Who's the QB with the most help

[Hawkeye0202]

Interesting...........

 

[jazzcat22]

Well, we know who has the least help.

As a great surrounding team goes a long way for the TEAM.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

BTW......word is Jackson will soon pass Dak as the highest-paid QB in the NFL.

 

[MarcusRock]

Here we go ...

Take it away fellas (and ladies).

 

[thunderpimp91]

Most starting caliber QBs can win in this league if you give them the weapons in the right system. Goff was looked at as a failure after getting sent to Detroit....until he got a team around him. Baker Mayfield couldnt stick with a team until he go to throw footballs to Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. jalen Hurts was not taken serious until Philly went out and got AJ Brown.

I'm not saying QB play doesn't matter, but we really over glorify the position. Call me crazy but I think NFL teams pay these guys as much as they do for the revenue they bring in more so than the wins they bring in. Cooper Rush is not as good a QB as Dak Prescott is, but went 1-0 on a pretty good 2021 Cowboy team, 4-1 on a pretty good 2022 Cowboy team, and 4-4 on a very mediocre 2024 Cowboy team....similar results to what Dak produced in those same seasons with the same supporting casts.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Most starting caliber QBs can win in this league if you give them the weapons in the right system. Goff was looked at as a failure after getting sent to Detroit....until he got a team around him. Baker Mayfield couldnt stick with a team until he go to throw footballs to Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. jalen Hurts was not taken serious until Philly went out and got AJ Brown.

I'm not saying QB play doesn't matter, but we really over glorify the position. Call me crazy but I think NFL teams pay these guys as much as they do for the revenue they bring in more so than the wins they bring in. Cooper Rush is not as good a QB as Dak Prescott is, but went 1-0 on a pretty good 2021 Cowboy team, 4-1 on a pretty good 2022 Cowboy team, and 4-4 on a very mediocre 2024 Cowboy team....similar results to what Dak produced in those same seasons with the same supporting casts.

Counterpoint

AJ Brown in 3 years on the Titans: 0 All-Pros

AJ Brown in 3 years playing with Hurts: 3 All-Pros

 

[DallasEast]

Interesting...........

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

BTW......word is Jackson will soon pass Dak as the highest-paid QB in the NFL.

but he deserve it. he has one more win in the playoffs than Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Counterpoint

AJ Brown in 3 years on the Titans: 0 All-Pros

AJ Brown in 3 years playing with Hurts: 3 All-Pros

so CD has three all pro seasons... what does that mean? is it CD? or is it Dak?

 

[Hadenough]

Counterpoint

AJ Brown in 3 years on the Titans: 0 All-Pros

AJ Brown in 3 years playing with Hurts: 3 All-Pros

This is a good way of explaining what I was going to say.
These QBs make the players around them better. And they indirectly inspire a defense by showing the ability perform in big moments.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Counterpoint

AJ Brown in 3 years on the Titans: 0 All-Pros

AJ Brown in 3 years playing with Hurts: 3 All-Pros

This is a good way of explaining what I was going to say.
These QBs make the players around them better. And they indirectly inspire a defense by showing the ability perform in big moments.

Fair argument, however AJ Browns numbers didn't change as much as his accolades and playing time did.

2019 - 16 games (11 starts) - 393 routes - 52/1051/8
2020 - 14 games - 406 routes -70/1075/11
2021 - 13 games - 347 routes - 63/869/5
2022 - 17 games - 578 routes - 88/1496/11
2023 - 17 games - 577 routes - 106/1456/7
2024 - 13 games - 361 routes - 68/1079/7

A lot of this has to do with opportunities given to Brown more than his actual performance. He was still dominant when he was with Tennessee which is why so many people destroyed the Titans publically after that move. Also fair to note that Tennessee went from 12 wins to 7 after losing AJ Brown.

On a per pass route basis Browns numbers look fairly consistent:

2019 - 7.5 routes per catch, 2.67 yards per route
2020 - 5.8, 2.65
2021 - 5.5, 2.50
2022 - 6.5, 2.59
2023 - 5.4, 2.52
2024 - 5.3, 2.99

The only outlier here is 2024 where he averaged 2.99 yards per catch, 2nd only to Puka Nacua. Even going back to his rookie season in 2019 AJ Browns efficiency numbers were still through the rook...his 2.65 Y/R was 3rd in the league. Had he not been a rookie that didn't get worked in as much early on in the year he probably puts up all pro numbers as well. I'm not sure the QB play had as much to do with Browns success than Brown had on those QBs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Interesting...........

I don't know if using Pro Bowls and All Pro's is a accurate way to say who has the most help. But I mean that list isn't off some solid coaching as well.

 

[KJJ]

The Ravens still depend heavily on Jackson which is why they falter in the playoffs. He’s having to play too much hero ball. If you contain him no one else steps up. Henry was held to 84 yards in the lost to Buffalo last season in the playoffs. He had almost 200 yards the previous week.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I don't know if using Pro Bowls and All Pro's is a accurate way to say who has the most help. But I mean that list isn't off some solid coaching as well.

yeah its a starting point for the discussion, but pro bowls and all pros certainly dont tell the full story.

 

[Chasing6]

Well, we know who has the least help.

As a great surrounding team goes a long way for the TEAM.

Top 8 is impressive, especially with GM Jethro.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

 

[big dog cowboy]

Burrow? Allen?

Also, there has to be a better way of determining this ranking than this method.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Top 8 is impressive, especially with GM Jethro.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Where is T. R. ???

According to Dak Haters, I thought T. R. was better than Dak?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Burrow? Allen?

Also, there has to be a better way of determining this ranking than this method.

Burrow is an interesting one. He has some flashy weapons at WR, but thats about it. His defense is one of the worst in the league, as is his OL. RB room is pretty average looking too.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

yeah its a starting point for the discussion, but pro bowls and all pros certainly dont tell the full story.

Not at all. Because let’s look at the Cowboys for instance…all these all pros but can’t run the football or stop the run. The two most important aspects of a game. It’s also some very good players who don’t get All Pro but who are contributors.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Burrow is an interesting one. He has some flashy weapons at WR, but thats about it. His defense is one of the worst in the league, as is his OL. RB room is pretty average looking too.

It is but they have some good players on defense so I don’t know why they are so bad.