially when considering Cooper's yearly nagging, limiting injuries.

Otherwise we'd have to re-start all over trying to draft and find significant factor WRs all over again.
That's probably too time consuming a WR plan and it eats up too much draft pick capital.in such a win now mode.

 

[Sydla]

D-Law and Elliot and likely Elliot will be restructures. Kicking the can a little but needed. Maybe some other. We have to get the cap down. Need money to pay some others. Some will walk. We will lose talent but hoping to regain through players we have that should come up. Ball was injured but supposed to be good. We will draft some talent. We will be ok..

Likely Elliott?

Man that would be beyond dumb.

 

[Sydla]

I feel like we may need to sticky this to the top of the board because people keep misunderstanding this.

If you cut someone before June 1 but designate him a June 1 cut, YOU HAVE TO CARRY HIS CAP NUMBER ON YOUR BOOKS UNTIL JUNE 1.

Some people think that that if you cut Collins, for example, in March but designate him a June 1 cut, you save $10 million on the cap in March. You don't. The $10 million doesn't come off the cap until June 2.

 

[quickccc]

Zeke-he isn't going anywhere this offseason, but there is an out in his contract after next yr. It would be wise not to restructure his deal.

Very strongly assuming we upgrade at coaching, OL personnel – hopefully we can better scheme-fit zeke into a much better RB role.

I dunno how much the knee is gonna hamper him from intense off season workouts -whereas I was hoping he can get track & field like off season training to help regain some agility
and speed (faint hope?) but this time around I fear the worse for zeke’s future in 2023.

As he is now, we cannot pretend ZKE is a cut-movement-burst guy anymore. We have to scheme based on his power game nowadays.
But his cap hit is likely too big for 2022.