What is the Cowboys reasoning for delaying contract signings?

[Coogiguy03]

Contrary to all those good opinions here in this thread i think the reason is very simple:

The just have other priorities and therefore dont put much time and effort into negotiation and contract talks. So it takes much longer to get deals done.

In essence: They just dont care. Football is not the priority of the Joneses business plan.

maybe the other things they're involved in, they WIN at those negotiations and people kiss their behinds, but in football you have actual agents etc who want to kick their behinds, and they realize everything in life isnt' a cake walk

 

[kskboys]

I'd like to say bc it keep them in the news, but I'm beginning to believe they just aren't paying attention and are distracted by other interests or just don't care.

Jerry and Stephanie running an NFL franchise would be the equivalent of putting a 6 year old in advanced Trig. They don't have the background to make decisions at the NFL level, and are not interested in learning what it takes.

 

[charron]

Let me re-phrase this for you so as to make it more accurate. They have a team of "advisors" (who actually know what they're doing) however the Jones Boys don't listen to them half of the time. They think they're smarter. And what has been the outcome of that? Truth of the matter, they're cheap. They figure of they pay a couple people high dollar, they can cut corners everywhere else. Even in places where it matters most.

I disagree that these advisors know what they are doing. I also disagree that the Jonses do not listen to them. The issue is each advisor may give conflicting advice. It's like listening to advise on this board and only approving random ideas from various individuals...it doesn't work together. Better to have 1 guy (a GM) who has 1 solid vision and executes that vision to the best of the front offices ability. It's actually amazing they have done well without a GM but not surprising they can't actually compete with the best teams.

 

[Verdict]

Could someone please help me understand why we do this, why we think this is some kind of special tactic to use? I'm sure "other teams do this too" but we're focusing on the cowboys. What is the reasoning, has the player not shown enough, is it the agent, is it both, or the Cowboys just aren't sure the player fits in their plans?

It's kind of hard to believe as the Cowboys have great things to say about every player. If you ask them, you always hear positive feedback on how they WANT said player to return and play for them, yet they stall and take their time. I realize it's good to see what the market is set at, but find out what the market is, and get the player signed. Often times we run the price up by waiting too long, doing the opposite of what we want to do. We all know they're cheap, yet they wait and wait things out, only to see the price increase! Please give your thoughts on this

Jerry and Co make a lot of mistakes. But they also get blamed for a lot of things that they have no control over. In order to get a deal done the player has to want to sign and then does.

I don’t know why Jerry and co get blamed when a player clearly is holding out and playing the waiting game. What makes that Jerry’s fault?

That’s an emotional response by fans.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Jerry and Co make a lot of mistakes. But they also get blamed for a lot of things that they have no control over. In order to get a deal done the player has to want to sign and then does.

I don’t know why Jerry and co get blamed when a player clearly is holding out and playing the waiting game. What makes that Jerry’s fault?

That’s an emotional response by fans.

because they could get the deal done earlier maybe?

 

[DuncanIso]

Jerry and Co make a lot of mistakes. But they also get blamed for a lot of things that they have no control over. In order to get a deal done the player has to want to sign and then does.

I don’t know why Jerry and co get blamed when a player clearly is holding out and playing the waiting game. What makes that Jerry’s fault?

That’s an emotional response by fans.

yup.

Those agents have a lot of pull with the players.

They know how to get the $$$

 

[EGTuna]

Because the Jones idiots are not football guys. Jerry doesn't know or have any idea of who he should or shouldn't pay as it relates to football. He goes off entertainment value and because of this he relies on a team of people to tell him if he should or shouldn't extend someone. He is way more involved in making his other business deals but when it comes to the Cowboys he relies on others to tell him what he should do. That's part of it and the other part he's still stuck 40 years in the past when it comes to negotiating. He thinks the players will be homeless if they don't sign a contract so he drags things out until right before the season starts to begin actively negotiating. He thinks the season opener is the deadline for the players but the players rightlfully use this against the old hag.

