Belt: Miles Sanders showing way more juice than Javonte Williams

[The Natural]

that would be fair if it wasn't preceded by an even poorer showing the year prior.

The year pior the Panthers had a historically bad offense. Being objective, its hard to take away anything of value from that when trying to gauge what this guy has left in the tank.

 

[Proof]

The year pior the Panthers had a historically bad offense. Being objective, its hard to take away anything of value from that when trying to gauge what this guy has left in the tank.

perhaps. he just also contributed to the historically bad showing, then continued his poor play as chuba excelled. but here's hoping.

 

[Swagger]

I think people are too quick to write off Sanders.

Good player but he will probably last about a game and a half before going on IR.

 

[gimmesix]

That's the exact prerequisite for most of the Jones offseason aquisitions

In decline
Bust
Off injury
Behavioral issues

It how one gets to be bought bargain basement

Those descriptions would never or seldom wind up on a Dan Cambell team because he knows that doesn't build true contenders and the GM there actually WORKS with the HC....like most of the other 31 teams

Well, I believe that the Joneses work with the head coach and their personnel man, Will McClay, but there are set parameters for what they will spend in free agency and even for trades. McClay is likely the one, with coaching input, who goes out and finds those cheap players.

Now, there are exceptions where Jerry goes off the reservation, like with the Trey Lance trade. That one seemed to be all him. Pickens might be as well. But it's mostly about making the coaches and McClay stick to the Joneses' philosophy that you don't get what you pay for with expensive free agents.

Therefore, the coaches and McClay have to look for cheap players they think they can coach up or they think can bounce back from down years or from injury.

It's a philosophy that produces a lot of failures, but if there is an occasional success, the Joneses go, see, it works.

I think last year a good example is what they did at running back. They brought back Elliott for cheap, they brought in Dalvin Cook for cheap, they signed Royce Freeman for cheap and they got Rico Dowdle to return on a one-year deal for cheap. Elliott, Cook and Freeman were absolutely fails, but Dowdle broke 1,000 yards and averaged 4.6 YPC. So the Joneses believe they were right to go cheap at the position.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think people are too quick to write off Sanders.

I was a 1K runner with the Eagles.

 

[KJJ]

You can’t tell much about backs until the games start. You can’t read a lot into OTA’s but I can tell some fans are.

 

[KJJ]

At some point, Blue takes over as RB1.

That’s what we hope but I would tap the breaks until we see him perform in games. Even if he runs well, fumbles have been an issue. If he starts putting the ball on the ground he won’t be in there.

 

[mcmvp]

I have a few questions and concerns about Sanders that won't be answered until about halfway through the season.

In 2022, his fourth year as a pro, Sanders by far had his best year.1,269 yards rushing, 11 TD's, 4.9 YPA. He started 15 games but played in all 17. In the passing game he was a mere 20 receptions for 78 yards. He had nine total touchdowns in his first three years. In his first year he had 50 receptions for 509 yards and has never come close to that as a receiver since.

Philly had no issues letting him walk despite his good year, swapping him out for D'Andre Swift. Swift went on to have by far the best year of his five-year career and watched his YPC fall from 4.6 to 3.8 after leaving Philly, while Sanders, in 16 games for the Panthers in 2023, rushed for 432 yards and one TD. He only gained 202 yards with two TD's in eleven games last year.

Was Sanders a product of Philly's system under Shane Steichen in 2022? Why didn't Sanders put up better numbers in the previous years behind Philly's o-line? Why did Sanders crash and burn in Carolina?

My other big concern with Sanders is his playoff performances. Sanders has played in five post-season games, and to say he disappoints in the post-season is a fair assessment. That is the last thing we need from a skill position player, given our recent playoff history. Sanders in five playoffs games has 56 rushes for 233 yards and two TD's, and only seven receptions for 23 yards.

So, can we realistically expect the 2022 Sanders to show up this year? It would be a boon to our team if he did, but history is against this happening.

100% Sanders benefited running behind the Eagles oline…but he, Swift, and Barkley have all all also benefitted playing next to another running threat in Hurts. All these guys were running against one fewer defender on RPO plays

 

[CATCH17]

I’d love to have Roschon Johnson from Chicago.

 

[Praxit]

...hearing all this hype, makes more the case Vaughn getting the axe at some point.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I’d love to have Roschon Johnson from Chicago.

It is interesting though because I have no idea what the Bears are doing but it seems like if he wants to emulate what he has in Detroit then Swift and Rochon would be his speed and power back. But who knows.

 

[Reid1boys]

No kidding he has more juice. Cmon, Williams has one knee, and its arthritic. They are both cast iffs nobody wanted. Only our sorry FO thinks we can have old guys and late rd draft picks play this position.

All IN !!!

 

[boysfanindc]

I love Duece the kid and story, but he has no business ending up on this roster.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Its most like Williams injury robbed him of his ability to be a quality, and he is just what he has been the last 2 years

 

[McKDaddy]

Yeah Miles and Javonte for sure don’t have that so if Blue is ready it’s his job to lose.

I honestly think Mike could’ve handled that Zeke situation better. He should’ve demanded against jr.

I never had any issues with Zeke on the field and he was a heck of a talent early on. But they kept him the starter longer than they should have before releasing him and then to bring him back was just insanity.

A better strategy would have been to select someone out of the crowd each week to be your back the following week. Would have gotten at least similar production & had a nice PR story each week. Surprised Jerry didn't think of it.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Well, the evidence from Carolina shows that he's a back in decline. It wasn't that he played on a team with bad run-blocking. He had a poor YPC while Chuba Hubbard had a great season. Doesn't mean he won't overcome that, but the evidence is against it. In his prime, Sanders was better than anything Williams has ever shown, though, peaking at 5.5 per carry in 2021. Williams' best has been 4.4.

I think for last season, it’s partly an issue of small sample size. He only had 55 carries on the year. If he broke one 30 yard run his average would have been 4.2 YPC.

 

[Pass2Run]

That's what they said at UT.

Not really. But when it mattered, or they needed a clutch play, who got the ball? ( See championship game.)

It's not about starters at Texas. It's a RB factory there. They're almost always by committee. Even when it was Ricky Williams, there was Priest Holmes

When it was Robinson, it was also Johnson and so on.

Nice try, though.

 

[Pass2Run]

I was a 1K runner with the Eagles.

Your Madden player?

JK, CBNY.

 

[Bamx]

I’d love to have Roschon Johnson from Chicago.

Travis Etienne would be another good one to look at. Jacksonville drafted a RB and also used Tank quite a bit last year.

 

[75boyz]

Doesnt matter if its Sanders OR Williams as the winner as Cowboy bellcow RB.

Because I've seen recent past combos from Payton with Ingram and Kamara in NO. More recently Johnson had Gibbs and Montgomery in Detroit as a very effective 1-2 punch.
And if ya wanna go the running QB/RB duo there's Hurts with Barkley and Jackson with Henry.

But for some strange reason I just can't picture the current Cowboy running back room and QB matching that type level of run game performance.

And THAT type performance is exactly what's needed for this offense to succeed.

Unfortunately.

jmo