Are fans ready to accept the Micah trade devasted our defense?

[Diehardblues]

There are several personnel changes and the ones that were here are older now.

More importantly, the scheme is much different and does not fit the players they have especially in the secondary.

Diggs is nowhere near at his skill level from two years ago because it takes 18+ months for professional athletes to return to pre-injury skill level.

Hopefully next year he will be back to form if they don't replace him in some way.

Eberflus' influenced signings like Sanborn and Murray are new and worse than what Quinn had.

This team has a lot of issues and no single defensive player including Micah Parsons, Aaron Donald or any other superstar would fix this defense.

They would help it be a little better, but still a long way from what it needs to be.

I don’t think anyone is arguing against that. The bigger point is are we a better defense with him. Good GM’s figure out how to build around not tear it down.

We’ll see how long it takes to reload this defense since rebuild is a forbidden term with our dysfunctional ownership.

My hunch is longer without a talent like Micah. And probably waste these last few years with Dak.

 

[ghst187]

Losing Dan Quinn devastated an already undertalented defense and Eberflus enhanced the fail x10. Parsons isn’t moving the needle on this defense….what maybe he pushes us to 31st worst?

 

[Cowboyny]

I understand if we were actually in an official rebuild mode and Micah wasn’t in our plans as we planned on trading him to highest bidder during Free Agency that could have actually been a strategic plan. But that’s not what happened. We had every intention on resigning. We just couldn’t get a deal done . But I’m not here to argue out as that’s been exhausted over last couple months.

This thread is about what the impacts of losing Micah has meant to this defense . The fact we lost him a week before the season had to be devasting to a DC and schemes with other losses on defense in FA and injuries.

Where was our pass rush going to come from. We also lost Lawrence as a Cap Casualty. Our top two edge rushers gone .

And with our 2 CB’s not a 100% recovering from injuries we were leaving our secondary very vulnerable without a pass rush.

WTH were we thinking. We had to know it could be a disaster .

Parsons just hid how really bad they are. Good to bottom out as the front office has no choice but to upgrade the talent, where they may of not done that with Parsons and his contract.

 

[cowboyec]

our defense has not been the same since the play-off loss to green bay.
and that happened with micah.
we couldn't stop the run before micah got here.
we couldn't stop the run with micah.
and its continued.
its been going on for 10yrs +.
the only way it changes is if the f/o has a philosophical change on how they view the defense.

 

[John813]

His cap hits this season and next are very manageable but that is beside the point.
Especially since those hits are for a new contract in GB and not an extension here.

The point is moving the money to multiple guys, develop your young Edges, backfill in free agency with good draft picks you now have a surplus of.

He was their only shot at recouping 2 R1 picks. And trading him in 2 years would have been impossibly expensive. All that money would push forward on your cap at trade time.
4 R1 draft picks over the next 2 years and this defense can look very, very different.

You have spent R2 on Edges 3 times and you need to see if any if those guys can play.

No one who has watched the scheme and this LB corps can honestly argue Dallas would be a good defense with Micah here.

Dallas can go sign multiple defensive free agents next off-season and make their year 1 cap hits very low.

The best two pass rushers in the league both played on pretty trash defenses.

I just feel like no matter what, they will not spend in FA.
Next year, they can delay on Prescott's restructure, and still claim to be cap tight, especially if they tag Pickens, which would eat most of the rollover.

Feel like we'll peak at the Solomon Thomas and Fowlers of the FA pile.

 

[gimmesix]

But wining a couple more games makes all the difference. That’s a tremendous impact .

If. Again, our run defense would be weaker than it is without Clark. I'm not sure it would make a difference because we have so many weaknesses on defense. Teams would probably just run more to slow down Parsons' pass rush.

I prefer keeping top NFL defenders when you have them, so I'm not a fan of the Parsons trade. However, I have to be realistic about it that I don't know if having him would have made much of a difference in our outcome. I think teams would just run at us more and double him to force others to beat us one-on-one. I think Clark is one of the few players we have who can regularly beat single blocking and we wouldn't have him.

I don't think you get better by trading away the few dynamic players you hit on, but we'll see. Clark is a solid player that we traded a dynamic one for, and we still have two first-round picks to use to make this trade worthwhile. Since I don't think this defense would be doing all that much better with Parsons, I'm OK seeing what we do with what we got even though I would not have traded him.

 

[Diehardblues]

Parsons just hid how really bad they are. Good to bottom out as the front office has no choice but to upgrade the talent, where they may of not done that with Parsons and his contract.

That’s left to be seen. I’d just argue it would be easier to build around Micah than start over.

And his contract is overblown. His Cap hits are manageable until back end of contract.

