Twitter: Dak Prescott owns the NFC East

[GINeric]

I’ve noticed anytime you have a good rebuttal the response is ignored or they pretend they don’t see it lol.

EXAAAAAACTLY!!!

And the most hilarious thing about it is, I mentally whoop their ***es with the narratives THEY created. Sometimes I can't believe how easy it is to crush their lil logic using the same narratives that they created.

 

[Vtwin]

Just for ***** and giggles.... lets say, we made it to the Superbowl this year and our kicker misses a 60 yard in the last few seconds for the win.

Most fanbases would blame that kicker who missed the fg, but who do you believe most people here, FROM WHAT YOU READ DAILY, would blame for the loss?

(I'll give you a lifeline hint) and this is for 5000 Dollars here on Cowboys Jeopardy.

These same folks blamed this player for us failing to make the playoffs last season despite him playing on a offensive unit that ranked top 5, he was top 5 at his position and the team he played on had a 32nd ranked defense..... here's your last hint. He's not a defense player....

(In my Alex Trebek voice)

I see my logic and reason has you on the run to the point you're responding with silly and nonsensical hypotheticals that have far more to do with the fans than the game.

First, you're building a strawman. The number of fans here that blame the QB entirely for not making the playoffs, or even for any given individual loss, is next to zero. As Steve and others have pointed out repeatedly, you are confusing criticism of the QB with exoneration of all other relevant factors. As you yourself constantly remind us, it is a team game so therefore it stands to reason that there can be multiple reasons for any outcome, good or bad.

Second, i can only speak for myself and will not speculate on what anyone else will think in your hypothetical situation. As for what I would think in that situation? I've already answered that in the post you replied to.

Judges - Do I get my 5 grand?

 

[OGSixshooter]

You'd probably want to avoid interfering in holding people accountable for "not answering questions", because I silenced you with just one or two simple questions using your own logic/narratives and you've avoided me like you owe me money.

Why do some of you run, duck and hide from questions thats formatted in the narratives you created? Ive never understood that.

This can't be directed at me...as the post you are quoting was not directed at you.

Name one question I've ducked. I have plenty of threads where you just stopped responding...which is fine by me.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wouldn't you say most of those games came in the playoffs? Both SF games, the Packers game...and even the Rams game...Dak was atrocious.

Yes and n9. He has had bad games during season too.

The packers game was a total debacle offense, defense, coaching. Every single ayer, Dak included.

There were moments in both SF games where he did play well, also not play well. The second game was offensive e and defensive debacle . Forexample Diggs dropped a sure interception in side the 5, next play SF scored and took the lead. He also missed a big tackle against their TE on a big long reception that switched the field.

My point, there were plays to be had. We needed someone to step up and nobody did.

You like to put it singularly on Dak, but I saw multiple players choke

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Every NFL calendar does not end with the regular season. The OP tweet singled out one player and assigned a win/loss record over NFC East opponents during the regular season only. My comment was:



I substituted what the four NFC East teams did in the postseason during the same timeframe. Postseason will always be more relevant for every team in every team sport having a postseason. In truth, I have "razed" every annual incarnation Jerry Jones has overseen and trotted out onto the field since Jimmy Johnson influence on it died, which includes 2016 to this very day.

Nowhere in this thread have I isolated and slighted Dak Prescott. In fact, you and every single individual on Earth will be hard-pressed to find a significant number of posts where I have demeaned or belittled or have even done the "2-5 thang" as a negative towards him alone on this site.

Heck, I call the man Dak Prescott. Not Dak. I do not know the man. I was raised to call people by their entire name or last name if I use their names. That is my way of respecting him and anyone else. For the love of pete, I 99% call Jerry Jones Jerry Jones or Jones. And whenever I do disrespect that guy, I usually call him Mad Genius.

Not everyone here engages in these quarterback reindeer games, but dismiss my reply as a total lie. Some people in this world cannot help themselves.



