Is a culture of accountability that hard?

[links18]

It's not like the players don't try. There is not enough overall team talent yet at pivotal positions that we can play more consistently to be genuinely post season caliber. The best teams clean our clock. Of course we look for other reasons like hateful refs, lack of accountability, as if we were convinced we have enough talent. We don't have enough quality depth! Better teams force the opposition to make penalties and play undisciplined and that is so evident particularly on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

The likes of Luke Gifford doesn't cut it for you?

 

[mardwin]

Jerry Jones, although he doesn't realize it, is going to pay the ultimate price for his stubbornness.

He will never sniff another championship and all he will be remembered for is the guy who couldn't win 'his way.'

I'm actually not even sure if it's about that for him anymore. He just wants to a be a celebrity.

Do you obviously believe Jerry makes decisions with the intent to secure a championship? Jerry and his cronies live in their own world, where hype and the perception of success is all that matter.

Locking players to contract extensions beyond their level of play, hiring coaches they like but bring little to the table, prioritizing skill players in the draft. They kept Jason Garrett for a decade as a HC for goodness sake, this front office won't ever win a championship because their goal is to generate revenue everything else is secondary.

 

[Doomsday101]

For many years now, Cowboys fans have sung the same refrain of complaint: Jerry is ruining the team, the players are not accountable, there's no discipline, if only Jimmy were still here, etc.

The confusing thing is - none of this accountability part sounds hard at all. It sounds like Management 101 stuff.

If a player keeps playing badly, cut or demote him.

If a player has bad off the field issues, cut him.

Keep churning the bottom of the roster; someone who's undrafted or a 7th-rounder may still be a diamond in the rough, like Romo.

Don't insist on starting someone just because he's a first rounder or paid a lot.

Structure all contracts to the benefit of the team, not the player.

Reward the lunch pail, blue collar type of guy. Draft and sign those guys.

Ditch the prima donna guys.

All of this is stuff that any business undergrad student or casual Zoner on this board could come up with. Is it so hard that an NFL head coach - one of only 32 in the whole nation - can't?

I don't disagree but it is much harder to replace players than employee at a normal business. Jimmy brought discipline but if you go back Jimmy never cut a top player because of a mistake. Jimmy did not bench Emmitt when he would fall asleep during meetings. There is a bit of a balancing act where teams can't bench talent and with limited roster only so much you can do. For instance Cowboys tried to bench Williams and replace him, however replacement faired worse. As for contracts market sets values so if you plan on keeping guys until their rookie contract is up then release them the other alternative is pay them.

 

[fivetwos]

Do you obviously believe Jerry makes decisions with the intent to secure a championship? Jerry and his cronies live in their own world, where hype and the perception of success is all that matter.

Locking players to contract extensions beyond their level of play, hiring coaches they like but bring little to the table, prioritizing skill players in the draft. They kept Jason Garrett for a decade as a HC for goodness sake, this front office won't ever win a championship because their goal is to generate revenue everything else is secondary.

I do think he wants to win, but it's secondary to wanting to be a celebrity.

There's also a difference between not caring about winning and just not being good at making the right moves.

The problem is simple.....Jerry wanting to be on the radio and be buddies with players undermines the staff....so motivating players becomes a problem.

Funny how we often seem less motivated than the other team when it counts.

Every result is then met with positive reinforcement so Jerry can sell his product, and that message to the players is awful.....and makes the staffs job near impossible.

Jerry wants to win....just doesn't realize that he could possibly be the problem.

I don't even need or want him to step down. Just shutup!!

You may not have picked the best coaches but don't turn the difficult into impossible from word go.

This is why I hope for Payton. I really think he is the only guy with a shot to overcome this.

 

[Whosurpopi]

Jerry only puts them in the uniform. The coaches and player determine what happens in the field. When its the same couple guys always jumping offsides, and holding, its time to let them go. The pot head has had boneheaded plays in almost every important game he has been in. It is time for him go.

 

[DanTanna]

Sounds like Pavlov's rat, man.

Look at it this way. If you have a big fat rat. And no matter what that big fat rat does, he gets a nice food reward, where is the incentive for the rat to change its behavior? No. The rat will just keep doing what it wants and getting fatter and fatter from the larger and larger food reward thinking things are great.

