CFZ Basham and Williams Roughing the Passer Flags and Rule

[Hoofbite]

Flags will be thrown if a hit looks too bad. Doesn't matter if it was clean or not, once it starts to get the crowd to collectively yell "oooooo", flags are coming.

That's the lay of the land. Adapt and move on.

 

[jblaze2004]

Roughing the passer penalties will NOT be called for Dallas Cowboys QBs.

THEY WILL BE CALLED On Dallas Cowboys defenders hitting any other QB.

Secret NFL codicil on the Roughing the Passer rules.

Exactly I wish they do away with it. As long as it's a legal hit for any player, not just QB-only rules. But a tackle is a tackle. The QB can protect themselves by not throwing the ball or they can take the hit. Enough with the decision rules. It just gives these part-time refs more flags to call on the cowboys and make game-changing calls.

 

[jblaze2004]

Do refs get yearly reviews? Like how many bad calls they have called and etc. And then get like a demotion or have some type of accountability that would make them think twice about making crappy calls?

 

[cowfan]

That's why Roger Staubach's career was so special. He played when there was no such thing as "in the grasp" or "unnecessary roughness"" or
Llp"leading with the helmet" penalties.

You pretty much had to paralyze a QB for life before they called roughing the passer.

That's also why Roger retired early because of concussions and all those hits. Football is different and the rules are here to stay and players have to adapt.

 

[RonnieT24]

Even if we just come near him.

Dude you cannot even day mean things to Brady or you will be suspended 5 games.

 

[gimmesix]

Williams didn't use his head. He used his shoulder with his head off to the side.
Plus, he even pulled up.

I thought the same. Basham's play was a penalty by rule. Williams' helmet was off to the side as he hit the QB with his shoulder. Considering that the QB was rolling to that side, it would have been pretty hard for him to not hit him with his helmet at all. I believe it should have fallen under incidental contact. The only reason I could see for it was Williams did lower his helmet.

 

[IceBowler]

Rules are easy to write. They are relatively easy to coach. The "rules" aren't the problem - it is the unequal way in which they are applied on the field that has helped to push me almost away from football altogether.

 

[DanA]

The tackles look completely different to me.

• Basham did not drive through the QB and bury him with his weight landing square on the QB as in the instructional video. To me, it's a textbook tackle and I very much think the QB could feel the difference. I'm at a loss as to what Basham should have done in that situation aside from electing to push and not tackle.
• I don't believe there was forceable contact with the helmet but I do think there is a technique issue there and I'd have liked to see Sam Williams turn his head more to ensure contact with the shoulder.

 

[plasticman]

That's also why Roger retired early because of concussions and all those hits. Football is different and the rules are here to stay and players have to adapt.

So then why are there so many more injuries today than there was back then?

In the 70's, the average number of Cowboys that started every game in a season is 14.2. A little more than 14 players each year started every game. The lowest number was 11`.

In the 2010's there was only two seasons in which the number of "complete season" starters was a two digit number and both times that number was 10. Starters are missing a larger proportion of games today than they were 50 years ago despite all the new safety technology in the NFL.

I mean, I agree that they must follow the rules. They hurt their chances of winning if they don't. I'm just kind of skeptical when it comes to justifying these rules.

I'm also puzzled by the fact that football players today make exponentially more money today than those in the 70's. I would think by now that it is understood that part of the reason for the higher salary is accepting the risks associated with playing this game. Think of it as hazardous duty pay. If a soldier can accept $150 a month to put himself in harm's way, then maybe players should look at part of their half million to 40 million dollars a year as the same.

After doing so then maybe the NFL can change back to their original rules in the 70's and actually play football again.

 

[J12B]

personally,i thought both were horse crap.

The Sam Williams one was 100% horse crap.

 

[ConstantReboot]

One of the million of things I love about Parsons is he understands the rules and knows how to hit the quarterback. He did have one horse crap call against the Raiders that cost us the game. That is what most fans are worried about.

Yes Parsons is very intelligent. He doesn't go for the big hit. He just pushes them down nicely. If both Williams and Basham would not have lowered the boom on the QB he wouldn't have been called.

 

[bsbellomy]

Williams helmet mostly hit the quarterback's right side of the chest. It was a glancing blow from the helmet but the rule does not care. Neither do the refs.

I'm sure there were 50 other hits just like Sam Williams hit that didn't get called for roughing.

 

[CWR]

Geez, the Williams penalty was nonsense. He let up and in no way did he lead with his helmet. He did not "lower" his helmet either. Why defend that call? It was trash.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Like I said before, both calls were BS penalty calls. You know when they are intentional and meant to hurt the opposing QB. These 2 were not.

 

[plasticman]

Good post. I wish younger fans had an opportunity to see what the NFL used to be. It has changed very much over the years. Tripping over a blade of grass will get you on IR nowadays.

I've told this story before but I think it really epitomizes NFL football back in the mid-sixties. And, by the way, this is a true story.

So Don Meredith and the Cowboys are playing the Giants during one particular season. Don has some really bruised ribs so the Cowboys fit him with this state of the art protective vest that is filled with a thick liquid. For some reason, the color of the liquid happens to be red.

At some point in the game the Giants blitz with their Hall of Fame linebacker, Sam Huff. He crashes into Meredith's body so hard that it not only puts him instantly on the ground, it also ruptures the protective vest.

Huff and the others are absolutely horrified to see this red liquid seemingly oozing out of Meredith's body from almost every direction. Suddenly Meredith opens his eyes, looks up at Huff and says, "Now look what you did Sam, you killled me!"

 

[Runwildboys]

Geez, the Williams penalty was nonsense. He let up and in no way did he lead with his helmet. He did not "lower" his helmet either. Why defend that call? It was trash.

I agree with you on the Williams call, but the call against Basher looked legit to me. I know everyone who's saying it was a BS call would have been screaming, if it had been our QB.

 

[DogFace]

The helmet and head are very close to the shoulder pad. So basically you can’t lead with a shoulder either. I guess the defender (for the Cowboys) needs to push the QB with his hands, in the chest only and not wrap up to tackle or dive in any way.

Also, I’d they’re going to call them like that the pump fakes by the QB need to be illegal too.

 

[Runwildboys]

Like I said before, both calls were BS penalty calls. You know when they are intentional and meant to hurt the opposing QB. These 2 were not.

It doesn't have to be meant to hurt the QB to be a penalty. It's like most calls for "running into the kicker". None of them are trying to hurt the kicker, but they're trying to keep him safe, so it doesn't matter that it was accidental. They need to be more careful, or they're getting flagged.

 

[DogFace]

I agree with you on the Williams call, but the call against Basher looked legit to me. I know everyone who's saying it was a BS call would have been screaming, if it had been our QB.

Pretty sure that’s because we routinely DO NOT get calls like that. See Dak. See Romo.

 

[Runwildboys]

Pretty sure that’s because we routinely DO NOT get calls like that. See Dak. See Romo.

I agree, but that doesn't diminish the legitimacy of the call against Basher.