I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes

[DogFace]

The only time Romo played in 2016 was 1 series in the last game of the season when we rested everyone (big mistake) because we already had the #1 seed locked up.

Dak has 85 games to Mahomes 63. In Dak’s first year he wasn’t asked to pass much. Remember? The narrative was he couldn’t put up stats and didn’t deserve credit for the wins? Was that year two as well?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You’re right. So game for game what are the numbers? Do they count Mahomes playoff games in that?

The 300 yard games stat?

Yeah, every game of their career is included in that number.

For the playoffs specially Dak has one 300 yard game while Mahomes has four (including a 400 yard game).

 

[Doomsday101]

I said Dak was playing in an MVP level the first part of the season and he was. Unfortunately he didn’t maintain that level after returning from the calf injury.

add to that Dak had zero pre season and spent the off season rehabbing. His 1st action of the season was week 1. I will agree with anyone who says Dak has to improve but draw the line when some love to claim him as a something of bum.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Dak has 85 games to Mahomes 63. In Dak’s first year he wasn’t asked to pass much. Remember? The narrative was he couldn’t put up stats and didn’t deserve credit for the wins? Was that year two as well?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

I don't think there's much comparison to be made between Dak and Mahomes. It's just not even close.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The tweet that OP used to base his narrative around out of date, false data.

That's all that matters and that's all I'm saying.

The opinion on Jerry Rice making Steve Young is their opinion and I don't care.

false data and absolute LIE are not the same, no matter where you go.... but even the old data is partially true. its off by one game for Mahomes according to you and without going back over the comments, I believe it was a playoff game. so perhaps the data is correct for regular season and its not an OUTRIGHT LIE as you put it...

what the heck does jerry rice and steve young have to do with anything!!!

 

[DogFace]

The 300 yard games stat?

Yeah, every game of their career is included in that number.

For the playoffs specially Dak has one 300 yard game while Mahomes has four (including a 400 yard game).

What about an attempts to 300 yard games ratio? Wouldn’t that be a more accurate representation?

If Dak wasn’t asked to pass as much I’d say that’s a factor in not achieving 300ypg.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

false data and absolute LIE are not the same, no matter where you go.... but even the old data is partially true. its off by one game for Mahomes according to you and without going back over the comments, I believe it was a playoff game. so perhaps the data is correct for regular season and its not an OUTRIGHT LIE as you put it...

what the heck does jerry rice and steve young have to do with anything!!!

Its false data and as of today a complete lie.

Therefore, if you are using that data to base a narrative today then you are doing so under false pretenses. If you defend OP using that data to build a narrative just because you support the narrative then you're part of the issue.

The tweet does not say "regular season only", so there goes that theory for you.

 

[Sydla]

Well, they WERE playing at home, but they only won by 2, and only because a still injured kicker missed a 24-yard chip shot. Tampa will be favored this year also. They’ll all pick Tampa, and if the Bucs win by one on a fluke play with two seconds left, the “experts” will ignore the upsets to pile on Dallas.

You have a weird inferiority complex working here, where apparently everyone is out to get the Cowboys - the league, the media, etc.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

What about an attempts to 300 yard games ratio? Wouldn’t that be a more accurate representation?

If Dak wasn’t asked to pass as much I’d say that’s a factor in not achieving 300ypg.

Mahomes averages 36 attempts per game.
Dak averages 34 attempts per game.

Mahomes averages 301 yards per game.
Dak averages 260 yards per game.

Mahomes is asked to do MUCH more than Dak.

Mahomes has never had a 900 yard rusher to have his back, let alone a 1,000 yard one.
Dak's had a 1,000 yard rusher every year he's played except when Zeke was suspended in 2017 for 6 games and he STILL got 980 yards out of him.

I'm telling ya.... It's not even close between these two guys.

 

[starfan1]

anyone who has watched mahomes throw the ball knows he is worlds better than anyone not named Rogers or Brady. His ability to escape and his accuracy are 2 of his greatest strengths 2 of which Dak is not exactly a world beater at so comparing the 2 is futile but having said that Its assinine to overlook that the weapons Patrick has had on the offensive side of the ball are second to none.Not to mention the coaching staff is the leagues best. 100 yard rushing isnt a neccesity when you have the best TE in league and the best WR corps and Ol that is good.We saw what happens when he lost his bookends in the SB. he looked worse than dak does at times.

 

[john van brocklin]

How is this thread up to 15 pages already ?
What was the point of the thread ?
Somebody help a brother out !

 

[CowboyRoy]

Point 1: Mahomes played in 73 games, Dak only 56 and Dak still has him beat in 400 yard games.

Point 2: Mahomes has a god-like receiving unit. Dak has a very good receiving unit but it doesn't compare to Mahomes'. Kelce + Hill > by far anyone we got. Cowboys are receivers by committee. Chiefs have a receiving unit that have been proven unstoppable by 31 teams.

Point 3: Wins are a team accomplishment, so Mahomes didn't win those games on his own.


Again, Mahomes > Dak overall because of his Super Bowl and his postseason accomplishments, but lots of his games are simply because Chiefs are good enough to jump ahead and beat teams without Mahomes needing to do much. Cowboys has a bad defense most of the times, 0 dominant D-linemen, a used up starting running back, and an O-Line that blew the SF playoff game badly. Mahomes O-Line was horrendous in the Super Bowl, but at least they chose the last game of the year to be bad in.


Thoughts?

Dak is backup material. Average QB at best.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Dak is backup material. Average QB at best.

Compared to Mahomes? You're correct.

You're learning, Roy. I'm proud.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Remember this dude named Jerry Rice who made an above average arm like Steve Young look elite?

Mahomes has two receivers that resembles Rice more than anyone we got. Mahomes has a far better arm than Young, but see what happens when you have elite weapons like he does? We've never seen Dak with an elite receiver before. Once (or if) Dak has an elite receiver, we'll see who he really is!!

Why delete this?

Dak has had plenty of great receivers and plenty of weapons. Mahomes is simply as crafty as it gets extending the play and moving within the pocket. He also has one of the best coaches and offensive systems in the NFL.

But we saw what Mahomes could do with a bad Oline. Nothing at all.

 

[G2]

I said Dak was playing at an MVP level the first part of the season and he was. Unfortunately he didn’t maintain that level after returning from the calf injury. The level Dak is at is plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl but the team needs to step up around him.

It's very hard for some to admit this. Also this statement may translate to them as me saying "Dak = Canton!"

 

[Typhus]

Dak took Rooms job. Was Romo better than Maholmes?

Why is Mahomes being used as the baseline.
An obviously elite status QB, most comps in the league would be less in this debate

 

[Vtwin]

The 49er game is interesting in that I do think Prescott could have played better, look what he is expected to overcome. It was an s-show.

It was the perfect game for Dak to 'put the team in his back' for one drive. That's all it would have taken.
Dak was part of the s-show. Not a victim of it.

 

[CouchCoach]

Mahomes arm strength and accuracy are far better than Prescott's and most QB's in strength except Allen and Rodgers in accuracy.

If anyone would take Prescott over Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Burrow, Herbert or Wilson, I would question their criteria for evaluating QB's.

Over the other QB's? Yeah, I can make a case for that.

 

[CouchCoach]

It was the perfect game for Dak to 'put the team in his back' for one drive. That's all it would have taken.
Dak was part of the s-show. Not a victim of it.

Agree, it was a team lack of effort.

 

[CATCH17]

Hey guys… Let’s turn off the game and look at numbers so that way I can make you potentially buy something stupid.