Kurt Warner Breaks Down Dak vs Packers

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Another great breakdown from Kurt. His insights are incredible to me, I really appreciate being able to watch a veteran like him to these breakdowns.

A couple of takeaways from me (I'm not an expert but just my 2 cents) are Dak doesn't seem to trust anyone but Lamb and Schultz. Seems like his first read on every play is to Lamb's side of the field then he goes from there. He also just prefers throwing between the hashes and bails or flat-out ignoring the outside receivers too often to me.

In some of these plays, there are 3 vs 3 on one side and 2 vs 3 on the other and his initial read is to the side with the 2 vs 3.

The final 4th downplay design was a joke, 2 receivers running the same route on top of each other and not much else for Dak to go to. Seems to be a pattern at times with Kellen Moore.


Kurt is saying what I've been saying for years and that's Prescot doesn't have that football knowledge to compete in this league. He's too slow with his reads and passes! What really pisses me off is he'll go up to the receiver and make it look like the receiver ran the wrong route or whatever he can blame the receiver or TE for. Also, what the hell is Prescot doing with his left leg, prancing up and down like he's a Shetland pony!
 

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Kurt is saying what I've been saying for years and that's Prescot doesn't have that football knowledge to compete in this league. He's too slow with his reads and passes! What really pisses me off is he'll go up to the receiver and make it look like the receiver ran the wrong route or whatever he can blame the receiver or TE for. Also, what the hell is Prescot doing with his left leg, prancing up and down like he's a Shetland pony!
Can you point to where in the video he says "Prescott doesn't have the football knowledge to compete in this league". I may have missed that.
 

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Be done with whatever floats your boat. 10+ professional, HOF and SB winning receivers and coaches have all said CeeDee was to blame for refusing to run inside and in front of the Safety. That's a 5 step timing pattern, it's coming out quickly, and CeeDee would have caught it in stride had he cut his route 2 yards shorter and made sure to dissect that triangle coverage inside. CeeDee would still be running for a TD had he made a 2 step quicker cut and sliced that triangle coverage. He didn't do it because he was scared to get hit. Why else hesitate and round out badly a 5 step timing pattern?
On the 2nd one Ceedee actually took a step to the inside but saw the Safety break and he made the business decision to run the post instead. Dak read it correctly and was hung out to dry.

There is no other explanation. You (you meaning the haters, not you per se :)) guys want him to throw into coverage, you guys want him to target the #1, you guys want him to anticipate.....until he does and then you all complain about it like petulant children.

It is hillarious. Again, this rant isn't directed at you AC lol
 

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Bottom line: Kurt Warner points out numerous instances where Dak simply does not read the field well....and on the 2 INT's, that many want to blame Lamb and Schultz, Warner correctly points out that Dak should have been able to read the play so as NOT to make those throws....but again, Dak stares down his 1st read and can't go through his reads or read the field.

 

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Dak played poorly yes, but my question overall is why would we stop running the ball when it was successful? 46 passes (10 of those should have been runs). I would rather get 4-5 yards on a down that runs clock as opposed to an incomplete pass making my 3rd down options harder. It also keeps the a reeling defense off the field. That's 3-4 more minutes of possession time which then doesn't allow ARod to run and use playaction, he'd be forced to start doing legitimate drop backs which is what we want.
 

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It is like talking to my 8 year old with you guys...holy cow.

No, but there are a lot of other factors for any given play that can't be seen from the all 22 in slow mo.

Again...Warner usually only focuses on the bad plays as learning ops. So go watch literally any other vid.
I'll ask again. What has Dak done in 7 years that makes you think he can get us any further than a wild card game? What hope does he give this fanbase? He was better in his first 3 years then he has been in the last 4. He no longer scrambles or uses his legs. Hes not a good pocket passer because he's too slow to read the field. You're standing and screaming at the top of your lungs on a sinking ship. You just haven't realized its sinking fast. Dak is a good middle of the pack QB nothing more. He will continue to keep the Cowboys mediocre just like he's done for the last 7 years.
 

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I believe the guy that is unbiased unlike Irvin who is a cheerleader and always has been.

Warner is probably one of the smartest QBs and football guys and diagnoses play in an unbiased manner wherein he calls out bad plays/players as he sees them.
If he was praising Dak, he would be one of the most knowledgeable guys ever who played in the NFL. Why does Kurt "hate" Dak, is Kurt a Romo lover? lmao......
 

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Kurt" I just don't get..What's he looking...maybe a throwaway....we got a guy open over....well maybe ...they had to be tipped...that's all I thought...had to be tipped...throw needs to be out now before 8 step drop.... I'm not sure what....what just happened".......
hum was he watching dak, that sounds like what a lot of level-headed people say without getting emotional. hum
 

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On the 2nd one Ceedee actually took a step to the inside but saw the Safety break and he made the business decision to run the post instead. Dak read it correctly and was hung out to dry.

There is no other explanation. You (you meaning the haters, not you per se :)) guys want him to throw into coverage, you guys want him to target the #1, you guys want him to anticipate.....until he does and then you all complain about it like petulant children.

It is hillarious. Again, this rant isn't directed at you AC lol
Like I said before....you think people said he has to throw with anticipation every single time. You HAVE to think this way so you can argue.

Some throws are a timed anticipation on some plays....others have to wait for the play to develop.

This play isn't proof that Dak CAN throw with good anticipation. That could still be a valid discussion. In fact...one could argue this play shows that he isn;t very good at it.

I'm not saying he is or isn't. But cut the nonsense.
 

