TRADED Cowboys trading for Titans LB Kenneth Murray Jr.

[Doomsday]

Cowboys are taking on Kenneth Murray’s $5.99 million salary and $7.4 million cap hit in 2025

They will take a $7.4 million CAP hit for this guy but won't spend $8 to $12 million to go get a good player. Make it make sense.

 

[thunderpimp91]

This is a good move, I like Sanborn better but yes getting 2 linebackers in the same day, most likely Kendricks is gone but there's a reason for that kendricks was very good and I would like him back here but he was brought in because he was zimmer's green dot wearing middle linebacker that can run his defense I guarantee these two guys were picked by eberflus you know the grocery list for some of the new coaches are being filled so they can help transition their scheme easily..

The good news is both these linebackers are strength in the run game they like to tackle and they're downhill which is also going to help the defensive line that Solomon Thomas is also pretty damn good in the run game so there's a scenario going on here they're looking at more about fixing the run D..

How do you say things like this and expect people to take you serious? Solomon Thomas has been one of the worst run defenders in football his entire career.

 

[gtb1943]

How do you say things like this and expect people to take you serious? Solomon Thomas has been one of the worst run defenders in football his entire career.

you heard of people who talk to hear themselves?
you also have people who write to read it themselves

 

[thunderpimp91]

Cowboys are taking on Kenneth Murray’s $5.99 million salary and $7.4 million cap hit in 2025

They will take a $7.4 million CAP hit for this guy but won't spend $8 to $12 million to go get a good player. Make it make sense.

Its all about the comp picks....Also have to consider that with a trade there is no signing bonus so the Cowboys get to keep their cash longer. Its pretty amazing how cheap the Cowboys are.

 

[visionary]

Cowboys are taking on Kenneth Murray’s $5.99 million salary and $7.4 million cap hit in 2025

They will take a $7.4 million CAP hit for this guy but won't spend $8 to $12 million to go get a good player. Make it make sense.

Exactly
Stupid stupid stupid FO

 

[visionary]

How do you say things like this and expect people to take you serious? Solomon Thomas has been one of the worst run defenders in football his entire career.

No one takes him seriously anyway

 

[jterrell]

I like this move and Dallas using late draft picks this way as they seem to collect them in bunches.
Murray was released because he was ovepaid but that certainly doesn't bother me here.
Its not like we'll use that cap on better players.

Murray is a good run stop guy and weak versus the pass. So was Kendricks.
That isn't a big negative here as this team cant stop the run and needs help there.

Probably a 2 down and goal linebacker. Better than what we had lining up today.

 

[gimmesix]

Looks like a good player. Has pass rush ability too. Covers well enough. Folks like to complain for the sake of complaining. This was a great get by the team. A Eberflus pick I'm sure. Do the fans understand what we are witnessing? It's not so much the Joneses pulling the trigger on these player acquisitions but The head coach, eberflus, with McClay. They identified who they wanted to fit the team scheme, and they are implementing it. I have no fault in that. I like all the moves. Everyone needs to stop listening to the whiners and go watch some actual tape. Even the Bills cb we got has alot of upside. He's just 23. A young pup. Sanborn has started games and had like 95 tackles last year if memory serves. The tape shows a good instinctful football player with a motor. So we may have gotten 2 starters for a bag of oranges essentially. Let's give the team some dang credit for this. Nothing much is lost if it fails. Love the effort by the team right now. Keep it going.

Make no mistake, they identified who they want who would come cheap. Let's not pretend that they wouldn't prefer an All-Pro to a player a team is willing to give away for peanuts. We have to hope that these players do better here or are at least serviceable, that our coaches can get the most out of them or improve on them in the draft to the extent that they are just depth.

 

[Beastsfromthenfceast]

The dumpster is almost empty Jerry , so you better act quick .

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Name another team that added more talent today. You can't.

More as in number of moves made? You probably are right. Quality of talent is a different story for sure.

 

[kskboys]

How do you say things like this and expect people to take you serious? Solomon Thomas has been one of the worst run defenders in football his entire career.

Well, you're one of the like 3 posters who take the time to grind through that mess.

 

[kskboys]

Cowboys are taking on Kenneth Murray’s $5.99 million salary and $7.4 million cap hit in 2025

They will take a $7.4 million CAP hit for this guy but won't spend $8 to $12 million to go get a good player. Make it make sense.

