Pass Defense was elite potential!

[Cowboyny]

Washington is gonna come crashing back down to earth this season. Watch…..

We shall see, DC's have the entire offseason to study their QB and dissect his weaknesses.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yep, agreed. This would seem to be Eberflus's best alternative based on the personnel he's got.
Nice post.

Not sure of your suggestion's ultimate outcome but relying consistently on that standard 4-3 base and all the player limitations spells disaster yet again.

Yes, trying the same things won't work.

 

[Cowboyny]

I disagree LOL

Just kidding,

finally, a positive post, sort of, you might be right,

but I don't know what we're going to get from our corners because they're injured, I mean with Diggs and Butler slow to come back we're actually counting on a drafted player in revel also injured and coming back..

I mean we're also waiting on Overshown who's also a pressure guy that we need back that can also help stop the run, I think teams knowing this early because as it stands unless they bring back Gilmore we're playing with fire here not realizing you know who's covering who I mean right now we have drawn blands are only proven corner..

So that's going to be a big question mark coming out of camp into preseason we're going to find out updates on all these players on when they might come back and whatnot but I mean who are the other corners we got Elam and Carson I know they brought some undrafted free agents over and I think they have that guy named Troy Pride who looked promising maybe he'll get a shot but that's my point and our best players the best three in my opinion would be digs Butler and Revel are all coming off a knee injuries or whatever injuries I had they're all going to be working their way into shape so they're going to not only get back but are they going to be sharp?

So while your premise makes sense it might be the opposite they might test those corners because when they look over there and see guys name Elom and Carson they don't even bother looking over at Bland they're going to look to eat you remember last year the end of the year like I realized the pass rush will help the corners but I remember all those dudes rotating in I don't know that guy Booth and AO and all these other guys and they were just feasting on any of those guys coming in they were just look over there and go yeah that's where the ball is going I mean everybody knew it and that's where it was going...


So I think early on teams are going to test both areas like all teams should we're going to do that to our opponents I don't think they're just going to run the ball and stay away from our past rush until they see it it'll take a month before some of this starts to form an identity where teams can get enough film and figure out where they want to attack but I think our weaknesses at corner will make them test that as well early so I don't think they're just going to try to run the ball down our throat..

which by the way I'm pretty sure Eberflus is knows that's coming and is going to make sure they put the best packages together that they possibly can going into game one on that front 7 as they say you know looking at the middle of our defense and two to three linebackers whoever safety is going to come in and help I think he's going to have a good idea of how they can try to stop the run with the pieces we have. I know you don't like those dudes but we got some beef somebody's going to win those jobs somebody's going to be in the rotation in the middle of that defensive line it could be a surprise that's why right now all these opinions are just that...

So I think game plans are going to have to be developed by our schedule we haven't even seen the schedule yet I know we know the teams we might play but we don't know when we're playing them so we have a team that's better at running sure they'll probably run the ball more but if we have a team that's got a great set of wide receivers and a really good quarterback I guarantee they're going to be testing those corners...

Couple of comments:

-I have heard Revel will be ready for camp. Question is how slowly do they bring him along? Elam was brought in for that depth guy who has starter experience. Diggs/Butler are the ones who could take longer to return. A group of Revel, Bland, Elam, Carson isn't too bad and they may even add Gilmore to the group.

-Even without Overshown, they are loaded with pressure players. We have two double digit sacks players from last season in Parsons, Fowler. Many had EZ as a top 3 Edge rusher in a loaded class. This doesn't include players like Sam Williams, Kneeland, Turner who all have talent, just haven't put it together. The addition of Murray, who is a big athletic LB also is now in the mix.

They have the talent to become an elite pass defending unit and should get even better when both Diggs/Overshown return down the line. The biggest question is their run defense, can they get teams in obvious passing situations?

 

[Cowboyny]

If we can find a NT and a run stopping DE other side of Osa, those two edge rushers would be awesome.

I think Mazi could be either the 0 or 5T. Add another with that versatility and we could build a strong front.

You could use a Kneeland/Turner with Parsons to create that 5 man line.

 

[blueblood70]

Couple of comments:

-I have heard Revel will be ready for camp. Question is how slowly do they bring him along? Elam was brought in for that depth guy who has starter experience. Diggs/Butler are the ones who could take longer to return. A group of Revel, Bland, Elam, Carson isn't too bad and they may even add Gilmore to the group.

Well we're talking about as it stands now not potential if we're talking about potential all the other posts you've posted about the run defense and the run game on offense it's all premature this is a premature conversation because we don't know how these players are going to come along and I have no faith in Elim or Carson because Carson last year was like a piece of toast he just couldn't handle it so maybe he will be better but the maybe equals only potential the same with Elam had problems in Buffalo if they don't run the type of defense that suits him which I believe is more zone not man and I don't remember everything people have been writing but I think they plan on playing a lot of man press that's not his game.. And then you have a rookie not only coming off a injury but will he be what they hope he'll be there's way too many???

