The U.S.'s New 1,000 Satellite Anti-Nuke Defense System

[darthseinfeld]

Sounds great but in reality this just creates another arms race.

If we build a system that is capable of knocking out all incoming nuclear threats, our adversaries will see this as an offensive threat. If they can't attack us successfully, then we can attack them without concern for a counter attack. Mutually Assured Destruction is broken, and, our adversaries will immediately begin developing weapons systems to defeat the iron dome, if that's what it is called.

The next step in this process would be to develop intelligent delivery systems. China is supposedly already developing a system to put missiles in orbit which can "lurk" in space for years until they are activated for attack. The missiles would then use AI to identify targets and defeat defense systems.

And of course, China and Russia both already have anti-satellite missile systems capable of destroying US military satellites in orbit.

Technology advancements make weapons more effective, but that same technology makes counter-weaponry more effective too.

I suppose the argument is, we have no choice. Russia is developing, and supposedly has already deployed, hypersonic missiles. China has made advances too. Until we solve our geopolitical problems I suppose an arms race is the only option we have.

Isnt that pretty much what sunk SDI

 

[rags747]

Isnt that pretty much what sunk SDI

Was a good ruse to get our Eastern European friends to spend lots and lots of capital on something that we really could not afford either.

 

[sbark]

I’d venture laser intercepting tech buried in there, or soon will be

China will have it after they steal the tech, or its given to them

 

[nobody]

I wonder how large the Ozone hole was one thousand years ago, how about the daze of the Romans!

Since they didn't have Aquanet hairspray and millions of teen girls that used a can of it daily (like the 80's), I'm betting the Ozone was fine.

 

[Creeper]

Standing there with your arms down and your chin out is pretty stupid when facing enemies

You can put your hands up and chin down and still get kicked in the loins.

 

[Creeper]

People still believe what China and Russia claim?

Both countries already demonstrated their capabilities. I generally do not believe what Russia says about its military capabilities, they are known to exaggerate.

 

[zrinkill]

Both countries already demonstrated their capabilities.

No they have not

China does not try to take Taiwan because they do not want to prove they are a paper tiger.

Russia has already proven they are a paper tiger with Ukraine.

 

[gtb1943]

You can put your hands up and chin down and still get kicked in the loins.

so you think getting kicked in the shins is as bad as the knockout blow to the jaw?

 

[RS12]

Seem to remember Reagan wanting to do this 40 years ago.

 

[rags747]

No they have not

China does not try to take Taiwan because they do not want to prove they are a paper tiger.

Russia has already proven they are a paper tiger with Ukraine.

I’ll keep it quick and possibly avoid a ban.

China would be very tough in the SCS as it’s 100 miles off their coast. China could take that island in a week and we would still have no equipment or bodies there. Hypersonic missles would just love our big beautiful flattops if they were ever to arrive.

Russia has defeated all of NATO with one arm behind its back. It was stupid of us to provoke this war. Hopefully it will now be ending in the short term. Thx…

 

[zrinkill]

I’ll keep it quick and possibly avoid a ban.

China would be very tough in the SCS as it’s 100 miles off their coast. China could take that island in a week and we would still have no equipment or bodies there. Hypersonic missles would just love our big beautiful flattops if they were ever to arrive.

Russia has defeated all of NATO with one arm behind its back. It was stupid of us to provoke this war. Hopefully it will now be ending in the short term. Thx…

 

[gtb1943]

I’ll keep it quick and possibly avoid a ban.

China would be very tough in the SCS as it’s 100 miles off their coast. China could take that island in a week and we would still have no equipment or bodies there. Hypersonic missles would just love our big beautiful flattops if they were ever to arrive.

Russia has defeated all of NATO with one arm behind its back. It was stupid of us to provoke this war. Hopefully it will now be ending in the short term. Thx…

I am sitting here wondering what planet you are on; because its not this one

 

[Creeper]

No they have not

China does not try to take Taiwan because they do not want to prove they are a paper tiger.

Russia has already proven they are a paper tiger with Ukraine.

I was referring to anti-satellite weapons. Both Russia and China have demonstrated their weapons with success.

 

[gtb1943]

I was referring to anti-satellite weapons. Both Russia and China have demonstrated their weapons with success.

limited success on many attempts

do your research before making claims

 

[Creeper]

limited success on many attempts

do your research before making claims

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mi...ut-chinese-capability-knock-out-us-satellites

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/saltzman-china-anti-satellite-weapons-compounding-problem/

https://www.space.com/russia-anti-satellite-missile-test-first-of-its-kind

These are just a few of the many articles on the subject. There is no doubt that Russia and China are both capable of knocking out US targeting and surveillance satellites in orbit. I am surprised this isn't common knowledge since Russia has been testing its systems for years, including one test where it actually hit one of their own satellites. This story got a lot of airtime because the US complained about space debris from the satellite possibly interfering with US space missions.

 

[gtb1943]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mi...ut-chinese-capability-knock-out-us-satellites

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/saltzman-china-anti-satellite-weapons-compounding-problem/

https://www.space.com/russia-anti-satellite-missile-test-first-of-its-kind

These are just a few of the many articles on the subject. There is no doubt that Russia and China are both capable of knocking out US targeting and surveillance satellites in orbit. I am surprised this isn't common knowledge since Russia has been testing its systems for years, including one test where it actually hit one of their own satellites. This story got a lot of airtime because the US complained about space debris from the satellite possibly interfering with US space missions.

once again you are not looking hard enough; now I admit finding sources that actually give success rates is hard; since that is considered classified.
What I have been able to gather is that there is around 30-40% success rates if you regard significant degradation a success which most do. If you want total destruction it is less

The US has traditionally built our military satellites with system duplication and capability to operate after damage. Anti Satellite tests started in the early 70's and even then it was felt that the capability would increase over time. So the decision was made to make ours able to still function after a lot of damage. one reason ours are so expensive. Actually, probably the prime reason outside of the fact that all our military equipment is probably two or three times as expensive as it should be

 

[Flamma]

Mutually assured destruction is why nuclear powers don't nuke eachother. But what if one of them is coming up with a defense from nuclear weapons? Wouldn't the enemy be forced to attack at once? I would imagine neither side would try to come up with a defense that could trigger a war.

 

[gtb1943]

Mutually assured destruction is why nuclear powers don't nuke eachother. But what if one of them is coming up with a defense from nuclear weapons? Wouldn't the enemy be forced to attack at once? I would imagine neither side would try to come up with a defense that could trigger a war.

Bad thing is it only takes one crazy in charge to start one.

Of course everyone is researching ways to defend; human nature dude.

 

[rags747]

once again you are not looking hard enough; now I admit finding sources that actually give success rates is hard; since that is considered classified.
What I have been able to gather is that there is around 30-40% success rates if you regard significant degradation a success which most do. If you want total destruction it is less

The US has traditionally built our military satellites with system duplication and capability to operate after damage. Anti Satellite tests started in the early 70's and even then it was felt that the capability would increase over time. So the decision was made to make ours able to still function after a lot of damage. one reason ours are so expensive. Actually, probably the prime reason outside of the fact that all our military equipment is probably two or three times as expensive as it should be

As has recently been proven!

 

[Flamma]

Bad thing is it only takes one crazy in charge to start one.

Of course everyone is researching ways to defend; human nature dude.

I'm just saying. If I'm at a stand off with someone, and that someone can come up with something to stop me, I'm shooting them before they do it. It's just common sense. It is no longer mutually assured destruction.