Which New Additions Can Help vs the Run?

[shabazz]

Oops...sorry...you said "new additions". My bad. Maybe Toia can eventually help us out.

Perhaps we have to view Mazi as a new addition because hes been AWOL the past two seasons. A new DC is his last lifeline.

If that guy still gets manhandled and doesn't get any push in collapsing the pocket, the experiment will be over.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm not celebrating anything, or in your world is pointing out a fact a celebration?

The post I was originally responded to seemed to be shocked that simply because we had Parsons the avg points per game was somehow higher than it should have been.

I was simply pointing out he is but 1 of 11 actually more with rotations playing Defense. And this could not be personally responsible for all of those scores especially the ones he didn't even play in.

You opted to jump in on that conversation and make false claims or at least allude to false claims or mentioning Detroit a game Parson did not play in, invent entirely new meanings for words or celebration means pointing out facts. Then couldn't resist bringing up Dak in a conversation about Defense.

Why do you think it is you do these things?

you pointed out ravens scored 28 points...stated as a fact, doesn't change the fact the defense got gashed.

and yes, parsons is 1 of 11. I don't disagree, that's why I said, he is part of the issue.

not in the habit of reading 100s of comments in a 3 page thread to make sense of a lot of non sense some people tend to talk about.

this defense sucked last year. parsons, diggs, osa, mazi, etc. all part of the problem. when healthy they sucked. when injured they sucked. people celebrated that we got better at the end of the year. it was mainly the opponents we played, who were bottom feeders offensively.

with that said. it doesn't matter. there is really no analysis to be done. no evaluation to be done. the defense sucked. they were all responsible and accountable for the suckiness

 

[Gambit]

not one player. the whole defense. and one player is not going to fix the defense. we replaced a bunch of JAGS at LB, with a whole new bunch of JAGS. didn't fix DT problems. the safties were bad before, now a year older, still bad. and top 3 CBs are coming off major injuries.

the offense should be ok.

Correct not one person's fault. I'm not sure why the debate then? And Bland will be just fine he returned very nicely during the season, hurt 10 games, coincidentally the 3 games you mention as being "before all the injuries" Bland was hurt, one of those Parsons was hurt.

No Lawrence either after week 4 3 out 11 starters on D missed significant time.

This is my whole point. Not sure why you needed to turn it into more than that.

 

[Gambit]

you pointed out ravens scored 28 points...stated as a fact, doesn't change the fact the defense got gashed.

Also doesn't equal celebrating, and serves to bolster my entire point, it's not all Parsons.

not in the habit of reading 100s of comments in a 3 page thread to make sense of a lot of non sense some people tend to talk about.

Then why wade into a conversation part way through and attempt to be authoritative and give misleading at best facts! Do you do that often in life? Your laziness to hit an up arrow on a reply to see what was said is a you issue not an US issue.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Correct not one person's fault. I'm not sure why the debate then? And Bland will be just fine he returned very nicely during the season, hurt 10 games, coincidentally the 3 games you mention as being "before all the injuries" Bland was hurt, one of those Parsons was hurt.

No Lawrence either after week 4 3 out 11 starters on D missed significant time.

This is my whole point. Not sure why you needed to turn it into more than that.

I am not sure if its a debate, as much as a comment and conversation.

and yes, the D defintely suffered because of injuries. but my point was that even before injuries the defense was bad.

and I am not really turning it into anything more. just that all of the defensive players played a part in the debacle as we both acknowledged and that not one single person is responsible.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Also doesn't equal celebrating, and serves to bolster my entire point, it's not all Parsons.



Then why wade into a conversation part way through and attempt to be authoritative and give misleading at best facts! Do you do that often in life? Your laziness to hit an up arrow on a reply to see what was said is a you issue not an US issue.

what!?

again, I agreed that its never a single person. its the whole team.

my whole point was the even before injuries the defense sucked. and parsons has to also be part of the issue. now, does it mean they all bear the same amount of accountability and responsibility? no. parsons less than others, but he was also less than perfect and problematic.

and what's with the life questions...you seem to have gotten off track on psychology of things for some strange reason.

good luck on trying to be an amateur arm chair psychologist. perhaps you should try something different.

done!

 

[Cowboyny]

We were 28th, I believe, in run defense last year. With new additions to the team, which players do you think will help against the run?

I know Sanborn is pretty good against the run. I think Toia might help but may also need time to develop. And Turner is also pretty solid at run defense, although not much of a pass rusher.

Am I missing anyone? Are there any players who you think will step up in the run defense this year?

Murray is that big, athletic LB but has poor instincts for the position. NT is the obvious, but also look at the ends and even the slot corner who will be expected to be a big part of their run defense.

 

[Pass2Run]

Parsons was hurt and missed time, did he not? Or am I remembering wrongly?

We had a revolving door at CB all season too.

Many contributing factors, not just one DE.

That doesn't change the fact that Parsons is a one trick pony.