CowboysZone

My.point is that the issue with Dallas is not recent. Its a long running issue. In fact we are.bottom 3 in playoff performance over the 30 years. You choose to fixate on a specific time frame. I like to look at the bigger picture.

 

[Vtwin]

Great points, but all elite, clutch quarterbacks aren't guaranteed to win a Superbowl.... and all Superbowl winning quarterbacks weren't always elite or clutch.

Now elite and clutch quarterbacks do increase your chances.

Normally I wouldn't respond to such an obvious attempt at moving the goalposts. Especially one that is so unimaginative. But since you and tmc are backslapping each other about nonresponses to this type of silliness as a sign of defeat and hiding from accountability I will respond just this once.

My response is, this has nothing to do with any point I have made or responded to.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No. You don't got it. In fact, you're doing exactly what i'm not doing.

Dak didn't "go against a HOF type QB". Dak went against the 32 ranked pass defense. Dak had a first down inside the 15 and threw three straight incompletions resulting in 3 instead of 7. Giving him a pass because he was a rookie is just so Dak apologetic.

Still, he had another chance with the game on the line. He went three and out. Wasted 1st down to stop the clock instead of just handing the ball to his all world running back behind his all world line against the tired and rushed defense. (Remember that decision when Rodgers had time to light up the defense for the game winning FG.) Ended up settling for the FG to tie the game.

By the way. The defense actually almost saved Daks butt after he threw that horrible, completely telegraphed int. They got a pick of their own on the ensuing GB drive to give Dak another chance, which he squandered.

ONE play from Dak secures the win. He had the running game going. He had the o-line going. He choked away the first half (as usual) and fell short on a comeback (as usual) even though the cards fell in his favor.

Gaslighting me by repeating the revisionist history that I don't share the blame with the defense is just more irrational apologist behavior. Either you can't or won't read because I clearly identified the "other weakness" as the defense.

It comes down to the fact that you excuse Dak for being a rookie. Just another excuse. Dak had a better defense than Rodgers did. If Dak wasn't up to the task he shouldn't have been out there. He was out there though so the rookie excuse just doesn't fly.

Dak was just as big a reason for not winning that game as the defense was.

And no. They didn't score enough points to win. That's why they lost.

We dcor3d enough poi ts to win.

Again. You are still talking about a rookie and nit picking a specific series.

The fact we had 3 chances to make one.defensive stop by not giving up three big plays doesn't change.

Again tou like to have a singular poi t to blame, a rookie no less, I look at the bigger picture.

In fact 99.99% of this board ga I've up on the season after Romo injury...yet we hosted a home playoff game. But yeah let's pick on one specific set of downs.and blame the rookie because hey, over the past decade I have developed DDS and even though during that playoff game you were celebrating Dallas winning the division and playing in a playoff game, scoring enough to win it but falling short.

You decided to follow the cmhate Dak crowd instead, regurgigating the same things over and over again...I stead of

 

[McKDaddy]

It does quite often come down to individual plays that ultimately decide the outcome. Your Norwood example is a perfect example. Is the loss entirely on him? Heck no. Any other teammate could have made a play in the preceding 60 minutes to avoid the need for that FG attempt. Did it come down to that one play? Heck yes. Did Norwood fail to make the play? Heck yes. Did the Bills ultimately lose because Norwood didn't make that play? Heck yes.

EXACTLY!!

There are games where there really isn't clear failure by any one person or group. As a collective, they failed.

There are games where certain players made mistakes, didn't try hard enough, or just didn't make the plays that could have made a difference.

It's perfectly acceptable to discuss any and all of that.

In the example above, Norwood could have erased all other issues if he makes the kick and been the hero. He would have been fine with those results, right? He didn't, so he rightfully gets a lot of criticism. Not all but a lot. So, he's gotta make peace with that as well.

 

[GINeric]

Normally I wouldn't respond to such an obvious attempt at moving the goalposts. Especially one that is so unimaginative. But since you and tmc are backslapping each other about nonresponses to this type of silliness as a sign of defeat and hiding from accountability I will respond just this once.

