Can We Now Say It Was Jimmy Johnson?

[fivetwos]

He did not actually join the Cowboys till 92 and yes they had his rights

Right. Also Walker wasn’t on those winning 90s teams, and was drafted by Landry in the same manner as Hennings with the future in mind, but Walker certainly ended up playing a key role. Just saying that neither shouldn’t not be mentioned as being in the cupboard when Jimmy got here.

Coach was starting to have some bad drafts, and that was his eventual downfall, but he deserves a little credit for some of the guys that were key to those phenomenal squads. That’s all.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

"Now"?

Yes but we all knew when it was going down who the artist was drawing that picture.

 

[Whirlwin]

Yes, it was Jimmy Johnson. That was clear when Barry Switzer was the head coach.

How was that being clear. The team was in disarray, especially Troy Aikman that Jimmy left. Barry Switzer did a phenomenal job getting that ring.

 

[Whirlwin]

Love Jimmy but he was the Biggest Baby that the NFL has ever seen. Psychology degree and he couldn’t even control his own emotions. Flat left his wife and his relationship with his sons was totally non existent. Great guy and father!

I remember the quote I’m divorced during football season

 

[zrinkill]

Right. Also Walker wasn’t on those winning 90s teams, and was drafted by Landry in the same manner as Hennings with the future in mind, but Walker certainly ended up playing a key role. Just saying that neither shouldn’t not be mentioned as being in the cupboard when Jimmy got here.

Coach was starting to have some bad drafts, and that was his eventual downfall, but he deserves a little credit for some of the guys that were key to those phenomenal squads. That’s all.

I love Coach Landry ...... the man created defenses and changed offences forever

 

[fivetwos]

I didn't like it at all at the time, but looking back, it makes sense. And we did get a nice haul for him, a 1,2,3.

I just didn’t understand it. I was fully sold on Aikman as a slam dunk #1 overall to the point where that’s the only time when I can admit I was actively rooting against the team. They almost blew it in Cleveland.

Jimmy admitted he was considering Mandarich even at one, but likely would have taken him at two. Oh my.

I recall reading in Pro Football Weekly (imagine that) that dealing Walsh to KC for Derrick Thomas was on the table. That was the one I wanted, but again, it worked out.

 

[panchucko]

82 years, 6 months, 23 days.

does he still have the mind of a 40 year old

 

[Montanalo]

Jimmy Johnson's record with the Miami Dolphins was 36 wins/28 losses over 4 seasons from 1996-1999. Durng that time, his post season record of 2 wins/3 losses.

His record with the Miami Dolphins was not bad but, it certainly did not reach the lofty heights reached with the Cowboys.

By comparison, Johnson's record with the Miami Hurricanes was 52/9 with 1 national championship, and two number 2 finishes. Outstanding by any measure.

Johnson's success with the Cowboys was aided by three things: he was a great coach with a great staff, there was no salary cap and Jerry Jones had deep pockets.

Johnson would have still been successful with Cowboys without Jones. Would he still won 2 SB and set up a third. Maybe, maybe not.

Conversely, I truly believe Dallas would not have near as successful without Johnson.

I do think the past 30 years lack of playoff success rests squarely with Jones and Jones alone.

In other words, Jerry needed Jimmy a lot more than Jimmy needed Jerry.

 

[DallasEast]

 

[Coogiguy03]

I think you may be on to something.

Larry Johnson could come to this team, nothing would change!!! Grand-ma-ma

 

[Kwyn]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

This is a unique hot take for sure

 

[kskboys]

Jimmy Johnson's record with the Miami Dolphins was 36 wins/28 losses over 4 seasons from 1996-1999. Durng that time, his post season record of 2 wins/3 losses.

His record with the Miami Dolphins was not bad but, it certainly did not reach the lofty heights reached with the Cowboys.

By comparison, Johnson's record with the Miami Hurricanes was 52/9 with 1 national championship, and two number 2 finishes. Outstanding by any measure.

