Roster building philosophy

[Killerinstinct]

Deadlines make deals - BAD DEALS

Contracts should be offered a year early at a fair price and if the player won’t sign he should be traded while he has value

QB contracts and the it’s his turn belief

This is ridiculous. So little consideration is given to the quality of the supporting cast being a factor in the QB’s stats and success. We hear on and on about the a purgatory we had with Hutchinson, Stoerner, Magee and all the rest. The supporting cast was bad. Those guys never had a chance. The same can be said for the Browns whiffing on several top QB picks. What if Brock Purdy didn’t play for the 49ers roster? What if he played for a lesser team. Would he have been an instant success. Same for Dak during his rookie year. If you have a Mahomes you pay him what he is worth. If you have a Dak you pay him far less not more when it’s “his turn”. You also never agree to a no trade clause. Dak should have been traded years ago after being offered and refusing a fair contract.

There are multiple ways to win super bowls. If you have a Mahomes or Brady you can win with a little less talent in the supporting cast. If you have a good but not great QB. You need to surround him with superior talent and you can’t do that if you are paying him like a Mahomes or Brady or worse like the it’s my turn to set the market QB.

Keep the roster young by trading away vets that won’t accept a fair contract and when the occasional difference making free agent is available offer him what he is worth. If an Aaron Donald type comes along have the cap space to add the player. Don’t try to build a roster of comp picks.

The first 3 rounds are where most of the good players are. Try to have as many of those picks as you can.

The goal is to have as many exceptional players on your roster as possible. You achieve that by not overpaying your own. Trading those that want more than they are worth. Offer contracts earlier when they are more affordable. Put a premium in the first 3 rounds of the draft by trading later round draft picks for premium picks and grabbing the occasional difference making free agent when you have the chance.

 

[john van brocklin]

Deadlines make deals - BAD DEALS

Contracts should be offered a year early at a fair price and if the player won’t sign he should be traded while he has value

QB contracts and the it’s his turn belief

This is ridiculous. So little consideration is given to the quality of the supporting cast being a factor in the QB’s stats and success. We hear on and on about the a purgatory we had with Hutchinson, Stoerner, Magee and all the rest. The supporting cast was bad. Those guys never had a chance. The same can be said for the Browns whiffing on several top QB picks. What if Brock Purdy didn’t play for the 49ers roster? What if he played for a lesser team. Would he have been an instant success. Same for Dak during his rookie year. If you have a Mahomes you pay him what he is worth. If you have a Dak you pay him far less not more when it’s “his turn”. You also never agree to a no trade clause. Dak should have been traded years ago after being offered and refusing a fair contract.

There are multiple ways to win super bowls. If you have a Mahomes or Brady you can win with a little less talent in the supporting cast. If you have a good but not great QB. You need to surround him with superior talent and you can’t do that if you are paying him like a Mahomes or Brady or worse like the it’s my turn to set the market QB.

Keep the roster young by trading away vets that won’t accept a fair contract and when the occasional difference making free agent is available offer him what he is worth. If an Aaron Donald type comes along have the cap space to add the player. Don’t try to build a roster of comp picks.

The first 3 rounds are where most of the good players are. Try to have as many of those picks as you can.

The goal is to have as many exceptional players on your roster as possible. You achieve that by not overpaying your own. Trading those that want more than they are worth. Offer contracts earlier when they are more affordable. Put a premium in the first 3 rounds of the draft by trading later round draft picks for premium picks and grabbing the occasional difference making free agent when you have the chance.

You have more GM gumption than our current GM who has 35 year of experience.
Sad state of affairs..

 

[FLWarpigrpig]

Deadlines make deals - BAD DEALS

Contracts should be offered a year early at a fair price and if the player won’t sign he should be traded while he has value

QB contracts and the it’s his turn belief

This is ridiculous. So little consideration is given to the quality of the supporting cast being a factor in the QB’s stats and success. We hear on and on about the a purgatory we had with Hutchinson, Stoerner, Magee and all the rest. The supporting cast was bad. Those guys never had a chance. The same can be said for the Browns whiffing on several top QB picks. What if Brock Purdy didn’t play for the 49ers roster? What if he played for a lesser team. Would he have been an instant success. Same for Dak during his rookie year. If you have a Mahomes you pay him what he is worth. If you have a Dak you pay him far less not more when it’s “his turn”. You also never agree to a no trade clause. Dak should have been traded years ago after being offered and refusing a fair contract.