Like only 9 million this year. 19 and 26 following. Last year is 42 and when you look to renegotiate or move on.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72392/micah-parsons

 

[Aven8]

Micah was my favorite player so I was pissed. Having said that it would help a tad with pressure, but that’s about it with this current group. Maybe they get another pick or two, but that’s it. Until the secondary quits pointing fingers and looking confused expect the same folks.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

And how much faith do we have in that?

If we think there’s another Micah waiting for us we are naive. This type of trade means you’re several years away from contending again . Which I promise you isn’t the intention of Jethro.

This trade wasn’t a rebuild plan. Rather just a bailout on a negation gone bad .

I don't have confidence in Jerral for anything. But Micah wasn't going to be the difference maker, too many holes in the D. At least he can waste his career in GB instead of Dallas.

 

[Diehardblues]

Parsons just hid how really bad they are. Good to bottom out as the front office has no choice but to upgrade the talent, where they may of not done that with Parsons and his contract.

You have more faith than I do our dysfunctional ownership will find a comparable replacement.

 

[AstroPilota]

.... I'm OK seeing what we do with what we got even though I would not have traded him.

If you owned the Cowboys and he publicly said he no longer wanted to play for you, would you be eager to sign a $200 million dollar contract with him? I don't believe the divorce was really all that sudden, it was brewing for some time.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't have confidence in Jerral for anything. But Micah wasn't going to be the difference maker, too many holes in the D. At least he can waste his career in GB instead of Dallas.

A difference maker for what? Cowboys aren’t going to the Super Bowl with Jethro as GM. But we were a playoff contender.

Our owner lowered the bar not me. Fortunately we still have Dak but my hunch his last years are wasted.

Rock bottom isn’t going to bring the changes most fans want. Just more non playoff seasons.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I understand if we were actually in an official rebuild mode and Micah wasn’t in our plans as we planned on trading him to highest bidder during Free Agency that could have actually been a strategic plan. But that’s not what happened. We had every intention on resigning. We just couldn’t get a deal done . But I’m not here to argue out as that’s been exhausted over last couple months.

This thread is about what the impacts of losing Micah has meant to this defense . The fact we lost him a week before the season had to be devasting to a DC and schemes with other losses on defense in FA and injuries.

Where was our pass rush going to come from. We also lost Lawrence as a Cap Casualty. Our top two edge rushers gone .

And with our 2 CB’s not a 100% recovering from injuries we were leaving our secondary very vulnerable without a pass rush.

WTH were we thinking. We had to know it could be a disaster .

The only issues I have are…..

The defense sucked with Micah last season with Zim
Packers debacle with Quinn
Scheme change this year

I’ve seen nothing to suggest we would be good with Micah and Eberflus….

But would we be better? For sure.

But is it smart to invest 47 million a year in a bad defense? It’s not.

That being said….also not wise to invest that money in Bland and Osa if we are bad anyway.

 

[Diehardblues]

Micah was my favorite player so I was pissed. Having said that it would help a tad with pressure, but that’s about it with this current group. Maybe they get another pick or two, but that’s it. Until the secondary quits pointing fingers and looking confused expect the same folks.

I’m over 70 years old. I don’t have favorite players anymore . Most of them are dead or older than I am. Lol

 

[Diehardblues]

The only issues I have are…..

The defense sucked with Micah last season with Zim
Packers debacle with Quinn
Scheme change this year

I’ve seen nothing to suggest we would be good with Micah and Eberflus….

But would we be better? For sure.

But is it smart to invest 47 million a year in a bad defense? It’s not.

That being said….also not wise to invest that money in Bland and Osa if we are bad anyway.

And that’s the nutshell of my argument . We are better defense with him.

The money is just a talking point. Cap hit this year less than 10 million. Less than 20 next year .

 

[32BellyOption]

With or without Micah this defense is dead last. And without Clark the run D may actually be worse. It’s all about scheme and the players not buying into it.

 

[uvaballa]

Defense would be better but not that much better with Micah. Use the money they saved to sign Pickens and draft all defense the first 3 or 4 rounds next year.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

A difference maker for what? Cowboys aren’t going to the Super Bowl with Jethro as GM. But we were a playoff contender.

Our owner lowered the bar not me. Fortunately we still have Dak but my hunch his last years are wasted.

Rock bottom isn’t going to bring the changes most fans want. Just more non playoff seasons.

We'll just have to disagree. We are not, and would not with Micah, be a playoff contender.

 

[Diehardblues]

We'll just have to disagree. We are not, and would not with Micah, be a playoff contender.

Once we get everyone healthy on defense like Overshown we might have been. Remember a playoff contender is a 8-10 win team. Contender meaning in the hunt until last couple weeks.

We’ve never had a losing record when Dak is healthy all season. Without Micah our season is basically going to be over by Halloween. With him probably in it until closer to Xmas.

To this fan nothing is worse than meaningless games as I watch them all and have to live here.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Seems like there's a big difference in saying we'd be better with Micah -- which few if any disagree with -- and saying losing one player "devastated" our defense.