We're just having a discussion here i'm glad you're being positive I can see this is stacking up a lot like Dan Quinn's defense except for it's not Dan Quinn's defense therefore I think that Matte defense will also take into account the run defense whether you think so or not some of these dudes are going to workout so the truth lies somewhere in between for all of us having these debates we just need to see it not just camp somewhat in preseason games but this is all going to be what the roster looks like at cut down but game one will start to tell the truth there is the only place for these debates to see who was right and who was wrong......

I mean that's pretty much the whole roster people think we don't have a really good wide receiver2 but for me I think Tober has done enough each year getting a little better that he might be the guy one of these guys we brought in in the offseason might be good enough to be WR2..

I mean I've heard some positive feedback from the undrafted kid from Oregon and I've also been looking at some of these defensive tackles there's a lot of positive feedback people think we didn't address the run game but looking at videos and looking at this right now how is it not better than last year jaden blue is basically Tony Pollard with the potential to meet Jamir Gibbs he alone makes this running back room look better but the fact is they brought in two free agents one of them probably will make the team could be pretty good probably better than Zeke and Mafa looks like a solid guy that you can hand the ball to as much as you'd like he may only give you 4 yards per carry but he's steady enough you can have thunder and lightning and then the offensive line needs to come together so yeah these are all? But people are looking at him from different angles..

And that's why we're debating no one's wrong no one's right you can think you are and I can think I am but it will be worked out in September through February that's where it all shows up... Good the bad and ugly will be on display....

 

[Cowboyny]

Well we're talking about as it stands now not potential if we're talking about potential all the other posts you've posted about the run defense and the run game on offense it's all premature this is a premature conversation because we don't know how these players are going to come along and I have no faith in Elim or Carson because Carson last year was like a piece of toast he just couldn't handle it so maybe he will be better but the maybe equals only potential the same with Elam had problems in Buffalo if they don't run the type of defense that suits him which I believe is more zone not man and I don't remember everything people have been writing but I think they plan on playing a lot of man press that's not his game.. And then you have a rookie not only coming off a injury but will he be what they hope he'll be there's way too many???

We're just having a discussion here i'm glad you're being positive I can see this is stacking up a lot like Dan Quinn's defense except for it's not Dan Quinn's defense therefore I think that Matte defense will also take into account the run defense whether you think so or not some of these dudes are going to workout so the truth lies somewhere in between for all of us having these debates we just need to see it not just camp somewhat in preseason games but this is all going to be what the roster looks like at cut down but game one will start to tell the truth there is the only place for these debates to see who was right and who was wrong......

I mean that's pretty much the whole roster people think we don't have a really good wide receiver2 but for me I think Tober has done enough each year getting a little better that he might be the guy one of these guys we brought in in the offseason might be good enough to be WR2..

I mean I've heard some positive feedback from the undrafted kid from Oregon and I've also been looking at some of these defensive tackles there's a lot of positive feedback people think we didn't address the run game but looking at videos and looking at this right now how is it not better than last year jaden blue is basically Tony Pollard with the potential to meet Jamir Gibbs he alone makes this running back room look better but the fact is they brought in two free agents one of them probably will make the team could be pretty good probably better than Zeke and Mafa looks like a solid guy that you can hand the ball to as much as you'd like he may only give you 4 yards per carry but he's steady enough you can have thunder and lightning and then the offensive line needs to come together so yeah these are all? But people are looking at him from different angles..

And that's why we're debating no one's wrong no one's right you can think you are and I can think I am but it will be worked out in September through February that's where it all shows up... Good the bad and ugly will be on display....

On paper right now, this doesn't include players potential nor schematic adjustments, but on talent alone, this roster has clear holes:

-There is a reason why they wanted to take a high receiver and continue to search for one, that don't view Jalen Tolbert as the answer. He is headed into his contract year, yet you don't hear anything from the front office about resigning him like we hear about Tyler, Bland & Ferguson.

-We read the same things about Elam being better as a press corner that he just didn't fit well with the Bills zone coverage scheme. Eberflus started to play more man with Chicago and he has to build this defense around their strengths which lie more with press then it does in zone. Zimmer figured that out as the season progressed. We just don't know how Elam will perform at this juncture.

-As for RB, they view Blue as their Pollard/Felix/Randle type of change of pace, explosive back. Question is, who ultimately takes on the main running back role? As it stands right now there is a 3 man race between Williams (favorite), Sanders and the Clemson back just drafted.

