If Flournoy has a dynamic season, does it affect Pickens being here long term?

[JoeKing]

I don’t think you were getting the point he was trying to make

He’s taking about the relative amount of prime years you get each under contract where you can expect their best performance.

Fluornoy still has two years left on his current deal so he will will be 28 when he starts a new contract. Once Fluornoy gets to the end of a new deal he will be 32. Thats not young at all.

There’s also an assumption that Fluornoy still has significant untapped upside, while there’s a solid argument that what you see is what you get.

Age for first NFL game
Fluornoy: 24 years, 345 days!
Pickens: 21 years, 167 days

Fluornoy was old when he came into the league and his lack of distinction or achievement as a comparison is really no comparison at all

If genius Jerry would have done what he should have done, Pickens would be in the first year of a new contract at at 25 and be finished at 29. You’d get the entire meat of his prime and could then decide what to do.

I saw how he fudged the numbers and dismissed Flo being cheap for two more years. What happens after that is a different problem for a different time. Flo is coming around and he was never "old". GP was a knucklehead in PIT but you want to ignore his history. 2026 GP was a fluke. Jerry did the right thing to make GP prove himself as not a fluke.

 

[Coogiguy03]

I think this was their plan from the beginning if he balled out and they are sticking to it. I'm not saying it's a good plan. Just typical 2D thinking for the Joneses.

Who does that though rent a player

 

[LouBrown]

For him to get 1000 yards all the TEs are going to have to die or Lamb or Pickens are going to have to miss the season.

Not really. It's basically just tolberts targets and a bit less of ferguson.

 

[SoupcanSam]

I simply don't see a world where Flournoy replaces Pickens or Ceedee.

If flo has a great season and the cowboys feel they can get a discount instead of paying pickens? I would strongly be against something like that, but its such a cowboys thing that could happen. My opinions are my opinions, but the FO has a level of stupidity that it can get to.

 

[Relayer]

I saw how he fudged the numbers and dismissed Flo being cheap for two more years. What happens after that is a different problem for a different time. Flo is coming around and he was never "old". GP was a knucklehead in PIT but you want to ignore his history. 2026 GP was a fluke. Jerry did the right thing to make GP prove himself as not a fluke.

Did he look like a fluke to you? He looked like a #1 receiver to me.

Who does that though rent a player

Like I said, I don't think it's a good plan. I think it's an option that seemed reasonable when they first looked at it. Then he did what he did when Ceedee was out. That would have made me reevaluate. But not the Joneses.

Not really. It's basically just tolberts targets and a bit less of ferguson.

There was a bit of hyperbole there in case you missed it. The other option is Dak throws for 5K yards. There's just not enough balls to go around.

If flo has a great season and the cowboys feel they can get a discount instead of paying pickens? I would strongly be against something like that, but its such a cowboys thing that could happen. My opinions are my opinions, but the FO has a level of stupidity that it can get to.

If we have to account for Jerry's stupidity in all our opinions I might rather shoot myself.

 

[Stash]

 

[Stash]

So Jerry guaranteed he'd add guaranteed Comp in the FA market for him next year? That's the dumbest thing I've heard ever.

I’m not following you.

 

[Stash]

The difference as has been pointed out is the age difference during their next contract.

Is it going to change from 1 year and 4 months apart?

 

[Relayer]

I agree with all of this somewhat........as mentioned, they are paying TWO WRs top money after this season. I'm just not convinced Pickens will be odd one out if they BOTH have an All-Pro-type season. Maybe it's just me but I sense stronger chemistry between Dak and Pickens

Dak always has stronger chemistry with guys playing for a contract. For the brotherhood and all that stuff. Plus there has been tension between Ceedee and him in the past.

I’m not following you.

If Jerry promised not to sign him this year and not to tag him next year then he's guaranteeing Pickens reaches FA. That would explain the lack of drama from Pickens this year. I would take that offer if I was Pickens in a NY minute. But no way I'd offer it if I was the team. Give away leverage before a negotiation? Not smart.

Is it going to change from 1 year and 4 months apart?

The starting date isn't the same. So yes it's more than 1 year 4 months apart. Don't make me do the math. It's been posted and it'll make my head hurt.

Lamb & Pickens are speed where as Ryan Flournoy is a physical possession YAC receiver . Can’t compare the first two to # 19 . Personally the goal is a SB trophy I want all three on this roster to give opposing DC’s big headaches .

Didn’t Howie Roseman keep Smith Brown Goedert plus Barkley on the payroll to win a SB . The Jones brain thrust needs to keep the talent not send it out of town .

