CFZ We need a O-Line coach

Blast From The Past

Well-Known Member
Messages
3,630
Reaction score
2,264
What is an OL coach supposed to do about a false start? What do we think, that in meetings, he tells them to jump the cadence?

People attribute penalties to coaching way too often.
as a young offensive guard I was not coached on receiving penalties but quiet the opposite. It is on the linemen to know the snap count and not to move until the ball is hiked. Not on the oline coach, whom I don't care much for.
 

ChronicCowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,919
Reaction score
14,511
Solari stays
Biadasz gets franchise tagged
Pollard stays with another 1 year deal
 

glimmerman

Well-Known Member
Messages
30,059
Reaction score
29,911
Feels like the run-play designs are a total mismatch for this offensive line.

How can you have Tyler Smith and Martin at guard and not be able to get more than 2 yards running up the middle week after week?

We need to see more delay/draws as well. As much as they are passing the ball they have to do something to take advantage of the opponent's DL teeing off on Dak. Ran one with Dowdle in the first half for 9 yards and never went back to it.
That’s the plays that beat our Defense a lot. We run right past the RB on our way to the qb. They squirt right through and off they go..
 

glimmerman

Well-Known Member
Messages
30,059
Reaction score
29,911
They do make too many mistakes, but that penalty for an illegal man upfield when they were at the 2 yard line seemed a bit crappy to me.
Agree. You’re on the 2. How do they get upfield. There is none. I saw a lot of crappy calls and non calls.
 

glimmerman

Well-Known Member
Messages
30,059
Reaction score
29,911
Personally, I think it's because Biadasz is simply not good. He's average to below average more than not, and the only reason he isnt a complete liability is because hes playing next to Tyler Smith and Zach Martin. If we had a center who was average 90% of the time, the run game would be much better. Additionally, I think Pollard is ***. He doesn't see lanes open up and either runs straight into the hole or waits too long and gets tripped up. I think its blatantly obvious that he's better suited as a part time change-up back that can catch defenses off guard. Huge blunder on McClay and co's part to think Pollard could be a bell cow but also thank God we didnt pay him.
We did pay him in a way. And JJ is always saying he wants his money on the field. Thats why he is starting when it’s clear he is not the best RB. When we run Dowdle for a bit then put Pollard in. That’s when the run game starts to work. And we have a 240 pound RB that we don’t use..
 
Messages
9,758
Reaction score
6,918
These penalties on our O-Line are on coaching. People will say the players are the ones committing the penalties but they can be coached out. Our run blocking is not that great. That’s the blocking system. We are no longer an aggressive O-Line. We have the big boys to do it but this coach has changed something. Penalties especially inside the 10 are dumb.

The other part of the running game woes are MM. He don’t like to run up the middle inside the 5. But before we get to the 20 he will run Pollard up the middle. He is not a starter and not a 20+ carry RB, Notice when we rest Pollard and use Dowdle for a few series our run game gets better and Pollard will break a few runs. We need a hammer and Dowdle can do it but you need to have to use him early. Luepke is a 240 pound RB but gets no carry’s. He has 3 all season. And one of them is a TD from the 4 yard line. I saw him in the game last night but used as a blocker.

This crap will cost us in the playoffs or against better teams. It cost us egirls game. Look at end of game. We were on the 2 and got a penalty. Them give up a sack.

Too late in the season to replace the O-Line coach and the blocking system. We had issues one year with JG when he let our real good O-Line coach go and hired his buddy that got fired from bengals. He changed the system and we stunk. The bye week JJ fired him and brought Colombo in and he changed back to the aggressive system our players were used to. Our run game improved.

Problem is these players don’t know the aggressive style we used a few years ago.

Dak is using the “here we go” thing to help let the O-Line know the snap. Something is not working. Needs to be fixed.
These penalties on our O-Line are on coaching. People will say the players are the ones committing the penalties but they can be coached out. Our run blocking is not that great. That’s the blocking system. We are no longer an aggressive O-Line. We have the big boys to do it but this coach has changed something. Penalties especially inside the 10 are dumb.

The other part of the running game woes are MM. He don’t like to run up the middle inside the 5. But before we get to the 20 he will run Pollard up the middle. He is not a starter and not a 20+ carry RB, Notice when we rest Pollard and use Dowdle for a few series our run game gets better and Pollard will break a few runs. We need a hammer and Dowdle can do it but you need to have to use him early. Luepke is a 240 pound RB but gets no carry’s. He has 3 all season. And one of them is a TD from the 4 yard line. I saw him in the game last night but used as a blocker.

This crap will cost us in the playoffs or against better teams. It cost us egirls game. Look at end of game. We were on the 2 and got a penalty. Them give up a sack.

Too late in the season to replace the O-Line coach and the blocking system. We had issues one year with JG when he let our real good O-Line coach go and hired his buddy that got fired from bengals. He changed the system and we stunk. The bye week JJ fired him and brought Colombo in and he changed back to the aggressive system our players were used to. Our run game improved.

