Releasing Collins would be stupid

[G2]

He must have done something that has rubbed everyone the wrong way if they're so eager to get rid of him even if they get nothing in return.

He got caught cheating and then tried to bribe himself out of a 5 game suspension, I figured it would be more obvious.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well if


missing drug test and than bribing the dude seems pretty damn shady to me!

but we stuck by gregory and he kept making mistakes...now we are planning to resign gregory....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think the #1 reason Collins is trade bait or the subject of being released: He’s unreliable.

Here’s what I mean- Collins has played 7 seasons and due to either injury or suspensions has missed 23 games. His suspension last year and what led to it is an example of his lack of commitment to the team. If a player missed the equivalent of a season and a half of games in 7 years, why spend big money on THAT? He is talented for sure, but talent alone isn’t enough.

The first ability every NFL player must have is REALIABILITY.

is smith then not reliable? he has missed games every year in the past 5 years.
what about Gregory?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't know what reasons the Cowboys might have for wanted to get rid of him so badly that they would just release him for no compensation but this has come up suddenly, not after the season, but just before free agency. I had not heard any complaints about Collins the way we heard about complaints about Cooper. There must be something they know that has not been made public. I also think he has trade value so it is surprising no one has come forward with a reasonable offer.

No matter what anyone may feel, this is a business transaction. So the Cowboys should not do anything rash. Trading him now will get them some compensation but frees only $1.3 million in CAP money. Given the player Collins is, $1.3 million is not enough of a save to cut him for financial reasons. So trading him for less than he is worth would be dumb. Of course they can designate him a June 1 cut and save $10 million this year, but that money is not freed until June 1. By then free agency and the draft are over and rosters are pretty much set. CAP room is less of an issue at that time.

Rather than designating him a June 1 cut, and getting nothing for him, why not keep him and trade him after June 1? As we get closer to the season his trade value will increase. An injury to a RT on another team will increase the demand for Collins. Collins is a very capable RT and he will have value to another team suffering an injury to a tackle.

If there is no other unknown issue forcing the Cowboys' hand, I would not get rid of him. I don't trust Steele just yet and I am concerned without Collins the Cowboys don't have a backup plan for when Tyron Smith gets hurt again. Further, we have no idea if the Cowboys will find a LG in the draft, and if not, then there is still the possibility that Collins moves to LG - although maybe the Cowboys asked him to move and he declined. Maybe that is why they are trying to trade him. But still, I would let him compete with Steele and if he loses that battle then let him seek a trade to the Cowboys satisfaction. I understand the Cowboys not wanted to pay a backup RT $15 million against the CAP.

But just releasing him would be a bad business decision. It would be like owning a stock and burning your shares instead of selling them because you own another stock that is performing better.

very good assessment. we have 28.5M cap space. releasing him would net 1.3M. its not a deal breaker if we needed to sign any one or a few FAs. I understand he hasn't been avaialble much the past two years, but one year was because of hip issues. Smith got injured last year and missed a ton of games. its NFL. its football. injuries happen. he did get suspended last year and did a stupid thing with the bribe thing and missed 5 games. but is that reason enough to just cut him outright, when players like Gregory get chance after chance after chance. zeke has gotten plenty of chances and he has done quite a few off the field stupid things.

we may feel Steele can replace him. we may feel its a cultural thing. but lets hold on to him as you said until somebody budges. no reason to trade him now, we can cut him close to season and end up exactly same place, its not like his salary is gauranteed prior to the season like Cooper's salary was.

 

[Bobhaze]

is smith then not reliable? he has missed games every year in the past 5 years.
what about Gregory?

I totally agree. I was for not signing Gregory because he’s never played more than 12 games in a season. And although I love Ty Smith, he’s become an injury waiting to happen. I am for drafting a LT ASAP.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

He got caught cheating and then tried to bribe himself out of a 5 game suspension, I figured it would be more obvious.

Please, if it was just that then he wouldn't have came back into the starting lineup with open arms. There's more to it than just that. I figured that would be obvious.

 

[G2]

Please, if it was just that then he wouldn't have came back into the starting lineup with open arms. There's more to it than just that. I figured that would be obvious.

There is. He's also been on injured reserve multiple times and is the 4th most penalized Dallas player. How many more examples of unreliability do you need? On top of that, it seems that the staff has always talked well about Steele. Otherwise, I would just suck it up and keep a player unless there's a trade. But Collins is clearly not a team player.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

There is. He's also been on injured reserve multiple times and is the 4th most penalized Dallas player. How many more examples of unreliability do you need? On top of that, it seems that the staff has always talked well about Steele. Otherwise, I would just suck it up and keep a player unless there's a trade. But Collins is clearly not a team player.

You saw this coming didn't ya?

 

[G2]

You saw this coming didn't ya?

I didn't. I actually thought they would cut Williams and put Collins at LG

 

[kevm3]

Since Connor Williams is gone, I don't know how you can let Collins go unless you just plan on going all in on the O line in the draft.