There are multiple ways to win super bowls. If you have a Mahomes or Brady you can win with a little less talent in the supporting cast. If you have a good but not great QB. You need to surround him with superior talent and you can’t do that if you are paying him like a Mahomes or Brady or worse like the it’s my turn to set the market QB.

Keep the roster young by trading away vets that won’t accept a fair contract and when the occasional difference making free agent is available offer him what he is worth. If an Aaron Donald type comes along have the cap space to add the player. Don’t try to build a roster of comp picks.

The first 3 rounds are where most of the good players are. Try to have as many of those picks as you can.

The goal is to have as many exceptional players on your roster as possible. You achieve that by not overpaying your own. Trading those that want more than they are worth. Offer contracts earlier when they are more affordable. Put a premium in the first 3 rounds of the draft by trading later round draft picks for premium picks and grabbing the occasional difference making free agent when you have the chance.

Great post, I would just add to stop paying players for the past and value them on what you believe their future is.

 

[Coogiguy03]

We can do all of this, but we have to find teams to accept the trades, do we trust this organization to capitalize on these picks we'd receive

 

[Coogiguy03]

Great post, I would just add to stop paying players for the past and value them on what you believe their future is.

this is exactly why I feel that contracts should be front loaded, hey you had a good year we're expecting that with this new deal you'll still be playing at a high level, THERE's your money!!! As the years go on, it seems that these players don't play at that same high level for whatever reason. Maybe they were playing well to get that big deal. As the contract goes on, instead of it getting higher at the end of the deal, it will be lower at the end making it more reasonable on the cap.



YES I know it's meant to be manipulated, but you're also pushing money down the road that you'll have to pay, why not just pay it early while the players still playing at a high level

 

[jazzcat22]

All easier said than done from a fans point of view.

 

[Dalmations202]

The system is jacked from the start. Players can't get paid on first contracts. Then they get a great lawyer and want to be paid. Always the same circle.

Skill players can't succeed because you don't have good lines. You get good lines, they want paid, so you pay them. Lines are good so skill players look good, so they want paid. You pay them or can't pay them because everyone else wanted paid.

It is a team sport, yet the lawyers these players hire are not interested in the TEAM. They are interested in their individual player and in the money they themselves can get.

The league needs to come up with a pay scheme that pays based up Performance, and not based upon how good a lawyer they can hire. Heck, they could allow coaching input, and team input into percentages after base for each game. EX: each player on the Oline gets a base, then the coaches get to vote on a percent and the rest of the linemen get to vote on how well each person played and how much of the linemen pie each one gets. Then if they want to complain about the money ---- complain with their teammates that didn't think they were getting the job done. Winning teams get XXXX and losing teams get YYYY.

Sorry, but it floors me how a guy not playing, or performing, or a team not performing gets paid like they are something. All the wrong people being paid, IMO.

This way you could be paid for your performance, and not for your name or for your lawyer/sports manager. I think it would keep players lots more hungry to perform -- which is all they really are anyway, entertainment performers.

 

[DandyDon52]

YES I know it's meant to be manipulated, but you're also pushing money down the road that you'll have to pay, why not just pay it early

This is a big part of the problem, it allows owners/GM's to pay more than they should for a player.
It makes the cap bigger than it should be for that year and some future years,then it all comes due,so then they extend etc again to
push some other money down the road and it is endless.

They need to stop allowing cap to be manipulated.
If a team doesnt have the money, then they dont have the money! No borrowing from the future.

Another problem is if a guy is a starting qb for a team, his salary should be changed to minimum of 10 mil per year.
Dak had to play 4 years as starter for less than 1 mil per year.
Purdy is playing for less than 1 mil per year.

This isnt right , if they start more than 3 games per year at qb, the team should have to pay them at a rate of 10 mil per year.
The same could be true for guys who wind up starting and are low round or undrafted, their pay should go up if
they start on regular basis.

