Swing Tackle, Mike Remmers?

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Reading Bob Hayes's depth chart thread, I'm wondering who's the swing tackle or do we even have one. Remmers can backup G and T, which could be helpful when Tyron starts missing games and we have shuffle or need a legit replacement. He's should also come cheap........


T MIKE REMMERS, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Remmers was brought back to Kansas City to serve as the swing tackle after lining up all over the Chiefs offensive line during the 2020 playoffs, and he was his usual reliable self in two spot-starts at right tackle in Weeks 6-7 before a nagging knee injury ended his season. Remmers has never earned a pass-blocking grade below 60.0 over nine seasons and 3,700 pass-blocking snaps. He should continue to draw interest as a swing tackle if his health recovers.

Strengths:
-Experience at both tackle positions and guard
-One of the better run-blocking grades on gap runs since 2015

Weaknesses:
-Below average pass-blocker on true pass sets
-Low percentage of positively graded plays in the running game

Scheme Fit/Role:
SWING TACKLE: Remmers could be a low-end starter at tackle, but any team that has him as their No. 6 offensive lineman is feeling good up front. He can play either tackle position or guard in a pinch, and he's performed reasonably throughout his career.

Recent Injury History:
In 2020, Remmers missed time due to a back injury, and he landed on injured reserve with a knee injury in 2021.

Contract Projection: One year, $2.75 million, $2 million total guaranteed

Bottom Line:
Remmers is a class swing tackle who can produce at a reasonable level at either tackle or guard. We've seen him overwhelmed by elite talent at times throughout his career, and he needs some help in pass protection, but he's as good as it gets as a No. 6 offensive lineman.
 

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Jerry was saying, we don't need a swing tackle now, but Stephen is running the day to day. Think they do, indeed, need to sign a veteran swing as Tyron is always hurt and Steele really struggled on the left side. Could Ball factor in? Yes, but let him compete for the role, if he beats out the veteran, release him.
 

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Jerry was saying, we don't need a swing tackle now, but Stephen is running the day to day. Think they do, indeed, need to sign a veteran swing as Tyron is always hurt and Steele really struggled on the left side. Could Ball factor in? Yes, but let him compete for the role, if he beats out the veteran, release him.

So we currently don't have one??????
 

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It will depend on how they view Ball or their rookie Wet?

OK........I would hope they are NOT thinking of using Tyler Smith ( LT ) too soon. We DO NOT wanna see this kid get Chaz green before his career even gets started.....you're playing with his confidence.

Why not sign a guy like Remmers and keep everything nice and clean (lol).......hell, if you believe PFF, he'll only cost you a couple of millions or so.
 

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Reading Bob Hayes's depth chart thread, I'm wondering who's the swing tackle or do we even have one. Remmers can backup G and T, which could be helpful when Tyron starts missing games and we have shuffle or need a legit replacement. He's should also come cheap........


T MIKE REMMERS, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Remmers was brought back to Kansas City to serve as the swing tackle after lining up all over the Chiefs offensive line during the 2020 playoffs, and he was his usual reliable self in two spot-starts at right tackle in Weeks 6-7 before a nagging knee injury ended his season. Remmers has never earned a pass-blocking grade below 60.0 over nine seasons and 3,700 pass-blocking snaps. He should continue to draw interest as a swing tackle if his health recovers.

Strengths:
-Experience at both tackle positions and guard
-One of the better run-blocking grades on gap runs since 2015

Weaknesses:
-Below average pass-blocker on true pass sets
-Low percentage of positively graded plays in the running game

Scheme Fit/Role:
SWING TACKLE: Remmers could be a low-end starter at tackle, but any team that has him as their No. 6 offensive lineman is feeling good up front. He can play either tackle position or guard in a pinch, and he's performed reasonably throughout his career.

Recent Injury History:
In 2020, Remmers missed time due to a back injury, and he landed on injured reserve with a knee injury in 2021.

Contract Projection: One year, $2.75 million, $2 million total guaranteed

Bottom Line:
Remmers is a class swing tackle who can produce at a reasonable level at either tackle or guard. We've seen him overwhelmed by elite talent at times throughout his career, and he needs some help in pass protection, but he's as good as it gets as a No. 6 offensive lineman.

Jerry already said point blank that the draft allows them not to need a swing tackle in FA.
 

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Jerry was saying, we don't need a swing tackle now, but Stephen is running the day to day. Think they do, indeed, need to sign a veteran swing as Tyron is always hurt and Steele really struggled on the left side. Could Ball factor in? Yes, but let him compete for the role, if he beats out the veteran, release him.
I don't at all see how Ball or Waletzko could make them think they don't need a veteran swing tackle, although there is only a certain amount of roster spots.

It's also foolish if Tyler is the immediate backup to Tyron...which may come into play sooner than later, and/or at any given moment.

Catch 22 because you want to develop guys, but it's tough to trust them while trying to win.
 

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OK........I would hope they are NOT thinking of using Tyler Smith ( LT ) too soon. We DO NOT wanna see this kid get Chaz green before his career even gets started.....you're playing with his confidence.

Why not sign a guy like Remmers and keep everything nice and clean (lol).......hell, if you believe PFF, he'll only cost you a couple of millions or so.
No, Smith will be an interior lineman this yr, unless mass injuries occur. I agree, would like to see a veteran brought in, but they might think otherwise. When drafted, Ball was suppose to be a ready swing tackle prospect, but he got injured and they saw he needed to get stronger. It will depend on where he is at and the confidence they have in him. Steele might remain the team's swing tackle and Ball could slide in on the right side.
 