My response is, this has nothing to do with any point I have made or responded to.

Whoa.... moving goalposts? I definitely don't do that. Real life facts isn't moving goalposts.

You know an example of goalpost moving and you see it around here ALOT!!! Moving goalposts around here is saying one quarterback is responsible for everything under the sun thats team, coaching and franchise related....

Then giving excuses like bad franchise, bad coaching, injuries, bad management to other quarterbacks "with better talent" league wide under the same results.

Thats goalpost moving.....

 

[blueblood70]

His overall record is 83-55-1. Meaning his record against non-division teams is 46-45-1.

46-45-1!!! Let that sink in.

Of course, don't forget his infamous 2-5 playoff record.

You spelled HIS wrong, it's TEAM , TEAM records were what again?

All those things are team records not his record alone, They come with the other 62 players on the team in any given year or if you just want to use 52 not count the practice squad, not count coaching staffs...

And it's as if Prescott builds his own team and he plays all positions He has control of the whole group and has control of all the things that happen in a game..


The irony of this I knew before I opened there would be five people are going to post and it's going to probably end up at 15 pages before tomorrow all saying the same redundant things ,every time somebody tries to praise Prescott the same people come in and try to lift their leg on it, , and they forget that these records belong to the damn teams whatever teams those were back in 2016 and whatever they were each year after, changes every year including the coaching Staffs and somehow Matt EberPoos being the most horrible coach on the planet helped us lose a bunch of games in which Prescott scored over 30 points, you got that you get it let it sink in!!!

 

[blueblood70]

Yet one of the NFC East QBs OWN a Superbowl!! None of this stat stuff means anything

you spelled QB wrong, its spelled TEAM ONE NFCE TEAM Owns a SB...OL, RB, TE WRs an Defense, oh wait coaching staffs..

It's funny that Prescott can get a record like that against the NFC E and usually splits or even sometimes sweeps Philadelphia , So this Super Bowl team you speak of just take out hurts put in Prescott and if you think anything changes like they would have lost because of Prescott you're delusional as everyone else is going to try to **** all over this damn positive threat about Prescott because you're the same five guys you come in and try to sell us on the aspect of individuals versus we know Prescott can play when the rest of the team shows up and plays just like Jalen hurts..

Just like Roger just like Troy who are never asked to carry the team who just played a big role in the team it's a team concept wins and losses and big games and playoffs are all about the team

Matthew Stafford has a Super Bowl ring even though he led the league in interceptions and threw two interceptions in the Super Bowl because of how great his coaching staff and his defense and the players around him made sure they didn't make him the scapegoat for that loss or any losses because that's how great a team they had he did not play perfect and he didn't need to but Prescott somehow needs to play perfect in order to get any when in the playoffs because if he doesn't he gets to blame..NEXT

 

[ratkinson]

And...

 

[ratkinson]

And...

I think I'll sit this one out.

 

[5Stars]

Just for ***** and giggles.... lets say, we made it to the Superbowl this year and our kicker misses a 60 yard in the last few seconds for the win.

Most fanbases would blame that kicker who missed the fg, but who do you believe most people here, FROM WHAT YOU READ DAILY, would blame for the loss?

(I'll give you a lifeline hint) and this is for 5000 Dollars here on Cowboys Jeopardy.

These same folks blamed this player for us failing to make the playoffs last season despite him playing on a offensive unit that ranked top 5, he was top 5 at his position and the team he played on had a 32nd ranked defense..... here's your last hint. He's not a defense player....

(In my Alex Trebek voice)

Make no mistake about it, last year, team wise, it was the defense that sucked the life out of the "team". On the flip side, the playoff game agains the Packers, the 7th seed, Dak, with no pressure, gave the Packers 14 right out the gate. Had that not happened, maybe, just maybe the Cowboys would have won that game.

