OL Review

[xwalker]

List of measurables sorted by NFL.com player ranking.

Height, Weight and Arm Length are the primary measurables for OLinemen.

Athletic measurables are interesting if they've way off from similar players, but generally don't correlate to success as much as skill position speed/agility measurables.

 

[xwalker]

• Kenyon Green: Surprised to see only 20 on the bench.
• Trevor Penning: I'm skeptical that Green goes before Penning.
• Bernhard Raimann: I don't see him as worth a 1st.
• Zion Johnson: If he can play OC, then that moves him up a notch for me.
• Tyler Smith: Physically better than most or all other OL available at #24 or later. No technique. Just lines up and plays.
• Darian Kinnard: College RT. Should be a solid OG.
• Nicholas Petit-Frere: Looks really good in game footage. Maybe a bit underrated.
• Sean Rhyan: Solid player. Likely an OG or RT in the NFL. More 'ready now' than some higher rated players.
• Zach Tom: Natural OC forced to moved to LT his final 2 college seasons. A very good mid/late prospect at OC.

 

[darthseinfeld]

• Kenyon Green: Surprised to see only 20 on the bench.
• Trevor Penning: I'm skeptical that Green goes before Penning.
• Bernhard Raimann: I don't see him as worth a 1st.
• Zion Johnson: If he can play OC, then that moves him up a notch for me.
• Tyler Smith: Physically better than most or all other OL available at #24 or later. No technique. Just lines up and plays.
• Darian Kinnard: College RT. Should be a solid OG.
• Nicholas Petit-Frere: Looks really good in game footage. Maybe a bit underrated.
• Sean Rhyan: Solid player. Likely an OG or RT in the NFL. More 'ready now' than some higher rated players.
• Zach Tom: Natural OC forced to moved to LT his final 2 college seasons. A very good mid/late prospect at OC.

No one has had Green over Penning since at least the combine

 

[Cowboyny]

• Kenyon Green: Surprised to see only 20 on the bench.
• Trevor Penning: I'm skeptical that Green goes before Penning.
• Bernhard Raimann: I don't see him as worth a 1st.
• Zion Johnson: If he can play OC, then that moves him up a notch for me.
• Tyler Smith: Physically better than most or all other OL available at #24 or later. No technique. Just lines up and plays.
• Darian Kinnard: College RT. Should be a solid OG.
• Nicholas Petit-Frere: Looks really good in game footage. Maybe a bit underrated.
• Sean Rhyan: Solid player. Likely an OG or RT in the NFL. More 'ready now' than some higher rated players.
• Zach Tom: Natural OC forced to moved to LT his final 2 college seasons. A very good mid/late prospect at OC.

Zion is the high floor, Green is solid with upside, Smith has highest ceiling, but biggest boom or bust on his development. Love Penning but he will be out of reach. Give me any if the three

 

[tm1119]

Not to nitpick but some of these weights are pretty far off.

 

[Cowboyny]

• Kenyon Green: Surprised to see only 20 on the bench.
• Trevor Penning: I'm skeptical that Green goes before Penning.
• Bernhard Raimann: I don't see him as worth a 1st.
• Zion Johnson: If he can play OC, then that moves him up a notch for me.
• Tyler Smith: Physically better than most or all other OL available at #24 or later. No technique. Just lines up and plays.
• Darian Kinnard: College RT. Should be a solid OG.
• Nicholas Petit-Frere: Looks really good in game footage. Maybe a bit underrated.
• Sean Rhyan: Solid player. Likely an OG or RT in the NFL. More 'ready now' than some higher rated players.
• Zach Tom: Natural OC forced to moved to LT his final 2 college seasons. A very good mid/late prospect at OC.

Why hasn't Kinnard gotten more hype? He is expected to kick inside and is a dominate run blocker. I know he needs work in pass protection, but so do several others.

 

[garyv]

Zion is the high floor, Green is solid with upside, Smith has highest ceiling, but biggest boom or bust on his development. Love Penning but he will be out of reach. Give me any if the three

Not Linderbaum ?