 

[Creeper]

Here’s the “secret” reason: He’s unreliable. Missing 23 games due to injury and/or suspension is a bad investment. The trade hasn’t happened because most NFL teams already know this. Collins is talented, but he has played a full season only 2 of his 7 seasons. If you’re going to lose him that often, why is he so”valuable”?

The point is, if they are going to cut him or trade him anyway, what's the rush if he only saves $1.3 million? After free agency and the draft, his value increases, and if there are injuries to tackles on other teams his value increases even more. My point was it is a business decision which means take the emotion out of it. If the Cowboys want to be rid of him then waiting gives them the best opportunity to maximize their return. If they cut him someone will sign him. There will be interest. What the Cowboys should be doing to waiting until the interest becomes greater due to need.

 

[sbark]

I didn't. I actually thought they would cut Williams and put Collins at LG

De-mot him to LG....see if it lights a fire
Show him gif of him wiping out wagner and all pro Fs 1000x...lol

 

[Bobhaze]

The point is, if they are going to cut him or trade him anyway, what's the rush if he only saves $1.3 million? After free agency and the draft, his value increases, and if there are injuries to tackles on other teams his value increases even more. My point was it is a business decision which means take the emotion out of it. If the Cowboys want to be rid of him then waiting gives them the best opportunity to maximize their return. If they cut him someone will sign him. There will be interest. What the Cowboys should be doing to waiting until the interest becomes greater due to need.

I agree that moving Collins isn’t a big money saving move. And they may be able to get a trade worked. I think the team is tired of his unreliability and despite his talent, he’s not been consistent. This seems like the off season for a reset of many things and ai think the organization is just done with his inconsistency and unreliability.

 

[Creeper]

I agree that moving Collins isn’t a big money saving move. And they may be able to get a trade worked. I think the team is tired of his unreliability and despite his talent, he’s not been consistent. This seems like the off season for a reset of many things and ai think the organization is just done with his inconsistency and unreliability.

I get the why, or at least I see why Dallas would want to move on from him. I don't agree with them on this but my issue is more about how than why. There is no rush or at least there doesn;'t need to be unless they know something we don't know.

 

[kevm3]

Trading away Collins for like a 4th or 5th rounder would be a terrible move unless they believe they can replace him and Connor Williams with a late round pick, which is highly doubtable. All of these so called cap savings is going to be worthless if we don't actually do anything with it and we're just creating a lot more holes that need to be filled.

 

[eromeopolk]

if we can trade him, then I can understand. you get something of value in return.

but releasing him....his dead cap is $14M, his salary cap is $15M. he would be worth keeping for that difference, even on the bench if necessary. why release him unless there is something personal about wanting to release him.

now, the only thing I can think of is Stephen "the accountant" Jones, wants to save cash. and not actually pay 15M, but from a cap management perspective it makes zero sense. Dallas was one of the lowest cash spending teams in the league. this would be a total business move and not a football move.

Therefore Jerry Dumbo GM Jones and son Stephen will do what is Stupid and Dumb.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

I don't know what reasons the Cowboys might have for wanted to get rid of him so badly that they would just release him for no compensation but this has come up suddenly, not after the season, but just before free agency. I had not heard any complaints about Collins the way we heard about complaints about Cooper. There must be something they know that has not been made public. I also think he has trade value so it is surprising no one has come forward with a reasonable offer.

No matter what anyone may feel, this is a business transaction. So the Cowboys should not do anything rash. Trading him now will get them some compensation but frees only $1.3 million in CAP money. Given the player Collins is, $1.3 million is not enough of a save to cut him for financial reasons. So trading him for less than he is worth would be dumb. Of course they can designate him a June 1 cut and save $10 million this year, but that money is not freed until June 1. By then free agency and the draft are over and rosters are pretty much set. CAP room is less of an issue at that time.

Rather than designating him a June 1 cut, and getting nothing for him, why not keep him and trade him after June 1? As we get closer to the season his trade value will increase. An injury to a RT on another team will increase the demand for Collins. Collins is a very capable RT and he will have value to another team suffering an injury to a tackle.

If there is no other unknown issue forcing the Cowboys' hand, I would not get rid of him. I don't trust Steele just yet and I am concerned without Collins the Cowboys don't have a backup plan for when Tyron Smith gets hurt again. Further, we have no idea if the Cowboys will find a LG in the draft, and if not, then there is still the possibility that Collins moves to LG - although maybe the Cowboys asked him to move and he declined. Maybe that is why they are trying to trade him. But still, I would let him compete with Steele and if he loses that battle then let him seek a trade to the Cowboys satisfaction. I understand the Cowboys not wanted to pay a backup RT $15 million against the CAP.

But just releasing him would be a bad business decision. It would be like owning a stock and burning your shares instead of selling them because you own another stock that is performing better.

I agree but this is Jerry you are dealing with. I think he makes most of his decisions based on emotion because he is underdeveloped. Success and money are tied together, that insulates him from the team losing.