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Was that because of Smith or Waletzko?

Yes. They have Ball, Walenzco and Smith to be the swing tackles. For better or for worse this FO is committed to playing the young guys. I actually like that strategy. Garrett would rarely play the young guys and I couldnt stand that. If your building a team through the draft you HAVE TO play and develop the young guys.
 

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No, Smith will be an interior lineman this yr, unless mass injuries occur. I agree, would like to see a veteran brought in, but they might think otherwise. When drafted, Ball was suppose to be a ready swing tackle prospect, but he got injured and they saw he needed to get stronger. It will depend on where he is at and the confidence they have in him. Steele might remain the team's swing tackle and Ball could slide in on the right side.
If Smith can't play an upcoming game, the best thing to do, although I don't like it, would probably be Steele at LT, Martin to RT and Farinok at RG (assuming he doesn't win the C job).

Then again the purpose of a swing tackle is to not have to move the whole line around for one injury.

Steele was awful at LT but at this point I'd trust him more than either of the rookies or Ball there.
 

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Ball in the mix for RT or Swing Tackle. In the video someone posted here after the draft Stephen mentioned it. He was another guy whose draft stock plummeted because of non-Football reasons so could surprised some this year. The OT we drafted doesn't seem ready to make a game day roster for at least a year if he sticks so if it isn't Smith/Steele/Ball as the top 3 it will be from outside the current roster IMO. Seems we sign a cheap, crappy, old, no longer any good, turnstile of a swing tackle each year so why would this be any different.
 

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Yes. They have Ball, Walenzco and Smith to be the swing tackles. For better or for worse this FO is committed to playing the young guys. I actually like that strategy. Garrett would rarely play the young guys and I couldnt stand that. If your building a team through the draft you HAVE TO play and develop the young guys.
Yeah I don't disagree, but as I posted above, it's a catch 22 when you're trying to win.

It's just the toughest position to trust a young guy. The QBs health is at stake.

Hence the term "progress stopper" though. Gotta develop the kids. Ball was supposedly a close to ready to play type but we haven't seen one single second of him on the field. The team has and maybe they trust him a little more than fans do.
 

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I am listening to podcasts and draft reactions concerning the Cowboys. Everyone seems to be complaining about the drafting of Tyler Smith because the Cowboys passed on better players like Linderbaum, Johnson, Lloyd, ect. I don’t think fans understand the Cowboys draft philosophy. I thought very early in the draft process that the Smith would be a Cowboy. I thought he fit the Cowboys profile more then Green/Zion because the Cowboys have always been a traits player when they drafted. I have been listening to the Cowboys all offseason and they keep talking about getting stronger/tougher. Smith fits the profile but I am going to go a step further. The Cowboys see Tyler as the next Larry Allen. The Cowboys think Smith is the future of the offensive line. They believe they got one with this pick.
 

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Yeah I don't disagree, but as I posted above, it's a catch 22 when you're trying to win.

It's just the toughest position to trust a young guy. The QBs health is at stake.

Hence the term "progress stopper" though. Gotta develop the kids. Ball was supposedly a close to ready to play type but we haven't seen one single second of him on the field. The team has and maybe they trust him a little more than fans do.

Im aware that this kind of uncertainty will not sit well with those that think we are trying to win the SB every year. Or the "we have less talent then we did last year" crowd.

But if we take a look at all the swing tackles the Cowboys have brought in here over the last 5-6 years I cant remember one that didnt suck when he got in there. Can you think of any?
 

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I am listening to podcasts and draft reactions concerning the Cowboys. Everyone seems to be complaining about the drafting of Tyler Smith because the Cowboys passed on better players like Linderbaum, Johnson, Lloyd, ect. I don’t think fans understand the Cowboys draft philosophy. I thought very early in the draft process that the Smith would be a Cowboy. I thought he fit the Cowboys profile more then Green/Zion because the Cowboys have always been a traits player when they drafted. I have been listening to the Cowboys all offseason and they keep talking about getting stronger/tougher. Smith fits the profile but I am going to go a step further. The Cowboys see Tyler as the next Larry Allen. The Cowboys think Smith is the future of the offensive line. They believe they got one with this pick.

We get that......but is he ready to line up against some of the league's best edge rushers as Tyron's replacement ( when injured ) which Jerry seems to imply. That's the question......
 

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I don't at all see how Ball or Waletzko could make them think they don't need a veteran swing tackle, although there is only a certain amount of roster spots.

It's also foolish if Tyler is the immediate backup to Tyron...which may come into play sooner than later, and/or at any given moment.

Catch 22 because you want to develop guys, but it's tough to trust them while trying to win.

Well what is the point of drafting them if you arent going to play them? And you are better off letting the kids play and try and win the job in training camp. If they are too raw then you can always go out and sign a guy.
 

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Im aware that this kind of uncertainty will not sit well with those that think we are trying to win the SB every year. Or the "we have less talent then we did last year" crowd.

But if we take a look at all the swing tackles the Cowboys have brought in here over the last 5-6 years I cant remember one that didnt suck when he got in there. Can you think of any?
Fleming was decent but the last two were quite shaky. Your line of thinking on that is probably exactly that of the team at this point.

I'm not at all against playing the kids btw. I felt the same about Garrett. Donovan Wilson should have been on the field much sooner... and that's far from the only example.

OL is a little different IMO because of protecting the QB and the season is way over if Dak is out.

But they had the balls to start UDFA Steele as a rookie, so.......all in all, I doubt a vet is brought in.
 
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