 

[BAT]

• Kenyon Green: Surprised to see only 20 on the bench.
• Trevor Penning: I'm skeptical that Green goes before Penning.
• Bernhard Raimann: I don't see him as worth a 1st.
• Zion Johnson: If he can play OC, then that moves him up a notch for me.
• Tyler Smith: Physically better than most or all other OL available at #24 or later. No technique. Just lines up and plays.
• Darian Kinnard: College RT. Should be a solid OG.
• Nicholas Petit-Frere: Looks really good in game footage. Maybe a bit underrated.
• Sean Rhyan: Solid player. Likely an OG or RT in the NFL. More 'ready now' than some higher rated players.
• Zach Tom: Natural OC forced to moved to LT his final 2 college seasons. A very good mid/late prospect at OC.

Give me Tyler Smith/Daniel Faalele at OG/OT and Cole Strange/Zach Tom at OC.

After a trade down.

A few trade downs even better.

Volson and Dunkle are my dark horses.

 

[Cowboyny]

Not Linderbaum ?

I believe Linderbaum will be long gone. Outstanding tape.

 

[CowboyoWales]

• Kenyon Green: Surprised to see only 20 on the bench.
• Trevor Penning: I'm skeptical that Green goes before Penning.
• Bernhard Raimann: I don't see him as worth a 1st.
• Zion Johnson: If he can play OC, then that moves him up a notch for me.
• Tyler Smith: Physically better than most or all other OL available at #24 or later. No technique. Just lines up and plays.
• Darian Kinnard: College RT. Should be a solid OG.
• Nicholas Petit-Frere: Looks really good in game footage. Maybe a bit underrated.
• Sean Rhyan: Solid player. Likely an OG or RT in the NFL. More 'ready now' than some higher rated players.
• Zach Tom: Natural OC forced to moved to LT his final 2 college seasons. A very good mid/late prospect at OC.

You appear the only fan of Tyler Smith at 24. Nearly everyone else discards him as we arent taking a hopeful project in the 1st.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I believe Linderbaum will be long gone. Outstanding tape.

Like most of us i'm not going to pretend ive got any clue on evaluating the dark arts in the lines, however, does the 'tape' identify the DT's he played against. Doesn't the height and short arms leave him open to being beaten to the punch on pass protection?

Seeing that he's quick and mobile in run blocking is great....but wouldnt NFL DC's, be putting a big powerful DT and bull rush him....on the principal that the player to make first contact has the advantage?

 

[Cowboyny]

Like most of us i'm not going to pretend ive got any clue on evaluating the dark arts in the lines, however, does the 'tape' identify the DT's he played against. Doesn't the height and short arms leave him open to being beaten to the punch on pass protection?

Seeing that he's quick and mobile in run blocking is great....but wouldnt NFL DC's, be putting a big powerful DT and bull rush him....on the principal that the player to make first contact has the advantage?

I am weary of taking an undersized/lack of length interior player too. Our two biggest issues is the lack of a push in the run game and their inability to anchor against stronger players. However, the more I watch Linderbaum, the more I think he is similar to Osa, Both are former wrestlers, who know how to use leverage effectively, same could be said about Aaron Donald who also was undersized for his position. Think these players can overcome their physical shortcomings.

 

[terra]

Like most of us i'm not going to pretend ive got any clue on evaluating the dark arts in the lines, however, does the 'tape' identify the DT's he played against. Doesn't the height and short arms leave him open to being beaten to the punch on pass protection?

Seeing that he's quick and mobile in run blocking is great....but wouldnt NFL DC's, be putting a big powerful DT and bull rush him....on the principal that the player to make first contact has the advantage?

people who get hung up on an inch or so in the arms and 5-10 lbs of weight really need to get a life.
L is a former wrestler and a good one. But of course nothing matters to you except the underwear olympics.
The guy played in the big ten. You don't think he ran up against some really big and mean DT's and NT's? Really pathetic.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I am weary of taking an undersized/lack of length interior player too. Our two biggest issues is the lack of a push in the run game and their inability to anchor against stronger players. However, the more I watch Linderbaum, the more I think he is similar to Osa, Both are former wrestlers, who know how to use leverage effectively, same could be said about Aaron Donald who also was undersized for his position. Think these players can overcome their physical shortcomings.

