Potential veteran cuts

[ChronicCowboy]

Cooper, Jarwin and Zuerlein are history.

Zeke and D-Law aren’t worth cutting this off-season. The financial effects would result in us being unable to replace those players.

Only other guy that might move on would be Tyron due to retirement. He’s still young but beat up with back and knee issues.

 

[quickccc]

I feel like we may need to sticky this to the top of the board because people keep misunderstanding this.

If you cut someone before June 1 but designate him a June 1 cut, YOU HAVE TO CARRY HIS CAP NUMBER ON YOUR BOOKS UNTIL JUNE 1.

Some people think that that if you cut Collins, for example, in March but designate him a June 1 cut, you save $10 million on the cap in March. You don't. The $10 million doesn't come off the cap until June 2.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap/

 

[speedkilz88]

Moving away from the Sean Payton talk, let's try to project which veterans could be cut in the offseason and have a follow up discussion on projecting whom they resign.

Potential Veteran Cuts

Zeke-he isn't going anywhere this offseason, but there is an out in his contract after next yr. It would be wise not to restructure his deal.

Amari Cooper-there is an out in his contract this offseason. I believe they save 16 million if released. You would think the decision is to keep Cooper or pay Gallup and Wilson.

Collins-there is an out in his contract as well. Believe it's upwards of over 10 million in savings. With the emergence of Steele, you would think Collins has played his last game in Dallas.

Tyron Smith-extremely frustrating player. When he plays, he is still a top 5 Tackle in this league, but he cannot be counted on to play more then 10 games a year. Think until he plays falls off, they will continue to manage him.

DLaw-there is no chance he plays on the 27 million cap number this season. He missed the majority of the season and is now over 30. Either they look to rework his contract or he will be released. Did say after the 49ers game, he doesn't back to come back. In the heat of the moment, but it is very possible he is done here.

Every player mentioned besides Zeke is someone other teams would trade for.

 

[Floatyworm]

Cut'm all. Take as much of a cap hit in 22 as we can so Payton has some room to start the rebuild in 23....

.....I seriously think planning ahead would be the way to go forward. But your going to get one last desperate push with this group....that's going to come up painfully short. We are going to go as far as a crippled Dak can take us. And that isn't going to be the Super Bowl.

 

[Denim Chicken]

The "narrative " is that Tyron is a top 5 LT. IMHO, he's not. When on occasion he does play, he gets beat sometimes and has stupid holding penalties. Holding happens when the T gets beat. Tyron is no Chaz Green but he still isn't top 10

He most definitely is. Is holding penalties have not increased with any significance from previous years.

Smith has traditionally been target for holding because of his hand technique. It look like a hold because he's so dominant. That's why everyone around the league always say "once he get's his hand on you, it's over".

 

[BaileyRiley1]

Anthony Brown will be cut imo

 

[Dalmations202]

I don't understand the want to get rid of Coop. Just restructure him. His contract isn't that long. He is a #1.
People complain that Coop goes away versus great CB's, but with a QB that isn't highly accurate, and everyone knows it -- why would the game plan be to target him. Hard to beat coverage if they aren't throwing it your way regardless.

Now I will admit that CJ Wilson infuriates me, so I want him gone. I think there are several WR on the team that could give you the same as he did.

Gallup is good, and a great #2 who doesn't have to compete against the other teams best --- but I wouldn't offer him too much when they already have CD.

Give me Coop and CD with a dynamic TE. #3 WR you can get one like a Christian Kirk (FA), etc, or even draft one. Simi and Vasher are bigger guys you can use for goal line/red zone work.
As long as you keep your #1 with Coop, CD gets the #2 guy. -- So get a dynamic TE and a quick #3 through draft or FA and you are good.

All this works as long as Coop is the #1 and forces the #1 defender on him. I have no idea how CD will be if he has to face the #1, and Dak stops throwing to him.

Dallas hasn't really been able to run or keep WR#3 off the field because their TE's couldn't block.