Problem is these players don’t know the aggressive style we used a few years ago.

Dak is using the “here we go” thing to help let the O-Line know the snap. Something is not working. Needs to be fixed.
Nate Newton loves the guy, says he's a great coach. Not sure who comes up with the blocking schemes, I assumed it was schotty or MM, but it doesn't look like they put much effort into it,,, could be that weak center "anchoring" the middle.
 

Crown Royal

Insulin Beware
Messages
14,229
Reaction score
6,383
  • Biadasz is a nice player and belongs in the league but he's clearly overmatched too often on inside runs.
  • Agree on coaching - there are clear sync issues.
  • The OL is aging. They're still individually really good but I would say right now Smith is the only one who is as athletic as he is strong. Tyron is just massive but can't run like he used to, Biadasz not terribly strong and overall a lot of stiffness.
I think there is no single issue - lots of problems. I miss having a top 3 OL in both pass pro and run blocking.
 

glimmerman

Well-Known Member
Messages
30,059
Reaction score
29,911
I've been saying it for the past 4-5 years, our Oline coaches stink and their poor coaching is hurting and holding this team back. I truly believe we would have reached a Super Bowl or two by now had we had a real good Oline coach who knows how to push this Oline and make them perform so much better.
No way these monsters shouldn’t be pushing people back. We miss an Elliot type RB that can pound on defenders and wear them down. And penalties in red zone is just unexeptable. This O-Line coach is not getting it done. Why JG let our coach go is dumb. It helped cost him his job..
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,975
Reaction score
21,041
These penalties on our O-Line are on coaching. People will say the players are the ones committing the penalties but they can be coached out. Our run blocking is not that great. That’s the blocking system. We are no longer an aggressive O-Line. We have the big boys to do it but this coach has changed something. Penalties especially inside the 10 are dumb.

The other part of the running game woes are MM. He don’t like to run up the middle inside the 5. But before we get to the 20 he will run Pollard up the middle. He is not a starter and not a 20+ carry RB, Notice when we rest Pollard and use Dowdle for a few series our run game gets better and Pollard will break a few runs. We need a hammer and Dowdle can do it but you need to have to use him early. Luepke is a 240 pound RB but gets no carry’s. He has 3 all season. And one of them is a TD from the 4 yard line. I saw him in the game last night but used as a blocker.

This crap will cost us in the playoffs or against better teams. It cost us egirls game. Look at end of game. We were on the 2 and got a penalty. Them give up a sack.

Too late in the season to replace the O-Line coach and the blocking system. We had issues one year with JG when he let our real good O-Line coach go and hired his buddy that got fired from bengals. He changed the system and we stunk. The bye week JJ fired him and brought Colombo in and he changed back to the aggressive system our players were used to. Our run game improved.

Problem is these players don’t know the aggressive style we used a few years ago.

Dak is using the “here we go” thing to help let the O-Line know the snap. Something is not working. Needs to be fixed.

The offense is built for between the 20s. A coach isn't going to change that.

The WRs are quick and get separation. Our oline are zone blockers, not power blockers, and mostly drafted for their pass blocking,
Pollard is an edge RB/WR, though we waste him by not sending him downfield more.

Dowdle has been better than we had any right to hope for, but both he and Pollard are a mediocre 4.1ypc, and neither is an interior power runner.

I wanted us to draft a huge interior RB for the role Zeke had last year, but we didn't do that at all.

We is what we is. We're not built for straight ahead pounding it up the middle on a short field. Especially with Steele underperforming this year.

It's reasonable to hope that Steele picks up his run blocking through the end of the season. That was what he was best at before his injury.

Luepke might be our best short yardage back. We could try him.

Probably our best option short yardage option are misdirection plays with multiple options:
1) Luepke up the middle.
2) Pollard wide.
3) Dak running bootlegs and rolling out for RPOs, particularly to Ferguson's side.

Our oline can move, Pollard is best on the edge, and Dak can run. We gotta make use of what we got. We're just not a straight ahead run team.

I also wanted to see Bostic play some blocking TE to put some real Jumbo in our Jumbo packages. He was a TE in HS, and you don't need a big route tree at the 2 yard line. But there no sign that they considered that option at all this year.
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,975
Reaction score
21,041
  • Biadasz is a nice player and belongs in the league but he's clearly overmatched too often on inside runs.
  • Agree on coaching - there are clear sync issues.
  • The OL is aging. They're still individually really good but I would say right now Smith is the only one who is as athletic as he is strong. Tyron is just massive but can't run like he used to, Biadasz not terribly strong and overall a lot of stiffness.
I think there is no single issue - lots of problems. I miss having a top 3 OL in both pass pro and run blocking.
Per PFF, we've got 2 elite oline in the Smiths, this is Martin's 2nd year a row in the low 70s, Steel has collapsed to 50, and Biadasz is Biadasz, an average C without power or great athleticism, but very smart and competent at giving help to the guards.

