5 legit voids in the depth chart, but/and still only 3 conventionally-legit picks to fill those

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[Carter]

If they trade the extra third they picked up to move up in the 2nd to pick a one legged RB with 1 year production that they can get at 56 i might quit my fandom

 

[Hawkeye0202]

We could address RB, C and DT tonight......

WR and DE need young guys/backups to step up.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

If they trade the extra third they picked up to move up in the 2nd to pick a one legged RB with 1 year production that they can get at 56 i might quit my fandom

I don't see that......rumors start and take on a life of their own. I mean what GM would risk their job taking RB with issues you mentioned in 2nd round.

 

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I guess my follow-up question to my own OP would be...

Of those five positions, which one do fans think the next-man-up offers the strongest replacement... and so, you're really only trying to fill the void left by the guy's moving up from deeper in the depth chart.

Hoffman (C)?
Dowdle (RB)?
Tolbert (WR)?
Smith (1-T)?
or Williams (DE)?

Because, you might be able to back-fill that 2nd string slot with your later draft picks.

Sam Williams would be the one I feel most confidence about... and then, if I had to choose a second, it would be Rico Dowdle. So theoretically and if we completely dismiss free agency as an option after all, that leaves us needing to draft a C, a WR and a 1-T tonight.

 

[Carter]

I don't see that......rumors start and take on a life of their own. I mean what GM would risk their job taking RB with issues you mentioned in 2nd round.

the one that has a life long contract as GM because he can only fire himself

 

[visionary]

I don't see that......rumors start and take on a life of their own. I mean what GM would risk their job taking RB with issues you mentioned in 2nd round.

Yeah, no GM who could be fired would be stupid enough to do it. Now a GM with a lifetime job guarantee…….???? You bet he IS stupid enough

 

[exciter]

They need a center, depending on what the coaching staff really feels on Hoffman will determine where.
Plenty of RBs that can perform the expected function of the position in McCarthy’s pass first offense.
McCarthy has wanted to run a 12 personnel base for 2 seasons. It’s a 2 read and check down offense. Another receiver running decoy routes when CD and Ferg are the 1st and 2nd read 70% of the plays isn’t a must have priority.
Most of the scouting reports mentioned Mazi’s main issues being from when they tryed to 2 gap him. He had issues in Quinn’s 2 gap system. Zimmer runs a 1 gap with 1tech. He’s made scrub players… Blade, Noble look serviceable with it. They let Hankins walk. Obviously they’re going to ride or die with Mazi.
Armstrong was a nice role player but as much of a progress stopper as anything. Williams produced 5 sacks with only 300 snaps. Time to see what he can do with 600-700. They kept Wheat developing on the roster all last season. It’s time to give the kid who had 17 sacks in the SEC some snaps to see what he can do!

 

[EndGame]

Jerry has been known to tell a lie or two at draft time, or at minimum misdirect.

 

[Aven8]

Slater is Longhorn so of course she would love the Brooks pick.

 

[rambo2]

They could trade back again and gain another pick.

 

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They could trade back again and gain another pick.

Yeah, I think that might even be the goal just like it evidently was for round 1.

 

[rambo2]

Yeah, I think that might even be the goal just like it evidently was for round 1.

They got blessed in the 1st round with the Detroit overpay. The football gods were with them.

 

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They need a center, depending on what the coaching staff really feels on Hoffman will determine where.

There are adequate-level... not good, but adequate... centers still remaining in free agency.

Plenty of RBs that can perform the expected function of the position in McCarthy’s pass first offense.

Agreed.

McCarthy has wanted to run a 12 personnel base for 2 seasons. It’s a 2 read and check down offense. Another receiver running decoy routes when CD and Ferg are the 1st and 2nd read 70% of the plays isn’t a must have priority.

While I can agree, the other consideration is that a #2 receiver needs to rise up to take the place in 2025 of your 31 yr-old (as of Sep) whose in his final contract year. It makes all the sense in the world to draft someone now, given that rookie WRs don't have the best reputation for making a first-season impact.

Most of the scouting reports mentioned Mazi’s main issues being from when they tryed to 2 gap him. He had issues in Quinn’s 2 gap system. Zimmer runs a 1 gap with 1tech. He’s made scrub players… Blade, Noble look serviceable with it. They let Hankins walk. Obviously they’re going to ride or die with Mazi.

