Group Chat: Dak's Recovery and QB 2 battle

[jazzcat22]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...picy-qb2-battle-between-joe-milton-will-grier

He says, what Dak said, if he had to play a game, he could.
I call BS. In another article it said, Dak says that, but most likely he could not.
I even seen another article, claiming he had a slight set back, and the tear is still not completely healed being attached to the bone. I need to try to find that one.

Walker is implying there may be a battle for QB 2, between Grier and Milton. I say it is not close. Grier was not as good as Rush, who many on here over rated. And he certainly was not beat the Trey Lance.
They need to bring in another QB for more competition.

But here it is for further discussion.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I can't believe some still think Lance was better than Rush.

You really think Jerry made that high profile move all by himself and paid Lance all that money to sit behind someone worse than him?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I remember what I saw from Grier and he looked better than Lance and Rush to me. I would not be shocked at all if Grier is a backup.

 

[75boyz]

Dak will be Dak. Case closed, lol

I see an almost identical set up as last year.
Grier beating out Milton the way Rush beat out Lance.

But my real concern lies in the quarterback coaching/developing.
Jeff Shimko, Schottys QB coach, does not possess the resume of skill at developing QBs to a modern NFL 2025 effective passing game.
So whether Grier or Milton, who's coaching 'em up?
And don't say Schotty.
He hasn't called plays in 2 years and he is not exactly known for innovative passing offense either.

Just thought I'd put this out there.

Cowboys!

 

[jazzcat22]

I remember what I saw from Grier and he looked better than Lance and Rush to me. I would not be shocked at all if Grier is a backup.

They game planned that for Grier to try to get a trade for him.
He was not all that great otherwise.

 

[jazzcat22]

I can't believe some still think Lance was better than Rush.

You really think Jerry made that high profile move all by himself and paid Lance all that money to sit behind someone worse than him?

I would have liked to seen him have the opportunity in regular season games to show the possibility.

 

[jazzcat22]

Dak will be Dak. Case closed, lol

I see an almost identical set up as last year.
Grier beating out Milton the way Rush beat out Lance.

But my real concern lies in the quarterback coaching/developing.
Jeff Shimko, Schottys QB coach, does not possess the resume of skill at developing QBs to a modern NFL 2025 effective passing game.
So whether Grier or Milton, who's coaching 'em up?
And don't say Schotty.
He hasn't called plays in 2 years and he is not exactly known for innovative passing offense either.

Just thought I'd put this out there.

Cowboys!

How do we know he is not known for innovative passing offense. He was working under MM's predictable offense. Which was based off of Moore's, which was based off of Linehan which was based off of Garrett.

A predictable passed down outdated offense since 2008.

Agree though, Dak will be Dak.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They game planned that for Grier to try to get a trade for him.
He was not all that great otherwise.

Well he was never playing with any good talent. Same as Lance. They typically gave Rush the better personnel to play with. That’s how it felt anyway.

 

[75boyz]

How do we know he is not known for innovative passing offense. He was working under MM's predictable offense. Which was based off of Moore's, which was based off of Linehan which was based off of Garrett.

A predictable passed down outdated offense since 2008.

Agree though, Dak will be Dak.

I'm sorry jazz.
I do not see Schottenheimer as some yet to be seen untapped Reid/McVay/Callahan/Payton type pass game developer based off all his 2 past decades worth of offenses.
Add the fact that his selection was a comfort hire so that the offense would NOT change much for Dak and remain the same. Or if anything, resemble more the 2016 Linehan version based off all the offseason press and roster moves thus far.

Just my opinion

P.S. Oh, my bad, Steve not Jeff Shimko.

 

[jazzcat22]

I'm sorry jazz.
I do not see Schottenheimer as some yet to be seen untapped Reid/McVay/Callahan/Payton type pass game developer based off all his 2 past decades worth of offenses.
Add the fact that his selection was a comfort hire so that the offense would NOT change much for Dak and remain the same. Or if anything, resemble more the 2016 Linehan version based off all the offseason press and roster moves thus far.

Just my opinion

P.S. Oh, my bad, Steve not Jeff Shimko.

I am not saying he will be one of those coaches. But when some of them got to be a HC, did anyone think they would be as successful as they have been.

When Norv Turner came here as OC replacing David Shula, an experienced OC. Turner was a WR coach, and look what happened.
All I am saying, is I will give the guy a chance.

Then again, look who they all had or have at QB.
Reid was considered a good HC but failed until he got Mahomes.

 

[thunderpimp91]

How do we know he is not known for innovative passing offense. He was working under MM's predictable offense. Which was based off of Moore's, which was based off of Linehan which was based off of Garrett.

A predictable passed down outdated offense since 2008.

Agree though, Dak will be Dak.

To be honest I think the back half of the year we saw Schottenheimers fingerprints all over the offense. Everything he has talked about this offseason is whats on tape for the majority of those games.