 

[Blackrain]

I do think he wants to win, but it's secondary to wanting to be a celebrity.

There's also a difference between not caring about winning and just not being good at making the right moves.

The problem is simple.....Jerry wanting to be on the radio and be buddies with players undermines the staff....so motivating players becomes a problem.

Funny how we often seem less motivated than the other team when it counts.

Every result is then met with positive reinforcement so Jerry can sell his product, and that message to the players is awful.....and makes the staffs job near impossible.

Jerry wants to win....just doesn't realize that he could possibly be the problem.

I don't even need or want him to step down. Just shutup!!

You may not have picked the best coaches but don't turn the difficult into impossible from word go.

This is why I hope for Payton. I really think he is the only guy with a shot to overcome this.

I agree I think Payton is a much stronger personality than McCarthy who at this point from what I can see just wants to take care of his family get along and make the most of this window of opportunity.

This team needs a Tom Landry Bill belichick Don Shula type personality someone with so much credibility that Jerry just has to yield to their ability and authority.

Problem is those type people are coveted and don't want to come to a situation where they have to fight an owner for authority and power over the players

 

[atlantacowboy]

For many years now, Cowboys fans have sung the same refrain of complaint: Jerry is ruining the team, the players are not accountable, there's no discipline, if only Jimmy were still here, etc.

The confusing thing is - none of this accountability part sounds hard at all. It sounds like Management 101 stuff.

If a player keeps playing badly, cut or demote him.

If a player has bad off the field issues, cut him.

Keep churning the bottom of the roster; someone who's undrafted or a 7th-rounder may still be a diamond in the rough, like Romo.

Don't insist on starting someone just because he's a first rounder or paid a lot.

Structure all contracts to the benefit of the team, not the player.

Reward the lunch pail, blue collar type of guy. Draft and sign those guys.

Ditch the prima donna guys.

All of this is stuff that any business undergrad student or casual Zoner on this board could come up with. Is it so hard that an NFL head coach - one of only 32 in the whole nation - can't?

The lack of accountability starts with the Jones family. Jerry and his boy have been bumbling along in the post season desert for 26 years. Yet, they still keep their jobs and refuse to back away and hire competent people.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree I think Payton is a much stronger personality than McCarthy who at this point from what I can see just wants to take care of his family get along and make the most of this window of opportunity.

This team needs a Tom Landry Bill belichick Don Shula type personality someone with so much credibility that Jerry just has to yield to their ability and authority.

Problem is those type people are coveted and don't want to come to a situation where they have to fight an owner for authority and power over the players

I don't think Jerry is doing anything to prevent the HC from doing his job. Jerry was upset that the penalty situation was not addressed during the season and frankly just as fans will speak out on it I think GM damn well should speak out on it. I don't call that interfering, I think as GM he has an obligation to stand up and say things he is not liking, after all he pays the bills and frankly was spot on in expressing his frustrations with penalties and other aspect of his team.

 

[Blackrain]

Organizational Health 101- If there is no accountability at the top of an organization, there can be no accountability anywhere in the organization.

The fact that mid level people are the only ones to get fired and the HC here does not have full control of discipline or the locker room- maybe even game plans- makes for a cancerous culture. The players know they report to Jerry, not the HC.

As hard as this is to believe I believe the only accountability here comes from the young players.

They have to hold themselves accountable to get the big payday.
I truly believe the big contract is the only thing the players on this team play for.

Look at Micah in the skills challenge at the pro bowl I heard one statement that said it all. I want that check.

Micah , Trayvon and Cedric Wilson will hold themselves accountable because they want to get paid like Dak Zeke tank and Jalen

The rest of these players will just muddle through work their angles try not to get hurt and continue collecting their paychecks

 

[Blackrain]

I don't think Jerry is doing anything to prevent the HC from doing his job. Jerry was upset that the penalty situation was not addressed during the season and frankly just as fans will speak out on it I think GM damn well should speak out on it. I don't call that interfering, I think as GM he has an obligation to stand up and say things he is not liking, after all he pays the bills and frankly was spot on in expressing his frustrations with penalties and other aspect of his team.