<Nods vigorously >

 

[TwentyOne]

maybe the other things they're involved in, they WIN at those negotiations and people kiss their behinds, but in football you have actual agents etc who want to kick their behinds, and they realize everything in life isnt' a cake walk

I dont think JJ or his family is strong in negotiations.

When you follow Jerrys "success" before he bought the Boys he failed two times badly with his businesses and his father had to bail him out.

After that he bought the Cowboys. He then straight went to court against all the other owners of the NFL. No negotaiations or ideas he tried to convince them.
He fought the NFL for having the right to make his own sponsor deals and not be dependend on the NFL.

He won. And that was the beginning of the NFL as we know it. He never had an interessted about the NFL as a product. All he was about was his personal success.
There wasnt negotations with other owners. There wasnt "new ideas" he convinced owner with. There was no diplomatic "we together" approach.

Jerry Jones was and is (and will be always) someone who gets what he wants by forcing it to others by pure power. Not with smartness or intellect. He does not have that. Dont overestimate him. He just wants to put him in that clever light. But he aint that.

The best example of his character and approach was when he threatened that media guy to fire him if he doesnt work like Jerry told him. Small happening. But on the point if you want to understand who the guy really is.

 

[Reid1boys]

Depends in what you call a “problem”

There is a reason Jerry hates to payout bonuses. It’s because it’s a check he has to write *today*.

He keeps all of his liquidity devoted to his businesses outside the Cowboys and to make that work, he runs the team as if they *are* cash poor.

Think of it like this.

Team brings in $100m profit.

Jerry doesn’t keep that within the team to pay for things like signing bonuses. He takes $80m of it and puts it into his oil business ventures (as an example), as a “loan” and then repays it with interest. If the venture doesn’t make moneys I’m sure there’s forgiveness built into the deals he makes with himself.

The Cowboys are essentially his bank that he uses to loan money to his other businesses

So, yes, they do have a cash flow “problem” as far as we are concerned, but for Jerry it’s all part of the plan. The money just passes right through the org but isn’t used by the team.

Cash over Cap teams borrows from the future cap to have money today for big bonuses. They make big long term deals and worry about the cap later. It’s usually the way rich owners operate. Broncos, Seahawks, Chiefs, Rams all have really rich owners and run their teams this way.

Jerry is the sixth richest owner but runs the team like he’s the Raiders, Bengals or Steelers. Teams with relatively “poor” owners.

yawn..... cash flow isnt an issue and never has been. Dont tell me what Jerry thinks as you have no clue what he thinks. If he hated giving out those bonuses, he wouldnt do it. he has consistently given very large signing bonuses.

 

[Reid1boys]

Honestly, leaving this at where it is, b

I'll take your word for it, too much back and forth in this thread

wasnt hard. I actualy said the opposite of what you thought I said. This is what I said.


They are in the news. Why can’t you all understand this. Jerry need to do nothing at all and they still are the main topic all off season. Hell, the Seahawks won the sub and it’s like they are some European soccer team.

 

[csirl]

JJ is a geriatric part time worker. He doesnt and cant work the hours of a full time GM. So things get done at a much slower pace.

 

[phildadon86]

wasnt hard. I actualy said the opposite of what you thought I said. This is what I said.


They are in the news. Why can’t you all understand this. Jerry need to do nothing at all and they still are the main topic all off season. Hell, the Seahawks won the sub and it’s like they are some European soccer team.

Wrong.

Jerry needs to keep the cowboys in the news. Their play on the field keeps them out of it.

All anyone was talking about this offseason was how bad the defense was.

If Jerry stopped stepping in front of microphones at every opportunity they wouldn’t be in the news as much as you think. Actually quite the opposite.

It’s why he does interviews with hacks like Stephen a smith.