Not a problem:

Jerry is absolutely lost/terrible/pathetic when it comes to player evaluations and assessments. Soooo, what he does is look for players who were drafted in the 1st/2nd round and signs them. He has done zero evaluations as to why this guy has not worked out.

Yes, that is a very poor process for an NFL GM.

 

[blueblood70]

Make no mistake, they identified who they want who would come cheap. Let's not pretend that they wouldn't prefer an All-Pro to a player a team is willing to give away for peanuts. We have to hope that these players do better here or are at least serviceable, that our coaches can get the most out of them or improve on them in the draft to the extent that they are just depth.

Make no mistake!

the new coaching staff somebody wanted this guy and they got it,

now it is up to them to make it work...

You guys really think that Steven and Jerry are sitting up there and know who this guy is?

like literally just popped up in their brain we should go sign this guy.

no somebody suggested it they have a list and they're getting players, that can better fit their new scheme and implement it in camp to the existing players much like Hendrix did last year and Kendricks was a very good player make no mistake like Dante Fowler people called it cheap, but it was not cheap ,in the end it worked out., that Value not being cheap..

Some of y'all would be happier if we paid maximum prices for every move we made and only make 2 moves every offseason because you think that the money is the only thing that guarantees success, and that's not true in free agency all the time... Sometimes it's the value it's what you get out of the players and they have a pretty long list of successful bargain type free agents I've listed it on other places people forget that they brought over pieces like Brandon Aubrey ,Turpin and Butler, from other places they brought over Gilmore and cooks they brought over Dante Fowler Jason Peters. Do you remember Robert Quinn double digit sacks I mean sometimes these are band aids and they seem like they're being cheap but these guys actually played well..

Did you realize that one time hooker and Kearse were also free agents, and they became solid starters.

 

[nightrain]

True.

But we’ve had a few guys in the past who were bust but worked for Jerry.

Marc Colombo, Bigg Davis, Ken Hamlin, Rolando McClain, Aldon Smith, Laurent Robinson to name a few.

The talent is there. Coaching and scheme help

Some of those guys were studs before heading to Dallas.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Make no mistake!

the new coaching staff somebody wanted this guy and they got it,

now it is up to them to make it work...

You guys really think that Steven and Jerry are sitting up there and know who this guy is?

like literally just popped up in their brain we should go sign this guy.

no somebody suggested it they have a list and they're getting players, that can better fit their new scheme and implement it in camp to the existing players much like Hendrix did last year and Kendricks was a very good player make no mistake like Dante Fowler people called it cheap, but it was not cheap ,in the end it worked out., that Value not being cheap..

Some of y'all would be happier if we paid maximum prices for every move we made and only make 2 moves every offseason because you think that the money is the only thing that guarantees success, and that's not true in free agency all the time... Sometimes it's the value it's what you get out of the players and they have a pretty long list of successful bargain type free agents I've listed it on other places people forget that they brought over pieces like Brandon Aubrey ,Turpin and Butler, from other places they brought over Gilmore and cooks they brought over Dante Fowler Jason Peters. Do you remember Robert Quinn double digit sacks I mean sometimes these are band aids and they seem like they're being cheap but these guys actually played well..

Did you realize that one time hooker and Kearse were also free agents, and they became solid starters.

This is truly a horrible take.....Yes Stephen and Jerry know who these guys are....your GM is going to know about other players around the league. Even if they are not watching the film personally they are getting all the reports from scouts and coaches on these guys.

Secondly these are not the coaching staffs first picks. You're telling me that Solomon Thomas was the top guy this coaching staff wanted? You dont think they had 20 guys ahead of him on the list of interior players this FA season? You really think they are viewing Sanborn/Murray as the cream of the crop of what was available this offseason?

Even your list of player comparisons is wild....Robert Quinn had a great year in Dallas....but the also had around 60 career sacks before he arrived and they paid him $8M. He wasnt just some scrub they found in the bargain bin, he was a legitimate FA signing for the 2019 when the cap was significantly lower. We would LOOOOVE for the Cowboys to make this type of move this year and spend around 4% of the cap on a player in FA.