Jerry wasn't upset near enough if I was paying those guys I would be in the team meeting reviewing the tape jumping into people's s*** for embarrassing me on national television with that crap.

That freaking dope head Gregory tackling a guy in a playoff game getting a 15-yard penalty after all Jerry's done for him and stuck with him was like stabbing him in the back.

If I was Jerry I would have been on the coach halfway through the season about these penalties. I wouldn't have waited till they killed us in a playoff game.

Nobody in their right mind would have figured that we would have had less penalties against better teams it should have been taken care of long ago

Beyond that if I was Jerry the GM.

I would have dressed that online coach down and told him that I had invested all kinds of money in first round draft picks in that online and it was an underachieving batch of crap. Starting with that weak-*** center that needs get to the weight room or go work at Domino's

 

[Doomsday101]

Jerry wasn't upset near enough if I was paying those guys I would be in the team meeting reviewing the tape jumping into people's s*** for embarrassing me on national television with that crap.

That freaking dope head Gregory tackling a guy in a playoff game getting a 15-yard penalty after all Jerry's done for him and stuck with him was like stabbing him in the back.

If I was Jerry I would have been on the coach halfway through the season about these penalties. I wouldn't have waited till they killed us in a playoff game.

Nobody in their right mind would have figured that we would have had less penalties against better teams it should have been taken care of long ago

Beyond that if I was Jerry the GM.

I would have dressed that online coach down and told him that I had invested all kinds of money in first round draft picks in that online and it was an underachieving batch of crap. Starting with that weak-*** center that needs get to the weight room or go work at Domino's

I don't doubt Jerry made his feelings known during the season behind closed doors, I sure do not think Jerry is the type to sit quite.

 

[fivetwos]

I agree I think Payton is a much stronger personality than McCarthy who at this point from what I can see just wants to take care of his family get along and make the most of this window of opportunity.

This team needs a Tom Landry Bill belichick Don Shula type personality someone with so much credibility that Jerry just has to yield to their ability and authority.

Problem is those type people are coveted and don't want to come to a situation where they have to fight an owner for authority and power over the players

Yes, that's why Payton is the closest thing to a real coach that we can hope for.

Jerry has respect for Payton, and will let him have certain concessions, and he at least has a shot to mitigate the Jerry situation with the players.

 

[fivetwos]

Jerry wasn't upset near enough if I was paying those guys I would be in the team meeting reviewing the tape jumping into people's s*** for embarrassing me on national television with that crap.

That freaking dope head Gregory tackling a guy in a playoff game getting a 15-yard penalty after all Jerry's done for him and stuck with him was like stabbing him in the back.

If I was Jerry I would have been on the coach halfway through the season about these penalties. I wouldn't have waited till they killed us in a playoff game.

Nobody in their right mind would have figured that we would have had less penalties against better teams it should have been taken care of long ago

Beyond that if I was Jerry the GM.

I would have dressed that online coach down and told him that I had invested all kinds of money in first round draft picks in that online and it was an underachieving batch of crap. Starting with that weak-*** center that needs get to the weight room or go work at Domino's

I really don't know how you may even begin to "work on" not committing penalties, even over an offseason, forget about within one.

Was gonna ask @Ranching eventually what he thought.

I think its more about players being a bit dumb, maybe some can't focus.

It's easy to say the coach should yell and suddenly the grabsies will go away.

I dunno there.

It is technique or mental? A coach should be able to get through either way, and it's easy to make myself feel better to moan about Philbin....but I'm not positive he is the problem.

Although I can say, much like Moore, he couldn't seem to help anyone get better any how in crunch time. Biadasz spent a lot of time on the ground after Minnesota.

 

[noshame]

And that ladies and gentlemen is why MM is a monumental fail.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

For many years now, Cowboys fans have sung the same refrain of complaint: Jerry is ruining the team, the players are not accountable, there's no discipline, if only Jimmy were still here, etc.

The confusing thing is - none of this accountability part sounds hard at all. It sounds like Management 101 stuff.

If a player keeps playing badly, cut or demote him.

If a player has bad off the field issues, cut him.

Keep churning the bottom of the roster; someone who's undrafted or a 7th-rounder may still be a diamond in the rough, like Romo.