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I'll ask again. What has Dak done in 7 years that makes you think he can get us any further than a wild card game? What hope does he give this fanbase? He was better in his first 3 years then he has been in the last 4. He no longer scrambles or uses his legs. Hes not a good pocket passer because he's too slow to read the field. You're standing and screaming at the top of your lungs on a sinking ship. You just haven't realized its sinking fast. Dak is a good middle of the pack QB nothing more. He will continue to keep the Cowboys mediocre just like he's done for the last 7 years.
The stats say he has been better the last 4 years than he was in his first three....injuries aside.

If you notice, he is running more this year and I expect that to continue.

It isn't all about him and that is where you and I differ. Do you think Dak couldn't have won a divisional game if his defense held the other team to 3 points like Allen had when he got to the AFC CC game?

He just needs the rest of the team to show up and not kill the entire game by giving up 200 yards rushing or having 12 or more penalties. This is a team game, no player overcomes the deficiencies of the entire team the further in the playoffs you go.
 

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Like I said before....you think people said he has to throw with anticipation every single time. You HAVE to think this way so you can argue.

Some throws are a timed anticipation on some plays....others have to wait for the play to develop.

This play isn't proof that Dak CAN throw with good anticipation. That could still be a valid discussion. In fact...one could argue this play shows that he isn;t very good at it.

I'm not saying he is or isn't. But cut the nonsense.
Kurt pointed out in the video that Dak takes too many steps in his progressions. That + happy feet how can anyone expect him to throw with anticipation. The moments where he does actually try to throw with anticipation it’s either the wrong decision or too early/late. I’m not saying ALL the time but in the moments where it’s needed most.
 

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Like I said before....you think people said he has to throw with anticipation every single time. You HAVE to think this way so you can argue.

Some throws are a timed anticipation on some plays....others have to wait for the play to develop.

This play isn't proof that Dak CAN throw with good anticipation. That could still be a valid discussion. In fact...one could argue this play shows that he isn;t very good at it.

I'm not saying he is or isn't. But cut the nonsense.
The play was one they run a lot....it is a play that requires it be thrown with anticipation. This alone says that you are wrong.

Try and wrap your mind around that fact.
 

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The stats say he has been better the last 4 years than he was in his first three....injuries aside.

If you notice, he is running more this year and I expect that to continue.

It isn't all about him and that is where you and I differ. Do you think Dak couldn't have won a divisional game if his defense held the other team to 3 points like Allen had when he got to the AFC CC game?

He just needs the rest of the team to show up and not kill the entire game by giving up 200 yards rushing or having 12 or more penalties. This is a team game, no player overcomes the deficiencies of the entire team the further in the playoffs you go.

A quick look at Daks rushing stats shows you're wrong again. Ever since his injury is no longer takes off.

2016 282 (16 games)
2017 357 (16 games)
2018 305 (16 games)
2019 277 (16 games)
2020 93 (5 games)
2021 131 (16 games)
2022 51 (4 games)

Dak no longer uses his legs to get out of trouble. Injuries have scared him. Teams no longer have to plan for that threat like they do with Tua, Fields, Hurts, Mahomes, Jackson, Murray and so many others.
 

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The play was one they run a lot....it is a play that requires it be thrown with anticipation. This alone says that you are wrong.

Try and wrap your mind around that fact.
Isnt this one that has been intercepted or should have been....3 games in a row?

And "try to wrap your head around the fact"....that i made no claim about this play. Id said one COULD make an argument....i never said one way or another. So without any claim....i cant be wrong.

My objection is that you and others, who like conflict, are creating a false narrative about this throwing with anticipation nonsense. Id suggest you go back and re-read the comment you quoted. Without anger or argument.
 

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A quick look at Daks rushing stats shows you're wrong again. Ever since his injury is no longer takes off.

2016 282 (16 games)
2017 357 (16 games)
2018 305 (16 games)
2019 277 (16 games)
2020 93 (5 games)
2021 131 (16 games)
2022 51 (4 games)

Dak no longer uses his legs to get out of trouble. Injuries have scared him. Teams no longer have to plan for that threat like they do with Tua, Fields, Hurts, Mahomes, Jackson, Murray and so many others.
Quick math test for you...

What is 4 X 51?
 

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Isnt this one that has been intercepted or should have been....3 games in a row?

And "try to wrap your head around the fact"....that i made no claim about this play. Id said one COULD make an argument....i never said one way or another. So without any claim....i cant be wrong.

My objection is that you and others, who like conflict, are creating a false narrative about this throwing with anticipation nonsense. Id suggest you go back and re-read the comment you quoted. Without anger or argument.
There is no anger in my statement...not sure where you are getting that from.

Yes, one play. One play that people are game-planning for is because we do it a lot with great success.
 

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Another great breakdown from Kurt. His insights are incredible to me, I really appreciate being able to watch a veteran like him to these breakdowns.

A couple of takeaways from me (I'm not an expert but just my 2 cents) are Dak doesn't seem to trust anyone but Lamb and Schultz. Seems like his first read on every play is to Lamb's side of the field then he goes from there. He also just prefers throwing between the hashes and bails or flat-out ignoring the outside receivers too often to me.

In some of these plays, there are 3 vs 3 on one side and 2 vs 3 on the other and his initial read is to the side with the 2 vs 3.

The final 4th downplay design was a joke, 2 receivers running the same route on top of each other and not much else for Dak to go to. Seems to be a pattern at times with Kellen Moore.


Can warner coach , Dak ? LOL
 
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