Purdy has helped his team get to 2 championship games, and makes less than 1 mil a year, so that is just not fair at all.
If he won sb last year then gets hurt game 1 this year, career ending injury. and he never made any money!
Teams will abuse some players if they can, and at same time way over pay for other players who arent doing that well.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Deadlines make deals - BAD DEALS

Contracts should be offered a year early at a fair price and if the player won’t sign he should be traded while he has value

QB contracts and the it’s his turn belief

This is ridiculous. So little consideration is given to the quality of the supporting cast being a factor in the QB’s stats and success. We hear on and on about the a purgatory we had with Hutchinson, Stoerner, Magee and all the rest. The supporting cast was bad. Those guys never had a chance. The same can be said for the Browns whiffing on several top QB picks. What if Brock Purdy didn’t play for the 49ers roster? What if he played for a lesser team. Would he have been an instant success. Same for Dak during his rookie year. If you have a Mahomes you pay him what he is worth. If you have a Dak you pay him far less not more when it’s “his turn”. You also never agree to a no trade clause. Dak should have been traded years ago after being offered and refusing a fair contract.

There are multiple ways to win super bowls. If you have a Mahomes or Brady you can win with a little less talent in the supporting cast. If you have a good but not great QB. You need to surround him with superior talent and you can’t do that if you are paying him like a Mahomes or Brady or worse like the it’s my turn to set the market QB.

Keep the roster young by trading away vets that won’t accept a fair contract and when the occasional difference making free agent is available offer him what he is worth. If an Aaron Donald type comes along have the cap space to add the player. Don’t try to build a roster of comp picks.

The first 3 rounds are where most of the good players are. Try to have as many of those picks as you can.

The goal is to have as many exceptional players on your roster as possible. You achieve that by not overpaying your own. Trading those that want more than they are worth. Offer contracts earlier when they are more affordable. Put a premium in the first 3 rounds of the draft by trading later round draft picks for premium picks and grabbing the occasional difference making free agent when you have the chance.

well, there is this. and then there is Jerry's way. Who will bring the most Jersey sales. that's who I am signing to the larger contract. everything else is just a filler.

 

[Coogiguy03]

This is a big part of the problem, it allows owners/GM's to pay more than they should for a player.
It makes the cap bigger than it should be for that year and some future years,then it all comes due,so then they extend etc again to
push some other money down the road and it is endless.

They need to stop allowing cap to be manipulated.
If a team doesnt have the money, then they dont have the money! No borrowing from the future.

Another problem is if a guy is a starting qb for a team, his salary should be changed to minimum of 10 mil per year.
Dak had to play 4 years as starter for less than 1 mil per year.
Purdy is playing for less than 1 mil per year.

This isnt right , if they start more than 3 games per year at qb, the team should have to pay them at a rate of 10 mil per year.
The same could be true for guys who wind up starting and are low round or undrafted, their pay should go up if
they start on regular basis.

Purdy has helped his team get to 2 championship games, and makes less than 1 mil a year, so that is just not fair at all.
If he won sb last year then gets hurt game 1 this year, career ending injury. and he never made any money!
Teams will abuse some players if they can, and at same time way over pay for other players who arent doing that well.

I don't even have any words for this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, post of the day!!!!!! These players make far too much money, yes because of TV/betting etc is bringing the cap increases every year, but man you're right, some players aren't getting their fair share. It should be looked at in a different way to avoid what you're saying.

 

[KJJ]

We’ve reserved the 2nd round for TE’s and players with injuries and off the field issues.

 

[DallasEast]

This is a big part of the problem, it allows owners/GM's to pay more than they should for a player.
It makes the cap bigger than it should be for that year and some future years,then it all comes due,so then they extend etc again to
push some other money down the road and it is endless.

They need to stop allowing cap to be manipulated.
If a team doesnt have the money, then they dont have the money! No borrowing from the future.

Another problem is if a guy is a starting qb for a team, his salary should be changed to minimum of 10 mil per year.
Dak had to play 4 years as starter for less than 1 mil per year.
Purdy is playing for less than 1 mil per year.

This isnt right , if they start more than 3 games per year at qb, the team should have to pay them at a rate of 10 mil per year.
The same could be true for guys who wind up starting and are low round or undrafted, their pay should go up if
they start on regular basis.