 

[gtb1943]

we were not all shot up and in pieces when we played the Saints and they completely owned us.
what happened there was the real story of that season
those trying to blame injuries for how bad the D was against the run are flat out wrong.
we have been bad against the run for a long time; it is a systemic defect and failure

 

[deerhunter11]

He does his part in this regard well enough. I think people are too low on Mazi because he isn't flashy. But I've looked into this and some of the criticism is unwarranted.

Mazy showed some hustle last season I think Mazi will be fine this season, I have mentioned before Mazi beat Parsons to tackles last season.

 

[deerhunter11]

We were 28th, I believe, in run defense last year. With new additions to the team, which players do you think will help against the run?

I know Sanborn is pretty good against the run. I think Toia might help but may also need time to develop. And Turner is also pretty solid at run defense, although not much of a pass rusher.

Am I missing anyone? Are there any players who you think will step up in the run defense this year?

Toia and Rogers has the size to play the position of One technique, Toia looks strong on film, and looks like he is mean as a copper head snake as well.

 

[Canada180]

Unless.

We also establish a run game to counter.

With all respect to the Op for a good thread in general.........I cant believe that we are still all very concerned about our run D.!!! For the love of God I wish this front office would seriously address this.

My apologies to the OP for running a bit off topic

 

[Gambit]

That doesn't change the fact that Parsons is a one trick pony.

But that's not what you originally stated. You originally put the entire ones on one singular player.

Why some of y'all can't just be honest about what you say, or maybe better just say what you mean is beyond me.

This is the problem with agenda driven comments.

 

[Pass2Run]

With all respect to the Op for a good thread in general.........I cant believe that we are still all very concerned about our run D.!!! For the love of God I wish this front office would seriously address this.

My apologies to the OP for running a bit off topic

No apologies needed. I understand. I go off topic myself sometimes. We do need to improve our run d. Eberflus does it differently. He'll use LBs to cover outside runs and clog the middle by committee. That's kinda his schtick.

 

[Pass2Run]

But that's not what you originally stated. You originally put the entire ones on one singular player.

Why some of y'all can't just be honest about what you say, or maybe better just say what you mean is beyond me.

This is the problem with agenda driven comments.

No, that's actually not what I'm doing. I'm not honestly saying that Parsons is at fault. Just that, he's not a big contributor in the run game. He's been a liability even at times.

My biggest issue is him not having the position flex to move around. Say, on first downs he plays LB, maybe even 2nd. He can play the run as a LB. But as a DE, his primary focus has been sacks, because that's what gets you paid. Im actually fine with that part. I just want him in the best positions to succeed. I view Parsons as more of a OLB in a 3-4 scheme. He's strictly a pass rusher in our most recent defense. I'll be interested to see how Eberflus utilizes his talent

 

[Canada180]

No apologies needed. I understand. I go off topic myself sometimes. We do need to improve our run d. Eberflus does it differently. He'll use LBs to cover outside runs and clog the middle by committee. That's kinda his schtick.

I hope youre right. I just am leary that they are dancing around the problem hoping to improve the run by the sum of the parts being greater than the whole. Id like to see a big beef eater right in the middle. Thanks

 

[Pass2Run]

I hope youre right. I just am leary that they are dancing around the problem hoping to improve the run by the sum of the parts being greater than the whole. Id like to see a big beef eater right in the middle. Thanks

Well, I'm only partially right on this. The fans, myself included, are correct that they need to upgrade the position.

I still think Mazi can develop. He needs to strengthen his balance.

 

[Pass2Run]

As a central PA native who grew up watching him play in Harrisburg and at Penn State, I have said all along, even before we drafted him, that what he does best is attack the football. He shouldn't be lined up at the same spot every play. He needs to be allowed to free lance, to be able to see it and attack it. That's when he's most dangerous. As great as he is at rushing the QB, having him at DE every down is actually a determent to what he can do. It sets him up to be schemed out of the play.
That's why I'm really hoping these additions to DE will allow Flus to let him do just that. If Fowler, Kneeland, Turner and EzRockU can hold the edges and get pressures of their own it can free up Micah to be his best.
He needs to be let lose, to be able to just blow things up every play. Regardless if it's a run or a pass he will cause havoc, if you let him.

So, yeah, this actually seems like the best way to get your best players and run defenders in on first down. If everyone is cool w Travis Hunter playing two positions, then Parsons can too, especially on defense.

 

[gtb1943]

Mazy showed some hustle last season I think Mazi will be fine this season, I have mentioned before Mazi beat Parsons to tackles last season.

He is going to have to take a HUGE jump. A few plays here and there mean nothing.

 

[Typhus]

We were 28th, I believe, in run defense last year. With new additions to the team, which players do you think will help against the run?

I know Sanborn is pretty good against the run. I think Toia might help but may also need time to develop. And Turner is also pretty solid at run defense, although not much of a pass rusher.

Am I missing anyone? Are there any players who you think will step up in the run defense this year?

Desperately seeking a true 1T to step up, and have Mazi, Toia, and Rogers in house, so fingers crossed.
LDE. brought back Fowler and drafted EZ so that position looks somewhat stable.
RDE. MP and Kneeland.
I'm personally praying that our new additions of Murray and Sanborn in the middle of this back seven have an impact vs run.
We shall see my friend.