Tell me. What would they talk about if the Cowboys stopped talking? Jerry took a long break from microphones last off season. Guess what? The cowboys weren’t in the news cycle until they traded for Pickens. After the draft.

 

[Reid1boys]

Wrong.

Jerry needs to keep the cowboys in the news. Their play on the field keeps them out of it.

All anyone was talking about this offseason was how bad the defense was.

If Jerry stopped stepping in front of microphones at every opportunity they wouldn’t be in the news as much as you think. Actually quite the opposite.

It’s why he does interviews with hacks like Stephen a smith.

Tell me. What would they talk about if the Cowboys stopped talking? Jerry took a long break from microphones last off season. Guess what? The cowboys weren’t in the news cycle until they traded for Pickens. After the draft.

I dont know what world you live in . EVERY free agent that hits the market is supposedly headed to Dallas.
How many different trade scenarios you think you are going to see between now and the draft about the Jets? How many you think you are going to see about the Cowboys.
4 teams have used the tag this season. Pitts, Jones, and Breece Hall. How much talk you seeing about those guys?
I dont watch those shows on ESPN or Fox anymore, but my guess is if I looked between Friday and Today, Id likely see a few segments on the Cowboys and Pickens and none on the other guys.

 

[deerhunter11]

He has Adam Prasifka to handle contacts and the cap. People call Stephen “Cap Boy” but that’s actually Prasifka who was a Razorback equipment manager and has never had anything other than internships and that job before Jerry hired him $26 years ago.

So, that the true guy he forces agents to deal with. Don’t listen to that other guy. Jerry said himself he doesn’t talk to agents and in the Micah press conference when he started to insult agents and said he does all the deals himself with the player, Stephen cut him off and said “we understand the agent needs to eh uncorked and we encourage players to use an agent if they prefer. Our team has had many successful contracts negotiators firstly with agents”. He mentored Tyler Smith I believe as someone who said “talk to my agent.”

The problem is that Jerry, being the snake he is, likes to have a “conversation” with the player. He’ll send the wife or mama out shopping or to a fancy meal while he and the player have drinks and he casually brings up the r contract and before you know it, it’s 60 years and $20b dollars of experience going against a guy whose barely negotiated a car lease.

He considers this “good bidness” and I’m sure it gives his wrinkled old self a little thrill every time he pulls it off

Are you serious an Arkansas equipment manager handles contracts and the cap, this is crazy. Wow

 

[Loso86]

Could someone please help me understand why we do this, why we think this is some kind of special tactic to use? I'm sure "other teams do this too" but we're focusing on the cowboys. What is the reasoning, has the player not shown enough, is it the agent, is it both, or the Cowboys just aren't sure the player fits in their plans?

It's kind of hard to believe as the Cowboys have great things to say about every player. If you ask them, you always hear positive feedback on how they WANT said player to return and play for them, yet they stall and take their time. I realize it's good to see what the market is set at, but find out what the market is, and get the player signed. Often times we run the price up by waiting too long, doing the opposite of what we want to do. We all know they're cheap, yet they wait and wait things out, only to see the price increase! Please give your thoughts on this

Maybe they just dont wanna sign him

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Could someone please help me understand why we do this, why we think this is some kind of special tactic to use? I'm sure "other teams do this too" but we're focusing on the cowboys. What is the reasoning, has the player not shown enough, is it the agent, is it both, or the Cowboys just aren't sure the player fits in their plans?