 

[Cowboyny]

With Lael Collins:

- I don’t understand why Collins would fall into your prediction as a cut-casualty. Why would you cut your best starting RT? … just for the sake of saving money ?
And that’s a guy that can also factor and play both OT and OG.
What does still remain with me with Lael, is why he is currently starting at RT, I'm still not sure if he is a natural RT.

- Steele is a luxury as being a utility backup guy, but he can only factor the best as a fill in RT.
And that’s what Steele is, imo….a fill-in backup RT, ..and one that you have to scheme-fit for best effectiveness at that.

He’s serviceable enuff to let you get by, but as a 16 game starter that’s asked to one up vs better edge rushers on a frequent basis thru entire games, you’d be
overwhelming him and ourselves.
That’s a Jeremy Parnell only status quo.

Heard some whispers that they aren't happy with how he came to camp the prior year and not only getting suspended but also getting an extended suspension. They clearly tried to make a point after his return. His play wasn't as good this season. I agree he is the better player then Steele, but they aren't paying him and don't have to worry about off the field concerns. It wouldn't surprise me if he does gets released, but due to the numbers and the state of the line, he probably survives but is on notice.

 

[Cowboyny]

Ironically I just recently posted regarding a Cooper departure:

Re: “ Cooper while a good route runner tends to get bang up often, he tends shows up in spots and occasions. and my biggest peeve- he cannot beat the
the better, more elite coverage CBs.

- For what the Cowboys are dishing out for him dollar wise as one of the highest paid WRs, he's not delivering what he's paid for.
That’s elite pay money- but that’s not elite return performance.
Cooper is not worth being held hostage for that.

- And it had to be concerns and a reason why the Cowboys placed that Escape Clause option in Cooper’s contract.

- The big key is re-signing Gallup and Wilson, so that would lessen the burden of just relying on just Lamb..
Yes, both Gally/Ceddy are more role players - but losing both of them would too much deplete your WR unit as a whole, and its imperative to have those guys available
especially when considering Cooper's yearly nagging, limiting injuries.

Otherwise we'd have to re-start all over trying to draft and find significant factor WRs all over again.
That's probably too time consuming a WR plan and it eats up too much draft pick capital.in such a win now mode.

This is a very interesting situation. Bobby Belt, who is a good insider and works with Slater, believes he won't return, just a gut feeling. We heard Jerry say some negative things about him after the season and some rumblings late in the yr about him complaining not seeing enough touches. If we read the breadcrumbs, he won't return. It's a gamble, but it may pay off as he does disappear in big games, especially on the road.

 

[Cowboyny]

Very strongly assuming we upgrade at coaching, OL personnel – hopefully we can better scheme-fit zeke into a much better RB role.

I dunno how much the knee is gonna hamper him from intense off season workouts -whereas I was hoping he can get track & field like off season training to help regain some agility
and speed (faint hope?) but this time around I fear the worse for zeke’s future in 2023.

As he is now, we cannot pretend ZKE is a cut-movement-burst guy anymore. We have to scheme based on his power game nowadays.
But his cap hit is likely too big for 2022.

Zeke will be given a year to rebound. Let's hope they not only upgrade some lineman but also some coaches. I think he still be effective is used right, but in 2023, his cap number is too large to keep him on the roster. Pollard is also up next season, not a great running back class, but they have to start thinking ahead.

 

[Cowboyny]

Anthony Brown will be cut imo

Think Lewis is the corner who could be in some roster trouble.

 

[charron]

all will be re structured. none of these guys will be cut.

 

[Cowboyny]

Every player mentioned besides Zeke is someone other teams would trade for.

Hard to deal players on big contracts as they know eventually they will become fa's.

 

[Cowboyny]

Agreed. I may have put Jarwin on that list also but I don't know the cap savings/hit.

I'd say they need to do something with at least three of those five just to get under the cap.

That doesn't count trying to retain the one year deal guys.

Having to start over on defense is making me ill.

I think Schultz priced himself out and they will keep Jarwin due to the numbers. Great year to address the position via the draft.

