Tyler Smith - Give us your scout report

DanA

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My Thoughts:
  • Great, size, length, power
  • Plus run blocking power if he doesn't lose balance (which happens too often)
  • Can be beat in the hand fight and needs to get better at getting his hands inside
  • Bad kick slide, and poor punch. He could develop into a OT in future years but he should start competing up against McGovern.
I think I like him a bit more than others I've been hearing. He had plenty of holding penalties but IMO so many of those relate to bad technique against speed rushers and footwork on his kick slide. If he's kicked inside to guard those aren't the same issue. The best guy on my board was Linderbaum and he's good at everything Smith isn't while lacking everything that makes Smith a good pick.
 

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Connor Williams was “ kicked inside “ and the refs had holding # 52 on speed dial . Hopefully Philbin can coach some of the bad habits out of him . Learn from Zack Martin and Tyrone Smith , he might turn out to be just what the line needs. Large and nasty .
 

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Connor Williams was “ kicked inside “ and the refs had holding # 52 on speed dial . Hopefully Philbin can coach some of the bad habits out of him . Learn from Zack Martin and Tyrone Smith , he might turn out to be just what the line needs. Large and nasty .
The Cowboys All Pro LT's name is Tyron Smith.

The Cowboys had a scrub DLineman name Tyrone Crawford.
 

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Connor Williams was “ kicked inside “ and the refs had holding # 52 on speed dial . Hopefully Philbin can coach some of the bad habits out of him . Learn from Zack Martin and Tyrone Smith , he might turn out to be just what the line needs. Large and nasty .

Ironically, I think they're almost polar opposite players. Williams was technically sound, just had no power to play well at the NFL level w/out holding. Smith is strong as an ox, but has no idea what to do with his hands and feet.
 

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My Thoughts:
  • Great, size, length, power
  • Plus run blocking power if he doesn't lose balance (which happens too often)
  • Can be beat in the hand fight and needs to get better at getting his hands inside
  • Bad kick slide, and poor punch. He could develop into a OT in future years but he should start competing up against McGovern.
I think I like him a bit more than others I've been hearing. He had plenty of holding penalties but IMO so many of those relate to bad technique against speed rushers and footwork on his kick slide. If he's kicked inside to guard those aren't the same issue. The best guy on my board was Linderbaum and he's good at everything Smith isn't while lacking everything that makes Smith a good pick.

I'll take Tyler Smith vs Jordan Davis over Linderbaum...
 

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Ironically, I think they're almost polar opposite players. Williams was technically sound, just had no power to play well at the NFL level w/out holding. Smith is strong as an ox, but has no idea what to do with his hands and feet.


That’s a great point . The Dolphins saw something in Williams I’m not sure what .
 

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Ironically, I think they're almost polar opposite players. Williams was technically sound, just had no power to play well at the NFL level w/out holding. Smith is strong as an ox, but has no idea what to do with his hands and feet.

Player 1: The Cowboys drafted an OLineman from a small school that was very raw from a technique perspective.

Player 2: The Cowboys drafted a big school, under-power OLineman with great technique and quick feet.



Player 1: Larry Allen

Player 2: Connor Williams
 

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Connor Williams vs Tyler Smith
  • 296lbs vs 324 pounds
  • 33" arms vs 34" arms
  • Technician vs Mauler
  • Struggles to catch vs struggles to punch
  • Great seal blocking vs Collapsing down hill
  • Struggles to sit and anchor vs Can be wrong footed when cross faced

Connor Williams need to gain 25lbs and improve his core strength and ability to sit down and anchor. Tyler Smith excels in the areas CW were weak but needs to improve his footwork and hand fighting which were Williams' strength, they are completely different and I think Tyler Smith compliments Biadasz where as Williams had the same issues.
 

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Connor Williams vs Tyler Smith
  • 296lbs vs 324 pounds
  • 33" arms vs 34" arms
  • Technician vs Mauler
  • Struggles to catch vs struggles to punch
  • Great seal blocking vs Collapsing down hill
  • Struggles to sit and anchor vs Can be wrong footed when cross faced

Connor Williams need to gain 25lbs and improve his core strength and ability to sit down and anchor. Tyler Smith excels in the areas CW were weak but needs to improve his footwork and hand fighting which were Williams' strength, they are completely different and I think Tyler Smith compliments Biadasz where as Williams had the same issues.
Can we megre them into one player?
 

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The guy Smith reminds me of is Alex Leatherwood. Plenty of power and all the straight-line athleticism in the world, but poor change-of-direction and balance killed him last year.

And it was easy to see too. Whenever a speed rusher hit Leatherwood with the fastball, he'd bail and lunge at them, and right there he's dead. There's a dozen different ways for an NFL end to dispose of a flailing, off-balance tackle after that. Smith does the exact same thing... when he gets hit with speed, he doesn't stay seated in his chair and mirror them. He lunges and grabs, and that will be a fatal flaw.

He's excellent at run-blocking. His special sauce is just Hulk-smashing dudes in a phone booth, but he also pulls far better than most power guards with his build. I think that part of his game easily translates at both guard and tackle. He's an NFL-ready run blocker even at 20 years old.

But I don't think his pass pro issues go away at guard. Even if he's hidden against outside speed, he still has terrible hands and still grabs when guys start to get past him. Slippery 3 techs are going to abuse him.

I get why Smith declared for the draft. He's physically ready for the NFL even as a redshirt sophomore, but he really needs some good coaching on his technique, and he wasn't going to find it with another year at Tulsa.

That being said, I think his problems with holding go deeper than just bad technique. He's just kind of a straight-linish power athlete, and that's getting out of place in a speed-and-space oriented league. He played nose tackle for most of his football career and I think he fits better there... just go freaking Hulk-smash on every snap and be a load at the LoS.
 
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HIgh ceiling / Low floor

Boom or bust.

All in all I think he is a decent gamble but not what I would consider a good 1st rd pick. He could develop into that and he is young enough that he is still learning.
I would have liked him at pick 56.

Going to have to coach the penalties out of him as well as improve his pass blocking. Easier said than done but not impossible.

He at least has the potential to grow into an elite player which is what we need. He also has the potential to be a bust.
 

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Player 1: The Cowboys drafted an OLineman from a small school that was very raw from a technique perspective.

Player 2: The Cowboys drafted a big school, under-power OLineman with great technique and quick feet.



Player 1: Larry Allen

Player 2: Connor Williams

Was Allen the penalty machine in college that Smith was?`
Just because the scouting report is similar doesn't mean the outcome will be.
And Allen was a second round pick.
 

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I don't see how people can't see Chaz Green all over again. It's like we cloned him.....and have been keeping him on ice....just waiting for the right moment. Let's just hope Chaz Green 2.0 is a better copy.
 
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