Similar situation with Fowler....this guy had 5 and 6 sacks in his years with Dallas as a situational rusher. Before he arrived he had 5 sacks with Atlanta and 45 for his career. Its ridiculous to think Dallas fixed him or got significantly more production out of him than we thought we would.

Aubrey/Turpin were having huge success outside of the NFL. Good pickups but they are nowhere comparable to what the Cowboys have been doing the last couple of offseasons. Gilmore was a trade, Cooks was a trade and they both were paid very well. You're literally just rambling off names that make no sense.

Lets also look at Tak McKinley, Noah Igbinoghene, Billy Price, Rashaan Evans, Gareon Conley, Jordan Phillips, Trey Lance, etc. are all former 1st/2nd round picks that we have taken fliers on that haven't worked out the last couple of years. These are probably closer to the FA moves the Cowboys have made so far going after guys like Murray, Turner, Elam, etc.

 

[Jarntt]

Cowboys are taking on Kenneth Murray’s $5.99 million salary and $7.4 million cap hit in 2025

They will take a $7.4 million CAP hit for this guy but won't spend $8 to $12 million to go get a good player. Make it make sense.

This (the cap hit) is the problem with Murray. He will start and while he isn't all that good we are a better team with him than without him. But his cap hit in 2025 will likely be higher than Greenlaw's year one cap hit. The problem isn't who we brought in to deepen the roster and fill out the depth chart. The problem is that we haven't moved the needle. We haven't gotten any better than we were at the end of last year. Yes, we have the draft still, but so do 31 other teams so that isn't necessarily something that will help us comparatively get better either. This team has just proven over and over that they have no clue how to build a roster. If they singed one stud player and then added all of these complimentary guys it would be a much different picture going into the draft. We have around $48M in cap space after these moves and that will go up around $10M once we sign Micah. Incompetence rules the day again.

 

[Jarntt]

This is truly a horrible take.....Yes Stephen and Jerry know who these guys are....your GM is going to know about other players around the league. Even if they are not watching the film personally they are getting all the reports from scouts and coaches on these guys.

I'm sorry, but I don't think there is any chance Jerry and/or Stephen knew any of these guys that we acquired this week a month ago. Maybe their names, but that's about it. There are 80 starting OL in the AFC. How many do you think Jerry and Stephen can name?

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm sorry, but I don't think there is any chance Jerry and/or Stephen knew any of these guys that we acquired this week a month ago. Maybe their names, but that's about it. There are 80 starting OL in the AFC. How many do you think Jerry and Stephen can name?

Thats not the point. At his age Jerry can probably barely rattle off all of his grandkids. The point is they've had months now to target the FA class and potential trade targets. Even if Jerry/Stephen are not sitting in on meetings actually breaking down film, which I agree they are most likely not, they are still in the meetings when scouts/coaches are discussing these players. This week is not the first time these guys learned the names Solomon Thomas or Kenneth Murray.

 

[fivetwos]

Rarely do I have anything decent to say about Jerry and his act, but this strategy isn’t the worst I’ve seen.

Clearly they are hoping a change of scenery etc for higher end talent makes the light go on. Including Mingo, they’ve brought in a handful of the same. If they hit on two of them it’s a home run.

Again, at least there appears to be some sort of plan or direction, and it’s better than adding guys like Joseph or Hankins off the couch. These guys are young at least.

Obviously they want to find their better players in the draft, and find depth otherwise. All fine, but the problem (other than anything Jones) is still twofold….the division is suddenly much better and the QB is now a statue.

 

[Jarntt]

Thats not the point. At his age Jerry can probably barely rattle off all of his grandkids. The point is they've had months now to target the FA class and potential trade targets. Even if Jerry/Stephen are not sitting in on meetings actually breaking down film, which I agree they are most likely not, they are still in the meetings when scouts/coaches are discussing these players. This week is not the first time these guys learned the names Solomon Thomas or Kenneth Murray.

I misunderstood your point, but I think you misunderstood the original point as well. I think the other posters point though, was that these are not Jerry and Stephen's opinions and that they really have no opinions of their own on them which is different than what happens with the GM of every other team, which I totally agree with. They may be in some of the meetings (I highly doubt all or even most of them), but I don't think they are doing any more than listening and giving the final OK or in Stephen's case a begrudging agreement to forego some of his inheritance.