 

[speedkilz88]

Hard to deal players on big contracts as they know eventually they will become fa's.

Legit starters who aren't over the hill and aren't overpaid are traded all the time. Those mentioned would be idiotic to release.

 

[Cowboyny]

Legit starters who aren't over the hill and aren't overpaid are traded all the time. Those mentioned would be idiotic to release.

Would a team draft a 1st or 2nd rd WR that costs 3 million a season or pay Cooper 20 million and give up draft compensation. No team is taking on a 27 million cap hit for DLaw. I agree the lineman could get interest.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Moving away from the Sean Payton talk, let's try to project which veterans could be cut in the offseason and have a follow up discussion on projecting whom they resign.

Potential Veteran Cuts

Zeke-he isn't going anywhere this offseason, but there is an out in his contract after next yr. It would be wise not to restructure his deal.

Amari Cooper-there is an out in his contract this offseason. I believe they save 16 million if released. You would think the decision is to keep Cooper or pay Gallup and Wilson.

Collins-there is an out in his contract as well. Believe it's upwards of over 10 million in savings. With the emergence of Steele, you would think Collins has played his last game in Dallas.

Tyron Smith-extremely frustrating player. When he plays, he is still a top 5 Tackle in this league, but he cannot be counted on to play more then 10 games a year. Think until he plays falls off, they will continue to manage him.

DLaw-there is no chance he plays on the 27 million cap number this season. He missed the majority of the season and is now over 30. Either they look to rework his contract or he will be released. Did say after the 49ers game, he doesn't back to come back. In the heat of the moment, but it is very possible he is done here.

Of law is gone that great. Either Collins or smith must go. Cooper is a discussion.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Moving away from the Sean Payton talk, let's try to project which veterans could be cut in the offseason and have a follow up discussion on projecting whom they resign.

Potential Veteran Cuts

Zeke-he isn't going anywhere this offseason, but there is an out in his contract after next yr. It would be wise not to restructure his deal.

Amari Cooper-there is an out in his contract this offseason. I believe they save 16 million if released. You would think the decision is to keep Cooper or pay Gallup and Wilson.



Collins-there is an out in his contract as well. Believe it's upwards of over 10 million in savings. With the emergence of Steele, you would think Collins has played his last game in Dallas.

Tyron Smith-extremely frustrating player. When he plays, he is still a top 5 Tackle in this league, but he cannot be counted on to play more then 10 games a year. Think until he plays falls off, they will continue to manage him.

DLaw-there is no chance he plays on the 27 million cap number this season. He missed the majority of the season and is now over 30. Either they look to rework his contract or he will be released. Did say after the 49ers game, he doesn't back to come back. In the heat of the moment, but it is very possible he is done here.

Just my guess......but I think they will ask Coop and DLaw to take pay cut knowing the likely answer. Yes we could have 2 new starting DEs next season IMO.

I can Stephen replacing one with high draft pick and other with bottom-mid tier free agent

 

[speedkilz88]

Would a team draft a 1st or 2nd rd WR that costs 3 million a season or pay Cooper 20 million and give up draft compensation. No team is taking on a 27 million cap hit for DLaw. I agree the lineman could get interest.

Every year teams line up in free agency for the top wrs, the giants paid Golladay 18 million a season (28 million guaranteed) and he's nowhere near the talent as Cooper.

Teams don't inherit cap hits for the players. They only inherit the salaries. On DLaw it would be 19 million in 22 and 21 million in 23 and they could easily give him the money up front and add phony years if they wanted to reduce any cap hits or redo the deal altogether.

It would be the Cowboys who would eat cap hits when moving on from their players.

 

[Sydla]

Of law is gone that great. Either Collins or smith must go. Cooper is a discussion.

Why must either go?

Collins doesn't really save you that much cap unless he's a June 1 cut and in that case, it doesn't really help you until June 1.

You also create a big hole at OT. What are your plans if you cut one of our starting OTs? Are you assuming Ball can play? Draft one? Sign on in FA?