Don't insist on starting someone just because he's a first rounder or paid a lot.

Structure all contracts to the benefit of the team, not the player.

Reward the lunch pail, blue collar type of guy. Draft and sign those guys.

Ditch the prima donna guys.

All of this is stuff that any business undergrad student or casual Zoner on this board could come up with. Is it so hard that an NFL head coach - one of only 32 in the whole nation - can't?

yes, its hard when it starts at the top. when there is no accountability at the top, but excuses and finger pointing, then it goes through the rest of the organization. when the guy at the top allows players to come to him, by passing the coach and he builds friendships that affect his decision making, then yes, accountability is hard. when the guy at the top plays favorites, when he tells assistant coaches, they report to him and not the head coach, yes accountability is hard.

its not about contracts. its about how we operate as an organization, no different than any other business. when lines of authority, accountability and responsibility are mudied, then yes, its hard to have accountability across the organization.

 

[Blackrain]

I really don't know how you may even begin to "work on" not committing penalties, even over an offseason, forget about within one.

Was gonna ask @Ranching eventually what he thought.

I think its more about players being a bit dumb, maybe some can't focus.

It's easy to say the coach should yell and suddenly the grabsies will go away.

I dunno there.

It is technique or mental? A coach should be able to get through either way, and it's easy to make myself feel better to moan about Philbin....but I'm not positive he is the problem.

Although I can say, much like Moore, he couldn't seem to help anyone get better any how in crunch time. Biadasz spent a lot of time on the ground after Minnesota.

I am certainly not an expert on offensive line play but I'm going to go with the Larry Allen method of .

If you train crazy hard you stand a good chance of being strong enough to hold your own ground.

Larry lived by that principle and it seemed to serve him well through a long NFL Hall of Fame career

 

[Blackrain]

Yes, that's why Payton is the closest thing to a real coach that we can hope for.

Jerry has respect for Payton, and will let him have certain concessions, and he at least has a shot to mitigate the Jerry situation with the players.

I'm off for it brother at this point what do we have to lose.

I never thought I would ever say that I didn't enjoy a 12 and 5 season.

But honestly it might as well have been a 5 and 12 season for the amount of frustration I had watching the opportunities just get squandered by stupid undisciplined play

 

[Floatyworm]

For many years now, Cowboys fans have sung the same refrain of complaint: Jerry is ruining the team, the players are not accountable, there's no discipline, if only Jimmy were still here, etc.

The confusing thing is - none of this accountability part sounds hard at all. It sounds like Management 101 stuff.

If a player keeps playing badly, cut or demote him.

If a player has bad off the field issues, cut him.

Keep churning the bottom of the roster; someone who's undrafted or a 7th-rounder may still be a diamond in the rough, like Romo.

Don't insist on starting someone just because he's a first rounder or paid a lot.

Structure all contracts to the benefit of the team, not the player.

Reward the lunch pail, blue collar type of guy. Draft and sign those guys.

Ditch the prima donna guys.

All of this is stuff that any business undergrad student or casual Zoner on this board could come up with. Is it so hard that an NFL head coach - one of only 32 in the whole nation - can't?

Sounds like a lot of work....Jerry doesn't like to work.

 

[Diehardblues]

For many years now, Cowboys fans have sung the same refrain of complaint: Jerry is ruining the team, the players are not accountable, there's no discipline, if only Jimmy were still here, etc.

The confusing thing is - none of this accountability part sounds hard at all. It sounds like Management 101 stuff.

If a player keeps playing badly, cut or demote him.

If a player has bad off the field issues, cut him.

Keep churning the bottom of the roster; someone who's undrafted or a 7th-rounder may still be a diamond in the rough, like Romo.

Don't insist on starting someone just because he's a first rounder or paid a lot.

Structure all contracts to the benefit of the team, not the player.

Reward the lunch pail, blue collar type of guy. Draft and sign those guys.

Ditch the prima donna guys.

All of this is stuff that any business undergrad student or casual Zoner on this board could come up with. Is it so hard that an NFL head coach - one of only 32 in the whole nation - can't?

I’m confused with your thought here.

Are you unsure what our ownership is doing to the culture here or don’t understand why they have ?