Run first approach? Yes
Run/Pass balanced formations? Yes
WR short splits? Yes
Increased motion? Yes
Movement on the OL? Yes

Not to say that he doesn't have some additional wrinkles up his sleeve or learned from some of the repetitive tendencies, but there was a significant evolution of the offense in 2024 and a lot of it aligns with Schottenheimers past offenses as what he discussed in his opening press conference.

 

[ShiningStar]

I am not saying he will be one of those coaches. But when some of them got to be a HC, did anyone think they would be as successful as they have been.

When Norv Turner came here as OC replacing David Shula, an experienced OC. Turner was a WR coach, and look what happened.
All I am saying, is I will give the guy a chance.

Then again, look who they all had or have at QB.
Reid was considered a good HC but failed until he got Mahomes.

perfect response.

no one knows, this isnt science.

 

[75boyz]

I am not saying he will be one of those coaches. But when some of them got to be a HC, did anyone think they would be as successful as they have been.

When Norv Turner came here as OC replacing David Shula, an experienced OC. Turner was a WR coach, and look what happened.
All I am saying, is I will give the guy a chance.

Then again, look who they all had or have at QB.
Reid was considered a good HC but failed until he got Mahomes.

Fair enough.
You believe there may be more to his passing game to see.
Based on past history, I dont.

Difference of opinions.
No worries.

 

[RS12]

You all know what I think of Dak. No reason to go over that again. However I find myself intrigued by Tommy Mellott out of Montana St. I would jump on him as UDFA for sure. Supposedly Sean McVay likes him FWIW so maybe there is something there.

 

[DallasEast]

I can't believe some still think Lance was better than Rush.

You really think Jerry made that high profile move all by himself and paid Lance all that money to sit behind someone worse than him?

Personally, I believe some are still thinking what Jerry Jones first thought. Since the news first broke about the transaction, it has been my opinion Jones assessed he was gambling trading for a first-round quality quarterback.

Unfortunately for him, Jones' gamble, I mean, trade never paid off. Forget what any of his coaches or scouts likely told him. Over time, I think Jones' own eyes convinced him Trey Lance was not the quarterback he thought he was. He would have done what he always does whenever he thinks he is right about anything--in this case, push for Lance into the backup role--if he had finally thought otherwise.

 

[plymkr]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...picy-qb2-battle-between-joe-milton-will-grier

He says, what Dak said, if he had to play a game, he could.
I call BS. In another article it said, Dak says that, but most likely he could not.
I even seen another article, claiming he had a slight set back, and the tear is still not completely healed being attached to the bone. I need to try to find that one.

Walker is implying there may be a battle for QB 2, between Grier and Milton. I say it is not close. Grier was not as good as Rush, who many on here over rated. And he certainly was not beat the Trey Lance.
They need to bring in another QB for more competition.

But here it is for further discussion.

So Dak had a setback? That’s not good. On the QB2 battle, I’m not sold on Grier and I’m very intrigued by Milton. I would love a vet backup to be signed to play QB2. IMO Milton and Grier are developmental guys right now. Milton beating out Grier or vise versa doesn’t fill me with confidence either one can be QB2. Milton and Grier beating out a veteran QB to get QB2 would be better. I was disappointed Flacco resigned with Cleveland. If Dak enters into this season still injured then we’re going to need a better QB2 than Grier or Milton, unless we get pleasantly surprised by either one.

 

[Whirlwin]

DART . Cowboy trade down in the first .trade up in the second. I just don’t believe he’ll be there that long. In my opinion, he’s the second third best quarterback of this year‘s draft I like him better than . Sanders

The kid from New England Milton , is going to surprise a lot of people . we need a potential starter, not a back up game manager.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

There has been nothing but bad reporting on Dak's hamstring injury because of major media like ESPN calling it a "9 month injury". This was NEVER the case and where they got that information from, nobody knows.

Recall Tyron Smith suffered the same injury early in training camp a few years ago and he returned to the field in December.

Given that Dak had the same surgery in mid-November, the recovery time for him to return to the field is...right about the time he said "if I had to play a game right now I could". And even if it was a bit more severe than Tyron's was; we are still a few months away from the start of camp.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

DART . Cowboy trade down in the first .trade up in the second. I just don’t believe he’ll be there that long. In my opinion, he’s the second third best quarterback of this year‘s draft I like him better than . Sanders

The kid from New England Milton , is going to surprise a lot of people . we need a potential starter, not a back up game manager.

This year's QB class is not good. Teams are going to overdraft prospects this year out of need and end up with new versions of Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky.

 

[rags747]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...picy-qb2-battle-between-joe-milton-will-grier

He says, what Dak said, if he had to play a game, he could.
I call BS. In another article it said, Dak says that, but most likely he could not.
I even seen another article, claiming he had a slight set back, and the tear is still not completely healed being attached to the bone. I need to try to find that one.

Walker is implying there may be a battle for QB 2, between Grier and Milton. I say it is not close. Grier was not as good as Rush, who many on here over rated. And he certainly was not beat the Trey Lance.
They need to bring in another QB for more competition.

But here it is for further discussion.

Grier definitely better than Rush, probably not as safe with the ball but at least he had an arm and mobility.