Who does the tape showing him against and does it show the pass protection as well as the run blocking?

The difference with Donald is that his game is to beat the man whereas Linderbaum's is to initiate contact. I'm sure the wrestling approach helps, especially in mobility and finding weaknesses, but to counter that he'd get a massive DT running straight, if he wants to use mobility the DT just continues.

 

[CowboyoWales]

people who get hung up on an inch or so in the arms and 5-10 lbs of weight really need to get a life.
L is a former wrestler and a good one. But of course nothing matters to you except the underwear olympics.
The guy played in the big ten. You don't think he ran up against some really big and mean DT's and NT's? Really pathetic.

But he's a wrestler, which means he can hold back and use his mobility to evade and grab.....that doesnt translate to football.

Most commentators have brought up the potential issue of size whilst acknowledging the tape (especially on blocking). It's absolutely no point in having an outstanding tape on run blocking if at the next level he's potentially going to be found out (and if there is a weakness NFL coaches will do a Connor Williams on him).

Wrestling shows positive traits, but could also bring up issues of holding when not facing someone his own size.

Nothing wrong in discussing issues, I thought that's what this is all about?

 

[Landryhat73]

I am weary of taking an undersized/lack of length interior player too. Our two biggest issues is the lack of a push in the run game and their inability to anchor against stronger players. However, the more I watch Linderbaum, the more I think he is similar to Osa, Both are former wrestlers, who know how to use leverage effectively, same could be said about Aaron Donald who also was undersized for his position. Think these players can overcome their physical shortcomings.

Wouldn’t be worried with Linderbaum at all in the run game - he was dominate in college. The problem would be in pass protection, the combination of his short arm length against length could cause issues.

 

[terra]

But he's a wrestler, which means he can hold back and use his mobility to evade and grab.....that doesnt translate to football.

Most commentators have brought up the potential issue of size whilst acknowledging the tape (especially on blocking). It's absolutely no point in having an outstanding tape on run blocking if at the next level he's potentially going to be found out (and if there is a weakness NFL coaches will do a Connor Williams on him).

Wrestling shows positive traits, but could also bring up issues of holding when not facing someone his own size.

Nothing wrong in discussing issues, I thought that's what this is all about?

The reason that the tape always matters more is that it shows the player playing. Now there is not that big a gap between the top players in the big ten and the NFL. He has gone up against multiple DT's and NT's that will be playing on sunday and they have tape of how he did against each of them.

THAT is what is important.

Not some rather meaningless measurements.

 

[terra]

Wouldn’t be worried with Linderbaum at all in the run game - he was dominate in college. The problem would be in pass protection, the combination of his short arm length against length could cause issues.

THE FACT that several HOF centers had the same so called lack means nothing, right?

 

[CowboyoWales]

The reason that the tape always matters more is that it shows the player playing. Now there is not that big a gap between the top players in the big ten and the NFL. He has gone up against multiple DT's and NT's that will be playing on sunday and they have tape of how he did against each of them.

THAT is what is important.

Not some rather meaningless measurements.

You can't just ignore the negative as it doesnt suit your subjectivity. The concern is that his measurements may give him trouble at the next level, especially in power pass protection.

Most players drafted at 24 will have either weaknesses or are across the board average....to just overlook them, as you appear to be doing, is just setting up for a disaster, especially if we dont upgrade our pass protection at LG.

 

[stilltheguru]

List of measurables sorted by NFL.com player ranking.

Height, Weight and Arm Length are the primary measurables for OLinemen.

Athletic measurables are interesting if they've way off from similar players, but generally don't correlate to success as much as skill position speed/agility measurables.

There are other all pro guards who bemched around 20. I don't think it's a big deal.