Johnson's success with the Cowboys was aided by three things: he was a great coach with a great staff, there was no salary cap and Jerry Jones had deep pockets.

Johnson would have still been successful with Cowboys without Jones. Would he still won 2 SB and set up a third. Maybe, maybe not.

Conversely, I truly believe Dallas would not have near as successful without Johnson.

I do think the past 30 years lack of playoff success rests squarely with Jones and Jones alone.

In other words, Jerry needed Jimmy a lot more than Jimmy needed Jerry.

If they'd have let him trade off a fading Marino, Jimmy might well have built a juggernaut there. Gotta look at everything, not just records.

What if the Cowboys owner had not let him trade off Walker? Think about it.

 

[Montanalo]

If they'd have let him trade off a fading Marino, Jimmy might well have built a juggernaut there. Gotta look at everything, not just records.

What if the Cowboys owner had not let him trade off Walker? Think about it.

You're right, the Walker trade facilitated an unprecedented turnaround in Dallas and laid the foundation for the SB runs.

Can't comment on Marino... I didn't really recall Johnson wanting to trade him.

 

[fivetwos]

Jimmy Johnson's record with the Miami Dolphins was 36 wins/28 losses over 4 seasons from 1996-1999. Durng that time, his post season record of 2 wins/3 losses.

His record with the Miami Dolphins was not bad but, it certainly did not reach the lofty heights reached with the Cowboys.

By comparison, Johnson's record with the Miami Hurricanes was 52/9 with 1 national championship, and two number 2 finishes. Outstanding by any measure.

Johnson's success with the Cowboys was aided by three things: he was a great coach with a great staff, there was no salary cap and Jerry Jones had deep pockets.

Johnson would have still been successful with Cowboys without Jones. Would he still won 2 SB and set up a third. Maybe, maybe not.

Conversely, I truly believe Dallas would not have near as successful without Johnson.

I do think the past 30 years lack of playoff success rests squarely with Jones and Jones alone.

In other words, Jerry needed Jimmy a lot more than Jimmy needed Jerry.

Good stuff.

Jimmy wasn’t without flaw in Dallas but did better in Miami than some want to make it sound. I lived there during that period and was friends with some die hards that knew their football, and I remember it all well.

Looking back, a good comparison might be what Parcells did in Dallas. While there were no championships, he certainly got them pointed in the right direction, and then for one reason or another….time was up.

If when Jimmy took the Miami job he had the first pick in the draft in a year when there was a franchise QB coming out, I’d bet he would have gotten a ring there as well.

Being good isn’t always enough. Aikman was in his lap in Dallas and that was the difference.

 

[fivetwos]

If they'd have let him trade off a fading Marino, Jimmy might well have built a juggernaut there. Gotta look at everything, not just records.

What if the Cowboys owner had not let him trade off Walker? Think about it.

Yeah I believe that’s accurate. Don’t know if he wanted to trade him vs encouraged retirement, but he knew he was cooked and didn’t want him as his QB.

He said the opposite publicly, and Jimmy was really bad at seeming sincere when toeing the company line to the media. The fans and the owner were fine with Marino, and him and his passing records and zero rings were going out on their own terms.

Not sure what the alternative would have been, but like Parcells said….need has to meet availability. Can’t just run down to the Texaco and get yourself a quarterback.

 

[pansophy]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

Had Johnson had the same success at Miami it would be obvious to everyone. IMO they were both better together than apart. If Jerry sold the team instead and Johnson stayed behind for a decade we'd probably be saying we need Jerry's willingness to take risks and spend money when we need to.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

Always was Jimmy.

 

[FoxF]

The jury is no longer out, ALL Jimmy.

 

[mrmojo]

Of course it was Jimmy.....it was obvious if you were around during that tenure....I got to see 3 more SB chapmionships because of Jimmy so I could never discredit what he did in Dallas.

 

[Rockport]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

Wow, another bash everything and everyone thread. How original. Poor me, oh poor me.