-Tackle position is another problem area, both struggled badly in pass protection. Guyton was benched multiple times for penalties and struggled staying healthy.

 

[jazzcat22]

Chubb the same as Williams? Slow the roll!!! Williams is a nice comp back, Chubb is beyond beast. If he can come back from injury in 2023, he's a stud.

At this point they are both the same to me.
Trying to prove they are healthy. Looking to make a team.

 

[GINeric]

And the offense can't consistently fall behind teams

Well it's hard not to fall behind teams when your defense is getting gashed on the ground and the clock continues to roll. You know what else would help the offense keep from falling behind?

A CONSISTENT running game and more than one wide receiver who is capable of getting open on a consistent basis.
Hopefully we have effectively addressed these issues up front on both sides of the ball.

Unfortunately we still only have ONE wide receiver....

Last but certainly not least..... you know what else would REALLY really help our offense from falling behind? NOT LEADING THE LEAGUE IN TEAM PENALTIES like we have for three or more consecutive seasons.

Show me an effective offense on a team leading the NFL in penalties. They don't exist.....

 

[baltcowboy]

We shall see, DC's have the entire offseason to study their QB and dissect his weaknesses.

I don’t think he will be their problem. Jaylon will play well. I just don’t think they have a good enough run game or defense to beat the top teams.

 

[blueblood70]

On paper right now, this doesn't include players potential nor schematic adjustments, but on talent alone, this roster has clear holes:

-There is a reason why they wanted to take a high receiver and continue to search for one, that don't view Jalen Tolbert as the answer. He is headed into his contract year, yet you don't hear anything from the front office about resigning him like we hear about Tyler, Bland & Ferguson.

-We read the same things about Elam being better as a press corner that he just didn't fit well with the Bills zone coverage scheme. Eberflus started to play more man with Chicago and he has to build this defense around their strengths which lie more with press then it does in zone. Zimmer figured that out as the season progressed. We just don't know how Elam will perform at this juncture.

-As for RB, they view Blue as their Pollard/Felix/Randle type of change of pace, explosive back. Question is, who ultimately takes on the main running back role? As it stands right now there is a 3 man race between Williams (favorite), Sanders and the Clemson back just drafted.

-Tackle position is another problem area, both struggled badly in pass protection. Guyton was benched multiple times for penalties and struggled staying healthy.

you act like you're in their head if that was true then why didn't they take Matthew Golden at 12 or moved down and got him??

green Bay took Matthew Golden and Savion Williams with some of us were high on I think he's a TCU product in the first and 3rd rounds.. they were there if the Cowboys wanted a wide receiver and they thought it was that bad they would have filled it and that's why I'm saying I think they got that guy from Oregon because he looks like he has potential that they're looking for..

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and I've said this over and over Tolbert had as good as stats as Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper,. cooper kupp Brandon Cooks and Deebos Samuels and Michael Gallup.. you know those names I bet somebody wanted some of those names here without looking at the fact that all those players are on a decline and Tolbert is on more of a slow but on an upside not a decline.. So the more people around here that want to dismiss Tolbert and the fact that he's been getting better every year and had at least as good or better numbers than all these names we just mentioned you guys want to bring one of those guys in and yet Tolbert and I realized he's not on their level when they were at their peak but right now are they better than Tolbert and I'm not sure you can answer that question... But they were really serious they would have got one of those guys in the draft I mean there were better players out there than waiting till the undrafted guys came and I'm also I'm telling you the Oregon kid they are high on him and they're not just saying it I don't want to be wrong but there are a lot of people out there that say he might have some of that it factor he might be perfect for this offense...​

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Sitting here telling me you know for a fact that Keenan Allen or Amari Cooper are better than Tolbert that they're literally are gonna have a great year we're gonna have a better year than like say 700 yards and seven touchdowns because it they didn't do it last year..​

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So I'm not sure why they didn't go get a young guy in the draft if that was truly something they were concerned about they would have done it I know they can fall back on one of these other guys but I'm not sure one of these other guys are better than a combination of Turpin and Tolbert but If they truly become concerned in camp or going into the second preseason game that we do need to go out and get someone there might be a better option at cut down somebody gonna release a better player than the ones we have options at right now that we can give a 5th rounder for or something like that.. Or like Deandre Hopkins was a few years back just flat out released by the Cardinals I mean a guy like him gets dropped to somebody in his wheelhouse so we could just pick him right up..​

I'm not worried about the run game or the running back room ,I believe we have the players to make a very good committee they'll figure out which ones stick best.. I think the run game is better just by scheme just by what they're going to do with the offensive line and they have enough bodies to pick a good rotation in my opinion we're better than last year in the run game before I even see a snap...