Purdy has helped his team get to 2 championship games, and makes less than 1 mil a year, so that is just not fair at all.
If he won sb last year then gets hurt game 1 this year, career ending injury. and he never made any money!
Teams will abuse some players if they can, and at same time way over pay for other players who arent doing that well.

The salary cap was manufactured by the owners and players' union as a limitation on player spending, not an enhancement. The salary cap's annual size is dictated by total NFL revenue, derived from different sources (including broadcast rights revenue), and divided evenly between all 32 teams.

 

[FanofJerry]

Deadlines make deals - BAD DEALS

Contracts should be offered a year early at a fair price and if the player won’t sign he should be traded while he has value

QB contracts and the it’s his turn belief

This is ridiculous. So little consideration is given to the quality of the supporting cast being a factor in the QB’s stats and success. We hear on and on about the a purgatory we had with Hutchinson, Stoerner, Magee and all the rest. The supporting cast was bad. Those guys never had a chance. The same can be said for the Browns whiffing on several top QB picks. What if Brock Purdy didn’t play for the 49ers roster? What if he played for a lesser team. Would he have been an instant success. Same for Dak during his rookie year. If you have a Mahomes you pay him what he is worth. If you have a Dak you pay him far less not more when it’s “his turn”. You also never agree to a no trade clause. Dak should have been traded years ago after being offered and refusing a fair contract.

There are multiple ways to win super bowls. If you have a Mahomes or Brady you can win with a little less talent in the supporting cast. If you have a good but not great QB. You need to surround him with superior talent and you can’t do that if you are paying him like a Mahomes or Brady or worse like the it’s my turn to set the market QB.

Keep the roster young by trading away vets that won’t accept a fair contract and when the occasional difference making free agent is available offer him what he is worth. If an Aaron Donald type comes along have the cap space to add the player. Don’t try to build a roster of comp picks.

The first 3 rounds are where most of the good players are. Try to have as many of those picks as you can.

The goal is to have as many exceptional players on your roster as possible. You achieve that by not overpaying your own. Trading those that want more than they are worth. Offer contracts earlier when they are more affordable. Put a premium in the first 3 rounds of the draft by trading later round draft picks for premium picks and grabbing the occasional difference making free agent when you have the chance.

Same deal every day.

Only way you can move on from production Dak puts up is if his agent and he are being unreasonable.

Most Owners and FO's dont want egg all over their faces by letting decent QB's walk.

I think if the tide turns and owners start putting their foot down on QB contracts...you will see QB's walking and being successful on other teams...making the players previous owner look stupid while they are stuck with a struggling QB....causing the market to shoot right back up for QB's

Im skeptical teams have the patience to groom a kid for 2 or 3 years and let him walk when he looks like he is coming along. Its a tough decision. But the league isnt going to shift to power running games and fewer passing plays so rooks can be successful. Players are too big and fast and injuries will pile up trying to tackle running backs constantly. Its find a Michael Jordan at QB or pay up....or your direct competitor will pay up.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

We can do all of this, but we have to find teams to accept the trades, do we trust this organization to capitalize on these picks we'd receive

I trust the scouts to get the most out of more high round opportunities. They won't hit on all of them, but having more picks gives them more opportunities to go after BPA, rather than reaching for need.

I guarantee you that if you put Lamb, Parsons, and Dak on the trading block today, phones would be going crazy. They don't have to move them now, but if the right offer comes along, you jump all over it.

 

[Killerinstinct]

We can do all of this, but we have to find teams to accept the trades, do we trust this organization to capitalize on these picks we'd receive

I don’t think it would be that hard to find trade partners. There always seems to be some teams with a ton of cap space and a roster that needs improving.

The one thing this organization does well is draft. They don’t hit on every pick (some of them infuriate me) but I would say they are better than most.

 

[Killerinstinct]

Same deal every day.

Only way you can move on from production Dak puts up is if his agent and he are being unreasonable.

Most Owners and FO's dont want egg all over their faces by letting decent QB's walk.

I think if the tide turns and owners start putting their foot down on QB contracts...you will see QB's walking and being successful on other teams...making the players previous owner look stupid while they are stuck with a struggling QB....causing the market to shoot right back up for QB's

Im skeptical teams have the patience to groom a kid for 2 or 3 years and let him walk when he looks like he is coming along. Its a tough decision. But the league isnt going to shift to power running games and fewer passing plays so rooks can be successful. Players are too big and fast and injuries will pile up trying to tackle running backs constantly. Its find a Michael Jordan at QB or pay up....or your direct competitor will pay up.

