WR is an overrated need

[phildadon86]

WR is an overrated need for this team.

CeeDee locked in as number 1.

Yes we don’t have a proven number 2, but we have 4 other guys making the roster: Tolbert, Turpin, Mingo, Flournoy. We technically used our 4th for Mingo who should be number two territory at this point in his career.

Now, one of these guys can develop into the number 2 (not Turpin who is a dangerous weapon). I can see Tolbert, Mingo and/or Flournoy taking a big leap this year. But we already have 5 guys at WR the team wants to give snaps to. The team def views WR as a high need per the 30 visits, but this doesn’t sit right with me given the above. Plus I left off Jalen Brooks bc he’s been atrocious IMO.

To me, CB is the most pressing need on this roster and leads me to question why Jahdae Barron isn’t a bigger rumor for us at 12 than someone like Golden. Barron would be able to own the slot and play outside if needed + adding another playmaker to our defense which was abysmal last season. How can we trust Bland/Diggs to be healthy? At this point it’s more likely one will be injured.

Trenches is always a need so there’s also that angle.

Finally, an elite TE like Warren might make even more sense than a WR in how it could help the run & pass O.

Am I tripping, or is WR an overrated need and we’d be just as good or better off going trenches, DB, or TE?

We have one weapon on the entire offense. You are suggesting keeping it that way?

God forbid Lamb goes down.

 

[Stash]

WR is an overrated need for this team.

CeeDee locked in as number 1.

Yes we don’t have a proven number 2, but we have 4 other guys making the roster: Tolbert, Turpin, Mingo, Flournoy. We technically used our 4th for Mingo who should be number two territory at this point in his career.

Now, one of these guys can develop into the number 2 (not Turpin who is a dangerous weapon). I can see Tolbert, Mingo and/or Flournoy taking a big leap this year. But we already have 5 guys at WR the team wants to give snaps to. The team def views WR as a high need per the 30 visits, but this doesn’t sit right with me given the above. Plus I left off Jalen Brooks bc he’s been atrocious IMO.

To me, CB is the most pressing need on this roster and leads me to question why Jahdae Barron isn’t a bigger rumor for us at 12 than someone like Golden. Barron would be able to own the slot and play outside if needed + adding another playmaker to our defense which was abysmal last season. How can we trust Bland/Diggs to be healthy? At this point it’s more likely one will be injured.

Trenches is always a need so there’s also that angle.

Finally, an elite TE like Warren might make even more sense than a WR in how it could help the run & pass O.

Am I tripping, or is WR an overrated need and we’d be just as good or better off going trenches, DB, or TE?

Why do you feel Flournoy is making this roster’?

 

[Sandyf]

If you have a dynamic running game then there are quite a few guys that will be good WR2. The Coach keeps saying they are going to run and run, and they are going to stop the run. Those are his two main issues to get done.

Now if we believe the Coach and not the media, then DL, RB, OL, and then WR are the top needs in that order.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

You mean besides QB?

Lol

 

[Mr_437]

It seems that playoff teams in recent years (without elite QBs) have 2 very good WRs.
Eagles
Lions
49ers
Etc..

TEs

 

[SHAMSzy]

We have one weapon on the entire offense. You are suggesting keeping it that way?

God forbid Lamb goes down.

Weapons can be RB/TE also.
The WRs we have besides Lamb are weapons. Turpin very dangerous, Tolbert is decent, Mingo/Flournoy look the part & we’ll see how they develop. Can add a vet WR in FA if needed like Allen/Lockett. We technically already spent our 4th on a WR, so if we go WR first round that means we spent our 1st/4th on WR when we were atrocious at running the ball & stopping the run.

If you have a dynamic running game then there are quite a few guys that will be good WR2. The Coach keeps saying they are going to run and run, and they are going to stop the run. Those are his two main issues to get done.

Now if we believe the Coach and not the media, then DL, RB, OL, and then WR are the top needs in that order.

Agree but CB above WR provided Diggs/Bland injury history & losing JLew .. day 1 we have 2 liabilities at CB. If we have liabilities in the secondary it will hurt our run defense as we’ve seen for decades.

