Malachi Lawrence is a beast

[diamonddelts]

You can tell some couch potato members here never get to the gym.

 

[DarkVader33]

Don't turn around
(whoa, uh oh)
Der Kommissar's in town
(whoa, oh oh)

Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?

I knew it, you’re a rusky. Don’t try to deny it.

 

[DarkVader33]

Men! Men! Men!

It’s raining men - The weather girls

 

[Amarth]

Lol, you talking about QB bods. Nice. Maybe we should lump that one in with that dude talking about Nate Newton and his completely different position.

That’s the point and clearly it went right over your head. Who cares about any players physique? As long as they get the job done, they’re physique is irrelevant.

 

[DarkVader33]

Right way for what? A body builder? Look t pictures of Tom Brady, Romo, Eli Manning…they have dd bods. Look at Isiah Simmons, he was built like a beast. Pretty sure Downs doesn’t look too impressive with his shirt off.

Point being there is no “right way”, it’s how they play and that’s all that matters.

Dang, you sure know all about the shirtless men.

 

[DarkVader33]

I haven't heard any team say they had Lawrence as a first-round pick before the combine. Where's the evidence for that?

All the 9ers. And there were others

 

[gimmesix]

That's the false step, not a bend issue. Some media scouts called it an inconsistent bend which was ludicrous. They just didn't identify the issue. The Cowboys did.

I don't know how not seeing him show bend is not a bend issue. Based on what I see, it is inconsistent bend.

Would you care to explain why it is a false step issue instead of a bend issue? Because maybe I'm missing something there. I just don't see him flatten and bend back to the QB much.

 

[Kwyn]

Are you adding to your collection of shirtless football players?

Yep. Dak from last year is even more huge this year. Nothing shirtless yet but he’s reportedly gained muscle this off season

It’s just amazing how hard these guys work. There really is no off season for some of them.

 

[DarkVader33]

Team owner Jerry Jones admitted there was “a heated discussion” prior to Thursday night’s proceedings that pitted Lawrence against another player who went unnamed. When that player was selected “way earlier,” Jones said, there was consideration given to letting “the decision on Lawrence go for about eight or 10 more [picks]” as Dallas looked to trade back even further than the three spots they had already ceded in a deal with the Eagles for No. 20.

But the compensation “wasn’t there,” Jones revealed, so they turned in Lawrence’s card, confident they had gotten one of their top targets.

https://bluewaterhealthyliving.com/...boys-1st-round-pick-has-some-of-those-traits/

If we had traded back 10 picks, he would have been taken closer to the second round.

Closer to the second round is STILL the first round.

 

[gimmesix]

All the 9ers. And there were others

Before the combine? Again, I'd like to see proof of that. It appears to me that he was a second-rounder before the combine and then he ran a 4.52 40 at 6-4 3/8 and 253 pounds. I'm not saying teams didn't already consider him a first-rounder before the combine, just that I haven't seen any evidence to support that. Now, it's clear that other teams were going to take him in the first round if we didn't.

 

[DarkVader33]

Touche’

Not bad, but he is only 206, I’m more impressed with the bigger guys who have that physique. Maybe I’m just biased because I’m 6’2, 260 and looked like that well into my 30’s but I clearly didn’t have the athletic skills he did.

I feel the same way about shorter guys who brag about squatting or benching XYZ pounds when they only have to push 8-12 inches. For the record, I’m an absolute HUGE Downs fan but it has nothing to do with how ripped or muscular he is. Using a players physique or strength as a measure to get giddy as how good they can be is ridiculous.

I think it’s the shirtless part that is getting some giddy.

 

[stiletto]

I'd prefer to see him play a few games. In the words of one Big Tuna, "put away the anointing oil".

 

[DarkVader33]

Before the combine? Again, I'd like to see proof of that. It appears to me that he was a second-rounder before the combine and then he ran a 4.52 40 at 6-4 3/8 and 253 pounds. I'm not saying teams didn't already consider him a first-rounder before the combine, just that I haven't seen any evidence to support that. Now, it's clear that other teams were going to take him in the first round if we didn't.

Yes you’re right that we don’t have any evidence. However, you don’t have any evidence indicating how teams viewed him. You’re only going off of the talking heads. I don’t know how much importance you put on them but I put almost nothing.

 

[Amarth]

You can tell some couch potato members here never get to the gym.