This year we came up yuge on the left side of the oline, about the same at C, and underperforming on the right side.

Still some season to play and reasonable hope that the right side can kick it up a notch or two, particularly in the run blocking.
 

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
45,601
Reaction score
21,801
Solari is way better than Philbin.

We need upgrades at RB.

Expecting scrub RBs to run like Elite RBs is asking a lot.
System is not enough for seperations that come with very top talent productions. But, this group can still be productive and present strong alternatives and push any defense...yea, including San Francisco and Phladelphia.
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,975
Reaction score
21,041
No way these monsters shouldn’t be pushing people back. We miss an Elliot type RB that can pound on defenders and wear them down. And penalties in red zone is just unexeptable. This O-Line coach is not getting it done. Why JG let our coach go is dumb. It helped cost him his job..
I think you're just wrong about who the oline is. They're tackles drafted for pass blocking. They're not straight ahead road graders. Especially Biadasz, and Steele just hasn't been the guy he was last year.

As an aside, the dline has been worse with the presnap penalties, with multiple guys simply lining up offsides. There's a penalty there is *no* excuse for. The whole dline should get a team fine when one of them lines up offsides. What, you can't see when your neighbor lines up offsides 2 feet away from you? It's a group failure there.

I can live with the jumps. But lining up offsides is entirely coaching. Put a process in place to snuff it out. Just should not happen.
 

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
45,601
Reaction score
21,801
  • Biadasz is a nice player and belongs in the league but he's clearly overmatched too often on inside runs.
  • Agree on coaching - there are clear sync issues.
  • The OL is aging. They're still individually really good but I would say right now Smith is the only one who is as athletic as he is strong. Tyron is just massive but can't run like he used to, Biadasz not terribly strong and overall a lot of stiffness.
I think there is no single issue - lots of problems. I miss having a top 3 OL in both pass pro and run blocking.
The Cowboys have already tied the franchise single-season record for 40-point games with five, equaling the amount from 2021 and 1971. Four of the five have occurred at home, where the Cowboys are averaging exactly 41.0 points per game.
 

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
45,601
Reaction score
21,801
I think you're just wrong about who the oline is. They're tackles drafted for pass blocking. They're not straight ahead road graders. Especially Biadasz, and Steele just hasn't been the guy he was last year.

As an aside, the dline has been worse with the presnap penalties, with multiple guys simply lining up offsides. There's a penalty there is *no* excuse for. The whole dline should get a team fine when one of them lines up offsides. What, you can't see when your neighbor lines up offsides 2 feet away from you? It's a group failure there.

I can live with the jumps. But lining up offsides is entirely coaching. Put a process in place to snuff it out. Just should not happen.
That starts with focus in training camp and accountability...wind sprints wouldn't be popular. This line didn't come together until Arizona.
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,975
Reaction score
21,041
We've had 3 different OL coaches in a fairly short time, yet the run game is never very good. It may be the players.
The rotation of technique and scheme doesn't do the players any favors either.

I think we built a zone blocking oline. Not ideal for straight ahead short yardage. We've got to make use of their agility and smarts with misdirection.
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,975
Reaction score
21,041
Solari stays
Biadasz gets franchise tagged
Pollard stays with another 1 year deal
We *didn't* draft a potential replacement for Biadasz, so maybe we will be stuck franchising him.

At least he's not injured, like our last 2 franchise players.

Still, I'm not a fan of franchising middling starters. Or giving them big money. Gallup and Schultz were big mistakes that I saw coming. I wanted to franchise Pollard, but maybe not a great idea to give top money to a player coming off a serious injury either. Clearly a bad choice in retrospect.

Biadasz with a franchise tag? That's just CYA. He's not a franchise level player. Not even close. We didn't even pretend to give ourselves any options for next year.

But I can live with penciling in a top C with our 1st round pick. They're usually gold. NT this year. C next year. That's the way to build a team.
 

Coogiguy03

Well-Known Member
Messages
18,739
Reaction score
15,930
Feels like the run-play designs are a total mismatch for this offensive line.

How can you have Tyler Smith and Martin at guard and not be able to get more than 2 yards running up the middle week after week?

We need to see more delay/draws as well. As much as they are passing the ball they have to do something to take advantage of the opponent's DL teeing off on Dak. Ran one with Dowdle in the first half for 9 yards and never went back to it.
we're going to save that play for later in the playoffs
 

charron

Well-Known Member
Messages
13,550
Reaction score
13,881
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
#1 issue is scheme. Same problem for years that the cowboys personnel and alignment tip the play. When Zeke 1st came into the league it didn't matter as the ol a d Zeke couldn't be stopped regardless of the defense knew what was coming. Now is completely different. Pollard gets to the line clean very few times. Not much creativity to get the runner to open lanes. They are terrible at screens too.
 
Top