 

[CCBoy]

Prediction 5: Offensive Rookie of the Year​

The 2025 NFL Draft is getting closer, and the Cowboys will make a splash with their first pick.

The Dallas Cowboys will select Tetairoa McMillan with the 12th pick of the 2025 NFL Draft.

This selection will allow the Cowboys to unlock the offense, and McMillan and CeeDee Lamb will complement one another perfectly.

The Cowboys will have two 1,000-yard receivers, one of whom will be Tetairoa McMillan. He will also make eight touchdown catches and run away with the award of offensive rookie of the year.

https://insidethestar.com/5-bold-predictions-for-the-dallas-cowboys-in-2025

This will lead Prescott to a 5,000 yard passing season.

 

[baltcowboy]

WR is the biggest need on this team

Yeah. A legit wide receiver that can crush one on one coverage and destroy a safety over the top would do wonders for the offense. It opens up CeeDee, the running game, and the lower level receivers we have on the team. Look at the Bengals offense if you need any proof.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Weapons can be RB/TE also.
The WRs we have besides Lamb are weapons. Turpin very dangerous, Tolbert is decent, Mingo/Flournoy look the part & we’ll see how they develop. Can add a vet WR in FA if needed like Allen/Lockett. We technically already spent our 4th on a WR, so if we go WR first round that means we spent our 1st/4th on WR when we were atrocious at running the ball & stopping the run.

Agree but CB above WR provided Diggs/Bland injury history & losing JLew .. day 1 we have 2 liabilities at CB. If we have liabilities in the secondary it will hurt our run defense as we’ve seen for decades.

Turpin is a weapon, but hes also a guy you're going to limit snaps for and need a to have on the field with a guy like Lamb who will dictate where teams roll coverage to. Tolbert is decent, but certainly not a weapon. Honestly I'm not sure a guy like Allen/Locket is much of an improvement over what we had a season ago. Both of those guys showed some serious signs of decline in 2025, and both are about to be 33 which tells me a rebound season isn't a great bet.

Also don't think that adding another legitimate WR can't help the run game. The more you can force a team to keep those safeties back and in coverage the easier it make it for your OL assignments.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

How fans overate the receivers on this team is hilarious. Turpin is a bit player and Tolbert isn’t good enough. You guys relying on Mingo to come good? lol

It seems like fans opposed to WR in round one desperately want a DT there. Zero percent chance the Cowboys take a DT in round one after spending a first round pick there two years ago and signing Osa to a massive deal. Zero percent. Round 2 DT is a possibility.

 

[jblaze2004]

You're not wrong, but we are one Lamb injury away from having zero legit weapons on offense.

This. We don't currently have a true number 2 wr. So if Ceedee lamb goes down we better hope we have a strong run game because this WR core will not get it done. I am hoping Mingo surprises me but as of right now he is no better than Tolbert.

 

[SHAMSzy]

How fans overate the receivers on this team is hilarious. Turpin is a bit player and Tolbert isn’t good enough. You guys relying on Mingo to come good? lol

It seems like fans opposed to WR in round one desperately want a DT there. Zero percent chance the Cowboys take a DT in round one after spending a first round pick there two years ago and signing Osa to a massive deal. Zero percent. Round 2 DT is a possibility.

I can do the same thing. You’re relying on Caelan Carson & Kaiir Elam to be good? It isn’t that we don’t need a WR, more pressing urgent needs & WR is more manageable than the others.

 

[Dalmations202]

How fans overate the receivers on this team is hilarious. Turpin is a bit player and Tolbert isn’t good enough. You guys relying on Mingo to come good? lol

It seems like fans opposed to WR in round one desperately want a DT there. Zero percent chance the Cowboys take a DT in round one after spending a first round pick there two years ago and signing Osa to a massive deal. Zero percent. Round 2 DT is a possibility.

I think I am one of them that you are talking about that wants a DT instead of a WR.