It's kind of hard to believe as the Cowboys have great things to say about every player. If you ask them, you always hear positive feedback on how they WANT said player to return and play for them, yet they stall and take their time. I realize it's good to see what the market is set at, but find out what the market is, and get the player signed. Often times we run the price up by waiting too long, doing the opposite of what we want to do. We all know they're cheap, yet they wait and wait things out, only to see the price increase! Please give your thoughts on this

its over a few million per year, which at the end it always cost them more. they did it with Dak the first time, the second time and third time now. they did it with CD and made the mistake with Parsons, who got upset and got traded. its stupid. they could have signed pickens for about 32/33 average, but probably wanted to pay around 29... so now, they are cornered. if he is to sign, it will cost upwards of 39-42M. and they won't pay that, so now we are going to draft a WR high, because we won't want to pay pickens, will be happy with a 3rd pick in return.

its stupid negotiation tactics by Stephen, always wanting to save a couple of mill!!! and it always costs them more.

stupid. stupid. stupid.

 

[TheDuke]

Could someone please help me understand why we do this, why we think this is some kind of special tactic to use? I'm sure "other teams do this too" but we're focusing on the cowboys. What is the reasoning, has the player not shown enough, is it the agent, is it both, or the Cowboys just aren't sure the player fits in their plans?

It's kind of hard to believe as the Cowboys have great things to say about every player. If you ask them, you always hear positive feedback on how they WANT said player to return and play for them, yet they stall and take their time. I realize it's good to see what the market is set at, but find out what the market is, and get the player signed. Often times we run the price up by waiting too long, doing the opposite of what we want to do. We all know they're cheap, yet they wait and wait things out, only to see the price increase! Please give your thoughts on this

Spoon feeding time.

It's never one reason. It could be the player and his agent holding out when a good offer is on the table. It could be the Jones' not wanting to pay a fair price. It could be both parties waiting for another player to reset the market. It could be because there may be better options in the draft.

I know fans, like yourself, focus on the low hanging fruit and assume the Jones's control the timing ALL of the time, and they have certainly been guilty of that, but each case is different.

I also know this won't help you understand one bit, because if you didn't already know, me telling you won't do any good.

 

[Mcsports]

Jerry and Co make a lot of mistakes. But they also get blamed for a lot of things that they have no control over. In order to get a deal done the player has to want to sign and then does.

I don’t know why Jerry and co get blamed when a player clearly is holding out and playing the waiting game. What makes that Jerry’s fault?

That’s an emotional response by fans.

Excellent response.
It's hilarious when posters come up with: "If Jerry can go ahead and sign so-so a year or two early, he can save millions and millions."
Well, the agents know that as well. The agents want their clients to hold out for top dollar, not cave in and sign early.

 

[plasticman]

The Cowboys contract system revolves around the individual player and not the salary cap. It's as if they are totally unrelated.

There should be no negotiation. An evaluation of the player and his contribution to the team should be assessed before the end of his previous contract.

The player should be offered an amount based on his expected level of contribution during the length of a new contract and the status of their salary cap.

They should offer him that amount immediately when appropriate, take it or leave it. If the answer is "no", wish him the best of luck and move on.

The salary cap is like a pie, each player gets a slice. If one player takes a bigger slice than they deserve then another player gets offered less than they deserve.

The problem with the Cowboys is that they are never prepared to lose a player with another option.

This was clear, not once, but twice in Dak's contracts. They were actually given four years to produce an alternative to Dak ridiculous contract and they did next to nothing.

When the Patriots had the best quarterback in the league, they still drafted quarterbacks an average of every other year.

 

[phildadon86]

I dont know what world you live in . EVERY free agent that hits the market is supposedly headed to Dallas.
How many different trade scenarios you think you are going to see between now and the draft about the Jets? How many you think you are going to see about the Cowboys.
4 teams have used the tag this season. Pitts, Jones, and Breece Hall. How much talk you seeing about those guys?
I dont watch those shows on ESPN or Fox anymore, but my guess is if I looked between Friday and Today, Id likely see a few segments on the Cowboys and Pickens and none on the other guys.

That’s Twitter. Not the news.

Agents use the cowboys to drive the price up. Knowing they don’t want to come to this absolute farce of a team. To be viewed while working out and eating lunch while the owner lands his helicopter mid practice.

That’s not being in the news. That’s being made fun of.

There’s a difference.