 

[Cowboyny]

you act like you're in their head if that was true then why didn't they take Matthew Golden at 12 or moved down and got him??

green Bay took Matthew Golden and Savion Williams with some of us were high on I think he's a TCU product in the first and 3rd rounds.. they were there if the Cowboys wanted a wide receiver and they thought it was that bad they would have filled it and that's why I'm saying I think they got that guy from Oregon because he looks like he has potential that they're looking for..

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and I've said this over and over Tolbert had as good as stats as Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper,. cooper kupp Brandon Cooks and Deebos Samuels and Michael Gallup.. you know those names I bet somebody wanted some of those names here without looking at the fact that all those players are on a decline and Tolbert is on more of a slow but on an upside not a decline.. So the more people around here that want to dismiss Tolbert and the fact that he's been getting better every year and had at least as good or better numbers than all these names we just mentioned you guys want to bring one of those guys in and yet Tolbert and I realized he's not on their level when they were at their peak but right now are they better than Tolbert and I'm not sure you can answer that question... But they were really serious they would have got one of those guys in the draft I mean there were better players out there than waiting till the undrafted guys came and I'm also I'm telling you the Oregon kid they are high on him and they're not just saying it I don't want to be wrong but there are a lot of people out there that say he might have some of that it factor he might be perfect for this offense...​

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Sitting here telling me you know for a fact that Keenan Allen or Amari Cooper are better than Tolbert that they're literally are gonna have a great year we're gonna have a better year than like say 700 yards and seven touchdowns because it they didn't do it last year..​

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So I'm not sure why they didn't go get a young guy in the draft if that was truly something they were concerned about they would have done it I know they can fall back on one of these other guys but I'm not sure one of these other guys are better than a combination of Turpin and Tolbert but If they truly become concerned in camp or going into the second preseason game that we do need to go out and get someone there might be a better option at cut down somebody gonna release a better player than the ones we have options at right now that we can give a 5th rounder for or something like that.. Or like Deandre Hopkins was a few years back just flat out released by the Cardinals I mean a guy like him gets dropped to somebody in his wheelhouse so we could just pick him right up..​

I'm not worried about the run game or the running back room ,I believe we have the players to make a very good committee they'll figure out which ones stick best.. I think the run game is better just by scheme just by what they're going to do with the offensive line and they have enough bodies to pick a good rotation in my opinion we're better than last year in the run game before I even see a snap...

It came out they were taking T-Mac at 12 if he fell. Golden was never considered a top 15 pick until he ran that 40 time and many thought he was a reach at 12. Savion Williams was being projected as a RB and project WR. They tried to sign Cooper Kupp in fa and were involved with trading for Pickens. How much more evidence do you need that they aren't sold on Tolbert? He is a #3 at best where Mingo is probably more valued inside their building.

 

[Cowboyny]

I don’t think he will be their problem. Jaylon will play well. I just don’t think they have a good enough run game or defense to beat the top teams.

Their formula worked last yr cause they went on long, time consuming drives like Dak in his rookie season. His legs played a hug part in extending drives, take that away and force him to read coverages.

 

[kskboys]

I think Mazi could be either the 0 or 5T. Add another with that versatility and we could build a strong front.

You could use a Kneeland/Turner with Parsons to create that 5 man line.

I think Mazi should be cut.

 

[kskboys]

At this point they are both the same to me.
Trying to prove they are healthy. Looking to make a team.

They are not close.

 

[jazzcat22]

They are not close.

It doesn’t really matter though does it. One is here one is not.

 

[Flamma]

Washington is gonna come crashing back down to earth this season. Watch…..

Washington never left the earth. They were a paper tiger last year. I'm worried that they're going to get better this year.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think Mazi should be cut.

He did play much better in yr 2, but has to play more consistent. After 2 years, still too early to cut bait. Tom Landry had that 3 yr rule, this year is make or break for him. Same goes for Sam Williams.

 

[Kwyn]

I beg to differ. You dont stop the run your pass rush becomes ineffective

If you can’t stop the pass, you won’t need a run defense.

Lol

You need both!

 

[deerhunter11]

if the run defense is not effective then it won't matter as much. we will be in a lot of 2nd and 3rd and short situations.the run defense is key

The nose tackle Jay Toia is a load, Dallas may have found a good one technique in the 7th round that can collapse the pocket and stop the run.

 

[deerhunter11]

Don't forget Payton. He's going to produce more here because he doesn't have to be THE guy, just one in the rotation.

Check out some film on Jay Toia the one technique this guy will help this defense, these D ends and LB'S are going to feast with this guy at nose tackle.He pushes the OLine into the backfield.