Here is my reasoning. They have a #1 WR that they paid a #1 pick for 4-5 years ago, and now have decided that they will give him big dollars to be that #1.
They gave a #3 for Tolbert, a #4 for Mingo, they just signed Paris Campbell who is about to hit his prime. They have Cropper, Brooks, and Flournoy that they may or may not be able to develop. They also really need a #2 WR -- not a #1. Draft a #1 WR and you end up having to pay him shortly and they aren't paying both CD and the other #1, so you are basically saying we are drafting CD replacement. Why do that unless you just think the new guy is a generational player....think Randy Moss. If not, then get the playmaker from RB or TE.

In the end, you still only have 5OL, 1QB, and 5 Skill players on the field on offense at any one time........Those 5 skill players can be RB, TE, or WR.....or any combination thereof. So far, I would say they have 1 of 5 in CD. So could it be a WR, yes, but it could just as easily be a RB, and increase the value of CD and the other WR with a running game.

Dallas has said they are going to get more physical, and they are not going to be so weak -- so they can impose their will instead of shrinking at the spotlight.

So if they are going to actually do what they are saying, they need to be strong running up the middle - and stopping the run, and they need to be able to power run the football for first downs at any time - imposing their will. OR they can keep getting punched in the mouth and keep trying to finesse the ball with a QB that while good isn't accurate.

The reason for DT is that is what Jimmy Johnson started with to build his defense, #1 overall pick 1991 Russell Maryland . Vince Wilfolk was the start for the NE defense. Ray Lewis for the Ravens. Sapp/Vea for the Buccaneers, Giants Dline, Randy White for the Cowboys, etc. When you can shut down the middle of the field, you make defending lots easier. Yes, they drafted Mazi a couple years ago, but so far he has busted.....will he produce now? If yes, awesome you have two guys to rotate. If no, then you need one. So drafting a 1T late in the first round is not out of the question.

IMO, the WR core will look much better with a better running game, and better blocking (health) by the OL. A more accurate QB might help as well.
To really improve the team though, you need to stop the run and make the other team one dimensional - where you can actually use the talent of a Micah Parsons instead of waste it.

 

[75boyz]

If all the evidence of the new coaching staff, press conferences publicly touting "physicality" and emphasis on run game then yes, the WR position could become a secondary priority to the 2 glaring weaknesses of the team.
Running and stopping the run.
The team needs to trade down, get 2 run stopping DTs within the first 4 rounds along with a RB.
Then, a WR.
WR comes in at 3rd in position of importance.
IF all the offseason moves/press is to be believed.

If not, then it's just more WRs and CBs and more of the same results.

jmo

 

[75boyz]

I think I am one of them that you are talking about that wants a DT instead of a WR.

Here is my reasoning. They have a #1 WR that they paid a #1 pick for 4-5 years ago, and now have decided that they will give him big dollars to be that #1.
They gave a #3 for Tolbert, a #4 for Mingo, they just signed Paris Campbell who is about to hit his prime. They have Cropper, Brooks, and Flournoy that they may or may not be able to develop. They also really need a #2 WR -- not a #1. Draft a #1 WR and you end up having to pay him shortly and they aren't paying both CD and the other #1, so you are basically saying we are drafting CD replacement. Why do that unless you just think the new guy is a generational player....think Randy Moss. If not, then get the playmaker from RB or TE.

In the end, you still only have 5OL, 1QB, and 5 Skill players on the field on offense at any one time........Those 5 skill players can be RB, TE, or WR.....or any combination thereof. So far, I would say they have 1 of 5 in CD. So could it be a WR, yes, but it could just as easily be a RB, and increase the value of CD and the other WR with a running game.

Dallas has said they are going to get more physical, and they are not going to be so weak -- so they can impose their will instead of shrinking at the spotlight.

So if they are going to actually do what they are saying, they need to be strong running up the middle - and stopping the run, and they need to be able to power run the football for first downs at any time - imposing their will. OR they can keep getting punched in the mouth and keep trying to finesse the ball with a QB that while good isn't accurate.

