Someone told me Cowboys didnt need to play the 4-3, wrong move, now what do you say?

Manwiththeplan

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To me, I just see Monte Kiffen > Rob Ryan. We won last night because the emphasis on turnovers. I don't think we pressured any more than we did when we were healthy (week 1 vs Giants) and we gave up a ton of passing yards.
 

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I remember last year, that I had mentioned Cowboys would be better off playing the 4-3, but several guys told me, I was wrong. Cowboys needed to stay in the 3-4 defense, now what do you say?

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I'd say hold off on the chest thumping cuz it's only week 1. And we also gave up 450 yards passing and 4 TDs to ShEli.

Settle down.
 

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Eli has always had our defenses number. As to the OP last night proved nothing when comparing the 4-3 to the 3-4. What it did show is a coaching change.
 

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Now why do u feel compelled to make such a smart aleck remark?

This makes sense now. It occurs to me what the problem is.

You see, when I posted the original comment about sounding like me, I meant that in passing as a joke. Then when I followed up with the comment that undoubtedly offended you, it was again referencing the same joke .

If we were having a conversation, you would have gotten my intent. But without the subtle facial cues, you took it as a slam.

Not what I meant at all.
 

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Uh, this has more to do with Marinelli and Kiffin than the 4-3.. We also played 4-3 under good old Zimmer, but couldn't generate a turnover...
 

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The Cowboys certainly did NOT create the last crucial turnover. That was blind luck. And without it, there is the very real possibility that we lose that game last night. Not that it bothers me all that much, a win is a win and that is especially true when playing division opponents. I am confident that the team will get some things corrected and will play much better in upcoming weeks. But I am also under no illusions about that sham of a game last night. That was not good football, not even close. You cannot hope for or expect to get six turnovers each game, I don't care how much they stressed that in TC. Because when it comes right down to it, a turnover is nearly always the result of a mistake, rather than solid play. So from that standpoint, yes, the Giants gave us six big gifts last night. That was a slopfest and a game in which neither team probably deserved to win. And yes, I saw much of the same last night that has doomed us in past years. Total inability to hold onto a lead, all too frequent miscommunication between QB and receivers, blown coverages, and not especially good play calling or game management. They just didn't look very prepared at all.

But again, I'll take the victory any day, especially with so much of the season left to get things right.

BUt Carr caught the ball. How many games would have neded if Newman, Sensy, scandrick, etc. had actually just caught the ball opposed to just letting it bounce through their chest
 

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BUt Carr caught the ball. How many games would have neded if Newman, Sensy, scandrick, etc. had actually just caught the ball opposed to just letting it bounce through their chest

Yep. It was a gift, but Carr takes advantage of those gifts.
 

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For the record, I still believe the 3-4 is a superior scheme. I always will. Especially after a 500 yards/30 point performance from your 4-3 defense where you happen to strip the football away to win.

Yeah I agree

Because in the 3-4, it's not like we ever had a bad game. Hell we had so many turnovers in the 3-4. I mean, what were we thinking.
 

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BUt Carr caught the ball. How many games would have neded if Newman, Sensy, scandrick, etc. had actually just caught the ball opposed to just letting it bounce through their chest

True, huge plus right there. I keep hearing how good the Bengals are going to be this year and start to believe it....

...and then I remember, Newman is one of their starting CBs. And then I don't believe it anymore.
 

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Yeah I agree

Because in the 3-4, it's not like we ever had a bad game. Hell we had so many turnovers in the 3-4. I mean, what were we thinking.

3-4 is about tricking an offense with schemes and the like. The 4-3 is about lining up mano y mano and seeing who is better. I hate tricks. Give me physical domination. Give me the 4-3, baby.
 

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Yeah I agree

Because in the 3-4, it's not like we ever had a bad game. Hell we had so many turnovers in the 3-4. I mean, what were we thinking.

Should have been thinking about getting a real NT.

Care to discuss the success of both schemes in the league the last 20 years?
 

jrumann59

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3-4 is about tricking an offense with schemes and the like. The 4-3 is about lining up mano y mano and seeing who is better. I hate tricks. Give me physical domination. Give me the 4-3, baby.

Really. Defense in the NFL is disguising your true intentions to the opposing QB and executing your true intentions at the snap of the ball, otherwise it would be the pro bowl.
 

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I'm not sure one scheme is inherently better than the other. Both have been proven to work with the right personnel/coaching.
 

cowboys2233

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Really. Defense in the NFL is disguising your true intentions to the opposing QB and executing your true intentions at the snap of the ball, otherwise it would be the pro bowl.

Defense in the NFL is about intimidation. If you have a fierce front 4 that is constantly collapsing the pocket and getting in the QB's grill, that's more effective than trying to disguise coverage, etc. with a bunch of pretty boy linebackers.
 

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Should have been thinking about getting a real NT.

Care to discuss the success of both schemes in the league the last 20 years?

I mean the Giants who 2 superbowls recently, run a 4-3. I believe the only other teams to win 2 or more SB's in the 2000 era are the Pats and Steelers. I believe the Pats early SB's in the 2000 era, they to have ran a 4-3.

Enough proof for me.
 

jrumann59

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Yeah I guess Pittsburgh did it wrong with a couple of super bowl wins.
 

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I fear for when we face teams with a real running game.
 
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