You don't think Ceedee is a physical receiver? He's not Dez or Evans, but he's fearless and you need to put effort into tackling him.

Lamb & Pickens are speed where as Ryan Flournoy is a physical possession YAC receiver . Can’t compare the first two to # 19 . Personally the goal is a SB trophy I want all three on this roster to give opposing DC’s big headaches .

Didn’t Howie Roseman keep Smith Brown Goedert plus Barkley on the payroll to win a SB . The Jones brain thrust needs to keep the talent not send it out of town .

Is there a Barkley available. Because that was what put them over the top.

You have an argument.

He's still cheap until 2028. GP will be long gone by then.

And we might get lucky and have 1 more playoff win by then. When will we run out of lipstick to put on this pig.

If flo has a great season and the cowboys feel they can get a discount instead of paying pickens? I would strongly be against something like that, but its such a cowboys thing that could happen. My opinions are my opinions, but the FO has a level of stupidity that it can get to.

Just like the post you replied to was simply mine, not the FO's. But I actually think we're in agreement on Flournoy and Pickens.

 

[Stash]

If Jerry promised not to sign him this year and not to tag him next year then he's guaranteeing Pickens reaches FA. That would explain the lack of drama from Pickens this year. I would take that offer if I was Pickens in a NY minute. But no way I'd offer it if I was the team. Give away leverage before a negotiation? Not smart.

That’s the thing. I believe that the Cowboys realize that they can’t afford Lamb and Pickens long term. So they’re not going to try.

It’s why they tagged Pickens for just one year at a below market cost instead of a long term deal at the current rates.

And I think that agreement is why Pickens and his agent quickly decided to play nice and sign the tag.

 

[Stash]

The starting date isn't the same. So yes it's more than 1 year 4 months apart. Don't make me do the math. It's been posted and it'll make my head hurt.

Their age difference will always be the same.

 

[Relayer]

That’s the thing. I believe that the Cowboys realize that they can’t afford Lamb and Pickens long term. So they’re not going to try.

It’s why they tagged Pickens for just one year at a below market cost instead of a long term deal at the current rates.

And I think that agreement is why Pickens and his agent quickly decided to play nice and sign the tag.

I don't agree they can't afford it. It's how you structure the contracts. And the Cowboys only know how to back load them and then restructure to push out even more money. They need to draw up every contract with the thought of, how do I get out of this if I need to. That thought never seems to cross their minds.

 

[Relayer]

Their age difference will always be the same.

Not when their next contracts end. Are you really not understanding that? Or simply trying to argue a point nobody made?

 

[Kwyn]

You don't think Ceedee is a physical receiver? He's not Dez or Evans, but he's fearless and you need to put effort into tackling him.

Not really. He can take a hit, sure, but he would much rather avoid contact. He’s also not particularly known for fighting for contested balls.

 

[RonWashington]

Is there a Barkley available. Because that was what put them over the top.

I like Dallas top RB let’s see if someone on the roster can effectively spell him and not have a going off the cliff drop off .

 

[Stash]

I don't agree they can't afford it. It's how you structure the contracts. And the Cowboys only know how to back load them and then restructure to push out even more money. They need to draw up every contract with the thought of, how do I get out of this if I need to. That thought never seems to cross their minds.

I disagree.

They’ve got big decisions and expenses coming on the defensive side of the ball.

You can’t keep everyone.

 

[Stash]

Not when their next contracts end. Are you really not understanding that? Or simply trying to argue a point nobody made?

I’m arguing that there’s not much difference in their age.

Because there isn’t.

 

[RonWashington]

You don't think Ceedee is a physical receiver? He's not Dez or Evans, but he's fearless and you need to put effort into tackling him.

For his weight the guy is fearless going over the middle I agree . Now Flournoy really gives the defender a street fight to bring him down .

 

[DarkVader33]

If Flournoy is good enough to justify walking away from Pickens, Flournoy isn't going to be cheap. He's also a lot older than Pickens.

Giving Pickens a 4-year deal that now takes him to age 29 is a lot better than giving Flournoy a 4-year deal starting in 2028 that takes him to 32

Not extending Pickens now remains the absolute worst strategy.

Flournoy is only a year older. That’s a lot?

 

[DarkVader33]

Use what resources? Pickens will only get cheaper. They have a ton of cap space right now if they want it.

If you let him go, you are creating a hole that requires either significant draft capital or significant dollars on another player.

If Flournoy is capable of being the #2, how does that create a hole? And if they tag and trade Pickens, wouldn’t that be additional resources?