The reason for DT is that is what Jimmy Johnson started with to build his defense, #1 overall pick 1991 Russell Maryland . Vince Wilfolk was the start for the NE defense. Ray Lewis for the Ravens. Sapp/Vea for the Buccaneers, Giants Dline, Randy White for the Cowboys, etc. When you can shut down the middle of the field, you make defending lots easier. Yes, they drafted Mazi a couple years ago, but so far he has busted.....will he produce now? If yes, awesome you have two guys to rotate. If no, then you need one. So drafting a 1T late in the first round is not out of the question.

IMO, the WR core will look much better with a better running game, and better blocking (health) by the OL. A more accurate QB might help as well.
To really improve the team though, you need to stop the run and make the other team one dimensional - where you can actually use the talent of a Micah Parsons instead of waste it.

Exactly this.
I share this thinking as well.

 

[WillieBeamen]

I can do the same thing. You’re relying on Caelan Carson & Kaiir Elam to be good? It isn’t that we don’t need a WR, more pressing urgent needs & WR is more manageable than the others.

What more pressing urgent needs??

We need a corner because Diggs is hurt and will start the season on PUP? When he comes back, whoever we draft wont even be a top-2 corner on the team unless we kick Bland inside.

DT? We just signed Osa to an extension so we would be primarily looking for a 1T. Those can be found later in the draft.

TE? Laughable. We just spent a second round pick on a TE two years ago and Ferguson was a pro-bowler.

So yes, we could use upgrades at those spots.
But right now, our receivers outside of Ceedee are Jags.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I can do the same thing. You’re relying on Caelan Carson & Kaiir Elam to be good? It isn’t that we don’t need a WR, more pressing urgent needs & WR is more manageable than the others.

Fair point, but I also don't think that CBs are going to be as crucial to the teams success in a Matt Eberflus defense. Its a lot of zone coverage with safety help and only rushing 4 guys so LBs can help inside. Nots saying any JAG can just be thrown in there, but its a far lesser priority than when you had DQ in here and left those guys manned up half the time.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think I am one of them that you are talking about that wants a DT instead of a WR.

Here is my reasoning. They have a #1 WR that they paid a #1 pick for 4-5 years ago, and now have decided that they will give him big dollars to be that #1.
They gave a #3 for Tolbert, a #4 for Mingo, they just signed Paris Campbell who is about to hit his prime. They have Cropper, Brooks, and Flournoy that they may or may not be able to develop. They also really need a #2 WR -- not a #1. Draft a #1 WR and you end up having to pay him shortly and they aren't paying both CD and the other #1, so you are basically saying we are drafting CD replacement. Why do that unless you just think the new guy is a generational player....think Randy Moss. If not, then get the playmaker from RB or TE.

Just a few ideas I would throw back at you...

1) A rookie WR even if they do end up as a top WR is going to spend a couple of years developing as a #2. Some exceptions to that, but its still 90% accurate.
2) Just because you gave up draft picks for Mingo and Tolbert doesnt mean they have lived up to the picks.
3) Tolbert is a free agent next year so your top guy after Lamb could be gone soon unless they want to pay him
4) A rookie WR contract keeps a cheap WR around for 5 years. Lamb will be north of 30 by then and we are probably looking to either move on or get him to take less money to be the #2 guy.

 

[SHAMSzy]

What more pressing urgent needs??

We need a corner because Diggs is hurt and will start the season on PUP? When he comes back, whoever we draft wont even be a top-2 corner on the team unless we kick Bland inside.

DT? We just signed Osa to an extension so we would be primarily looking for a 1T. Those can be found later in the draft.

TE? Laughable. We just spent a second round pick on a TE two years ago and Ferguson was a pro-bowler.

So yes, we could use upgrades at those spots.
But right now, our receivers outside of Ceedee are Jags.

Do you realize there is a high likelihood Diggs isn’t going to be a reliable starter anymore? Do you know how bad teams are that have trash corners? You should if you’ve been a Cowboys fan over the years.

 

[QuestForSix]

WR is the biggest need of the team and it’s even remotely close. We are a Lamb injury away from being on par with the Toronto Argonauts, get real!