They are being unreasonable and we’re during the last negotiations. Short term deal so he can get paid again soon with less ability to manipulate the cap. No trade clause. Better deal than Mahomes. It’s ridiculous! Should have offered him a contract years ago that paid him like a top 10 quarterback and when he refused they should have told him I hope you like the destination we trade you to.

 

[Verdict]

Deadlines make deals - BAD DEALS

Contracts should be offered a year early at a fair price and if the player won’t sign he should be traded while he has value

QB contracts and the it’s his turn belief

This is ridiculous. So little consideration is given to the quality of the supporting cast being a factor in the QB’s stats and success. We hear on and on about the a purgatory we had with Hutchinson, Stoerner, Magee and all the rest. The supporting cast was bad. Those guys never had a chance. The same can be said for the Browns whiffing on several top QB picks. What if Brock Purdy didn’t play for the 49ers roster? What if he played for a lesser team. Would he have been an instant success. Same for Dak during his rookie year. If you have a Mahomes you pay him what he is worth. If you have a Dak you pay him far less not more when it’s “his turn”. You also never agree to a no trade clause. Dak should have been traded years ago after being offered and refusing a fair contract.

There are multiple ways to win super bowls. If you have a Mahomes or Brady you can win with a little less talent in the supporting cast. If you have a good but not great QB. You need to surround him with superior talent and you can’t do that if you are paying him like a Mahomes or Brady or worse like the it’s my turn to set the market QB.

Keep the roster young by trading away vets that won’t accept a fair contract and when the occasional difference making free agent is available offer him what he is worth. If an Aaron Donald type comes along have the cap space to add the player. Don’t try to build a roster of comp picks.

The first 3 rounds are where most of the good players are. Try to have as many of those picks as you can.

The goal is to have as many exceptional players on your roster as possible. You achieve that by not overpaying your own. Trading those that want more than they are worth. Offer contracts earlier when they are more affordable. Put a premium in the first 3 rounds of the draft by trading later round draft picks for premium picks and grabbing the occasional difference making free agent when you have the chance.

There is a point with every QB (even the best QB in the league) that his cap number becomes such an albatross that you can’t win with that player. Overpaying a decent QB “great” money keeps you relevant but impairs your ability to win a SB.

At some point wise organizations will stop trying to find the best QB in the league and put together a team that can compete for SBs without having the best QB in the league.

 

[Coogiguy03]

I trust the scouts to get the most out of more high round opportunities. They won't hit on all of them, but having more picks gives them more opportunities to go after BPA, rather than reaching for need.

I guarantee you that if you put Lamb, Parsons, and Dak on the trading block today, phones would be going crazy. They don't have to move them now, but if the right offer comes along, you jump all over it.

what exactly is the right offer, knowing us we will get fleeced!!!! I've been a strong advocate like nobody's ever seen these last few months saying how I want the cowboys to trade back and get as many picks as they can. Make trades in whatever rounds you want, but get a few more picks!!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

I don’t think it would be that hard to find trade partners. There always seems to be some teams with a ton of cap space and a roster that needs improving.

The one thing this organization does well is draft. They don’t hit on every pick (some of them infuriate me) but I would say they are better than most.

I hear ya!!

 

[FanofJerry]

They are being unreasonable and we’re during the last negotiations. Short term deal so he can get paid again soon with less ability to manipulate the cap. No trade clause. Better deal than Mahomes. It’s ridiculous! Should have offered him a contract years ago that paid him like a top 10 quarterback and when he refused they should have told him I hope you like the destination we trade you to.

I think you do that this time. Last time he was doing good things, young and just played 4 years for cheap.

If he is being unreasonable I think you move on. Im Pro-Dak.

If the coaches, scouts, consultants say he isnt an issue and the flaws are overblown...I offer Dak to sign a long term deal at 55M that allows the FO to do math tricks easier to better the team for a few years. If Dak says no to 55M, longer years and no NTC...then I probably look elsewhere.