 

[Vtwin]

Whoa.... moving goalposts? I definitely don't do that. Real life facts isn't moving goalposts.

No. Relevant facts don't move goalposts. Irrelevant facts (such as the ones you used) most certainly do. What any other QB's did or didn't so whether considered elite or not, clutch or not, has absolutely no bearing on what any other QB does when it's his turn in the spotlight.

ou know an example of goalpost moving and you see it around here ALOT!!! Moving goalposts around here is saying one quarterback is responsible for everything under the sun thats team, coaching and franchise related....

Same old tired strawman. Next to nobody is saying this. Nobody. You're going to need to prove that to be true before it accepted as fact.

Then giving excuses like bad franchise, bad coaching, injuries, bad management to other quarterbacks "with better talent" league wide under the same results.

I couldn't care less about any other QB's or franchises when it comes to looking at the Cowboys franchise or QB. If others do that it has no bearing on me or this discussion about how Prescott performed in the specific situations being talked about in this discussion.

 

[5Stars]

Oh, one more thing before I go to band practice, last season Dak, in my opinion, played one of the best ball I have ever seen him play. So, he does deserve credit for that in my eyes.

Now, if he and the rest of the offense can do that again and the defense steps it up and does their part, hell, the Cowboys could shock the World!! lol

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

EXACTLY!!

There are games where there really isn't clear failure by any one person or group. As a collective, they failed.

There are games where certain players made mistakes, didn't try hard enough, or just didn't make the plays that could have made a difference.

It's perfectly acceptable to discuss any and all of that.

In the example above, Norwood could have erased all other issues if he makes the kick and been the hero. He would have been fine with those results, right? He didn't, so he rightfully gets a lot of criticism. Not all but a lot. So, he's gotta make peace with that as well.

Exactly. It's not always clear cut. There's a lot of chaos theory going around, but in my veiled reference that water STILL goes to the lowest point.

We have highlights and MVPs for a reason...which @GINeric still will not answer after multiple questions. Can't say I blame him. An individual award for a TEAM GAME? How can that be.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

EXAAAAAACTLY!!!

And the most hilarious thing about it is, I mentally whoop their ***es with the narratives THEY created. Sometimes I can't believe how easy it is to crush their lil logic using the same narratives that they created.

It be easy and their MO when they get cooked is to completely ignore and claim you are gaslighting….or they will claim you aren’t answering their rhetorical questions….

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Oh, one more thing before I go to band practice, last season Dak, in my opinion, played one of the best ball I have ever seen him play. So, he does deserve credit for that in my eyes.

Now, if he and the rest of the offense can do that again and the defense steps it up and does their part, hell, the Cowboys could shock the World!! lol

Yes....It's unfortunate you have to stop and spell that out. Even mountaineer gave Dak credit...that one time.

I am really trying hard to understand dthe notion you can;t criticize Dak for anything becuase it's a team game...I guess ESPN needs to close it's doors.

 

[GINeric]

No. Relevant facts don't move goalposts. Irrelevant facts (such as the ones you used) most certainly do. What any other QB's did or didn't so whether considered elite or not, clutch or not, has absolutely no bearing on what any other QB does when it's his turn in the spotlight.

Same old tired strawman. Next to nobody is saying this. Nobody. You're going to need to prove that to be true before it accepted as fact.

I couldn't care less about any other QB's or franchises when it comes to looking at the Cowboys franchise or QB. If others do that it has no bearing on me or this discussion about how Prescott performed in the specific situations being talked about in this discussion.

There are 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL. There are 32 professional football teams in the NFL. Whatever standards/narratives are set in place for one quarterback, those same narratives will be used for all quarterbacks. This place is for entertainment. It is entertaining exposing double standards and hypocrisy of trolls and the other bunch with low football IQs and its entertaining to talk real football with intelligent people with higher football IQs whether we both agree on topics or not. I respect most of them because atleast they present arguments that isn't laced with lies, hypocrisy/double standards.



So If it doesn't apply, let it fly....