Exactly, I live in the DFW area. I don’t consider myself some stud, I’m 6’2 ~260 with relatively low body fat. I’ve worked out around a lot of NFL guys who I didn’t even know were NFL guys until someone else said something. They looked like average dudes, pushing “average” weight but it’s not like I ever thought I had more skill then them once I found out who they were.

Point being, their physique and strength had nothing to do with how good they were on the field.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't know how not seeing him show bend is not a bend issue. Based on what I see, it is inconsistent bend.

Would you care to explain why it is a false step issue instead of a bend issue? Because maybe I'm missing something there. I just don't see him flatten and bend back to the QB much.

The false step allows the OL to get position (and takes away the angle)on him and there is no way to bend around a OT that already is in position. It negates his explosiveness. On the bend. How in the world can it be inconsistent? You either are really good at it or you aren't.

 

[gimmesix]

Yes you’re right that we don’t have any evidence. However, you don’t have any evidence indicating how teams viewed him. You’re only going off of the talking heads. I don’t know how much importance you put on them but I put almost nothing.

That's fair. It's hard to say where teams had him, unless they tell us. I think the first post I responded to about his value was just to point out that we don't know if he was a first-round value before the combine. He could have been, but I haven't seen anyone say he was. It is clear that he was going to be taken at some point in the first round even if we did not take him. The only thing I was trying to say is many in the media had him as a second-rounder, so we don't know if it's a case where he performed so well at the combine that it upped his stock or teams considered him a first-rounder before that.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'd prefer to see him play a few games. In the words of one Big Tuna, "put away the anointing oil".

He was a steroid user and the nfl was testing at that time. The guy was stuggling to stay near 300 after that. Same thing happened to Danny Noonan.

 

[DarkVader33]

That's fair. It's hard to say where teams had him, unless they tell us. I think the first post I responded to about his value was just to point out that we don't know if he was a first-round value before the combine. He could have been, but I haven't seen anyone say he was. It is clear that he was going to be taken at some point in the first round even if we did not take him. The only thing I was trying to say is many in the media had him as a second-rounder, so we don't know if it's a case where he performed so well at the combine that it upped his stock or teams considered him a first-rounder before that.

That’s completely fair and I agree.

 

[Kwyn]

Touche’

Not bad, but he is only 206, I’m more impressed with the bigger guys who have that physique. Maybe I’m just biased because I’m 6’2, 260 and looked like that well into my 30’s but I clearly didn’t have the athletic skills he did.

I feel the same way about shorter guys who brag about squatting or benching XYZ pounds when they only have to push 8-12 inches. For the record, I’m an absolute HUGE Downs fan but it has nothing to do with how ripped or muscular he is. Using a players physique or strength as a measure to get giddy as how good they can be is ridiculous.

Well, it’s not fair for us to compare him to Kyle Hamilton which is the body type you are describing. That guy is an outlier and an athletic freak, pretty much one of one right now and the best safety in football.

Ravens struck gold. He’s like a reincarnation of Sean Taylor.

But, he’s a “big nickel” or “Star”, to use Saban’s language.

Saban is the godfather of this type of safety play that is the new normal for NFL teams. Sabans schemes and terminology are a huge influence and a big part of the current resurgence of the safety positions as teams try to counter all the spread offenses.

Some teams are now starting to run more “heavy” packages with two tight ends and that will benefit a guy like Hamilton even more but Downs skills are also a good counter although high pointing will not be easy.

Caleb’s comp, both body type and skillet is closer to Xavier McKinney. Caleb plays a little more physical than McKinney and is likely to play a little closer to the line if Parker builds the defensive backfield around his strengths but McKinney will likely continue to be a bit better in coverage downfield.

If our best case is Xavier McKinney that would be awesome.

Here’s a chart. I had an ai tool format it based on the above but they get the formatting right and it looks much better than what we can do easily with the forum tools.

Also sorry to all for taking up half a page on safety talk in a Lawrence thread but Downs was mentioned and it’s a current passion so I can’t help myself

 

[gimmesix]

The false step allows the OL to get position (and takes away the angle)on him and there is no way to bend around a OT that already is in position. It negates his explosiveness. On the bend. How in the world can it be inconsistent? You either are really good at it or you aren't.

On highlights that I watched, when he had the edge on the tackle, he wasn't able to bend back to the QB. He circled. I don't think it is true that you are either really good at bend or aren't. It's like any other skill. There are times you get it right and there are other times you get it wrong because there is technique involved as well as physical ability. I didn't see too many times where it appeared he got it right. I'm not saying he can't do it, just that I didn't see it much in the clips I've seen. I didn't watch every snap of the player, though.