Well-taken, but that doesn't discount the fact that D-linemen especially get rotated during a game. Whatever snaps Mazi was getting last year in place of Hankins, you at least need to have someone you really like getting those snaps this year... conventionally-speaking, Carl Davis is probably not that guy.

Armstrong was a nice role player but as much of a progress stopper as anything. Williams produced 5 sacks with only 300 snaps. Time to see what he can do with 600-700. They kept Wheat developing on the roster all last season. It’s time to give the kid who had 17 sacks in the SEC some snaps to see what he can do!

That's fine, if we're saying "see what he can do"... in preseason. Want him to have serious competition, though, since he's self-evidently not forced himself into any more playing time than he's gotten.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I mean what GM would risk their job taking RB with issues you mentioned in 2nd round.

I hope you did that in purpose

 

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They got blessed in the 1st round with the Detroit overpay. The football gods were with them.

While true, they shared in the presser that they actually had 4 different offers on the table, and it sounded like at least 2 of the 4 would have allowed them to stay in the 1st round.

Point is well-taken, though, that willing partners can be easy or tough to find, and it's not a given that your next slot in the draft will be one where it's easy to find one... just depends on who is falling or what position group's talent inventory is evaporating, of course.

 

[exciter]

There are adequate-level... not good, but adequate... centers still remaining in free agency.


Agreed.


While I can agree, the other consideration is that a #2 receiver needs to rise up to take the place in 2025 of your 31 yr-old (as of Sep) whose in his final contract year. It makes all the sense in the world to draft someone now, given that rookie WRs don't have the best reputation for making a first-season impact.


Well-taken, but that doesn't discount the fact that D-linemen especially get rotated during a game. Whatever snaps Mazi was getting last year in place of Hankins, you at least need to have someone you really like getting those snaps this year... conventionally-speaking, Carl Davis is probably not that guy.


That's fine, if we're saying "see what he can do"... in preseason. Want him to have serious competition, though, since he's self-evidently not forced himself into any more playing time than he's gotten.

Tolbert! They’ve been developing him for 2 seasons. Time to let him step up!

Quinn was the one who liked the heavy rotations. If memory serves Zimmer ran a 3 series to 1 rotation with his backups. There were even a couple seasons they only carried 3 DTs and another season or 2 where it was debated. Davis was good enough to be a backup on Belicheck’s teams. I think he can handle that!

Again, Quinn seemed to prefer seniority with his snap counts. There’s no way Fowler and his 1 sack should have gotten more snaps than Williams. Goulston should have been getting more snaps and not a 3tech.
Team needs a legitimate 3tech that can play snaps at the 1tech much more than another 1tech unless they think a lot more of Fehoko than what’s been shown!

 

[NEODOG]

Did we lose playoffs die to inability to run the ball? Or stop the opposing team running?

Think the pick is a LB

 

[gimmesix]

If they trade the extra third they picked up to move up in the 2nd to pick a one legged RB with 1 year production that they can get at 56 i might quit my fandom

I see them trading up some but not at the cost of the third-rounder. We traded down in the first and "only" got a third-rounder (and had to give up a 2025 seventh-rounder to boot). And we easily won that trade. I'm thinking our second and fifth could be enough to get us slightly better positioning. If we want to trade up to the beginning of the round, that's different.

Honestly, I'd try to use a 2025 fourth if I were going to trade up since it looks like we're going to have lots of comp picks next year. Maybe give our second, a 2025 fourth and 2024 fifth and get a 2024 sixth in exchange, along with the earlier second-rounder.

 

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Tolbert! They’ve been developing him for 2 seasons. Time to let him step up!

Right... but... that's actually the opposite of a reason not to draft someone else who can compete for a job.

Davis was good enough to be a backup on Belicheck’s teams.

Davis was also outright released last August before being picked up by SEA for their practice squad... and then released there... and picked up for our practice squad. And he's 32 years old.

No, I'm not the least bit bashful about saying that the void left by Haskins represents a legit void that needs to be filled... or that Mazi's ascension represents a legit void that needs to be filled.

unless they think a lot more of Fehoko than what’s been shown

From what I understand, they do think a lot more of Fehoko... but then again, that may or may not be how Zimmer feels.