*SPOILERS*The Walking Dead Season 4– First half of season

[MichaelWinicki]

Thoughts on tonight's premier episode of the season?

 

[iceberg]

weak.

we're now setting up for the red eye stuff going on but they didn't do a good job explaining how they got where they are or how they're building their own community now. or why the knife education would be frowned upon by rick.

of who gave up guns and that was explained poorly.

and the irish/scottish chic? she looked dead from the moment you saw her.

outside of the red eye, nothing was really set up, explained, or set in motion.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Hmmmmm someone wasn't watching the game!

 

[Cowboy Brian]

weak.

we're now setting up for the red eye stuff going on but they didn't do a good job explaining how they got where they are or how they're building their own community now. or why the knife education would be frowned upon by rick.

of who gave up guns and that was explained poorly.

and the irish/scottish chic? she looked dead from the moment you saw her.

outside of the red eye, nothing was really set up, explained, or set in motion.

I didn't watch (I stopped watching when TDog died, it's a bet with my friend after I said I'd stop watching if they ever killed off TDog and when they did we refined it and I can't watch any Walking Dead after that episode until it's run as a series is completely over, it's a $250 bet. Pretty heavy).

All shows fall off, great shows such as "The West Wing" experienced a major dropoff in its fifth season (although it regained it's moxy during the sixth and seventh seasons), "Mad Men" had a bad season two, "Breaking Bad" arguably went too slow during season three and as a result had to go too fast during season four (reaching but Bad is now the gold standard for a TV series).

DR; Every show has a dropoff at somepoint, we have to hope they get their groove back by midseason. This show is such a conglomerate that it could lose 50% of its audience and still be safe for renewal. It'll have a 7-8 season run (or really however long they'd like to do it, I just don't think it'd be sustainable for 12 seasons lol)

 

[iceberg]

well on the dead, everyone dies. tonight we get introduced into a boyfriend and he dies pulling a liquor shelf off an alcoholic.

tonight was just like everyone talking but nothing really set up or explained. i found out after the show herschel got a prostetic leg on one of their "runs" but they never said a thing about it in the show.

it was just very strange, weak, and i hope recoverable.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It wasn't a strong effort IMO.

Lots of zombie action and gore, but the story side of the ledger came up short.

Yeah, some folks died, but none were around long enough to care much about. And Rick still seems a little on the unstable side.

 

[Future]

yawn....again. I dont understand why I keep watching.

 

[cowboyeric8]

I love this show, but I thought the episode was terrible. It felt like I missed out on an entire season because of holes in the story.

Also the whole store scene was complete and total crap. Those zombies had been walking on the roof for years and just when they are in the store the roof has a million holes and zombies start raining down. Then Rick with the crazy lady was a waste of time. Just a terrible episode, hope the season improves.

 

[gambit187]

Just like guys don't know about foreplay....lmao....gotta have some kind of build up...imo it was good episode...

 

[diehard2294]

I thought it was weak, hopefully it gets better. The young kid turning into a zombie could be interesting

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I love this show, but I thought the episode was terrible. It felt like I missed out on an entire season because of holes in the story.

Also the whole store scene was complete and total crap. Those zombies had been walking on the roof for years and just when they are in the store the roof has a million holes and zombies start raining down. Then Rick with the crazy lady was a waste of time. Just a terrible episode, hope the season improves.

I didn't think it was terrible, but I understand your point.

And yeah the "time-jump" kinda left a lot to be desired. We missed out on Daryl's grieving for Merle and the whole group's grieving for Andrea... On top of the various folks from Woodbury who no doubt lost folks when the Governor went on his rampage.

The roof-collapsing thing would have been more believable to me if it had been years. But even with the time-jump this zombie-apocalypse event is a couple years old at most, and I don't think the roof would have failed like that in a couple years.

The crazy lady sequence was a waste.

All this was offset for me to a certain extent with all the zombie action and the intrigue being formed about the apparent virus.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

"Meh" first episode, but those happen sometimes. Even a few of my all time fave, the Sopranos had some snoozers.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I love this show but this first show was pretty slow.

You didn't get any real explanation to anything. They've simply got animals, and crops, now, and built a lot more stuff around the prison for use and defense. They have more people now and they aquired some other new folks on runs but you don't really find much out.

Apparently Michoine is coming and going all the time and doesn't stay very long...I'm assuming she's looking for the Gov? Doesn't really explain this well. Now all the girls in the camp seem to have crushes on Darryl and you've got Carol reminding him she liked him first? WTH? Who cares? lol

Then they introduce a new boyfriend only to have him die the first episode and the girl shows absolutely zero emotion about it.

The Brittish lady just seemed like completely thrown in filler because they didn't seem to know what else to do with Rick to start the season other than to give some sort of 'lesson' that this is the way that everyone eventually winds up.

So now I'm guessing Rick is going to fight with that thought in his head all year and try and prove to himself, and everyone else, that it doesn't have to be that way. I didn't get the point of Carol being afraid of Rick knowing about the knife training? Would he really be telling them not to train people? That doesn't seem to add up.

And beyond that whats with Carl? Last season ended and he seemed completely against the idea of anyone joining them and was going toward not trusting anyone outside of the group, at all, to this season he's just ok with it. Hanging out and talking to kids and stuff and now nothing? That seemed weird to me.

I'm sure a lot of this will be explained and changed as the season goes on but that's just weird.

And being as that I've not read the comics to far (I've only read the first two volumes which I believe is the first 12 comics) I have no idea what this red eye thing is that was mentioned.

 

[Smith22]

I thought it was just OK. Pretty slow and very lacking in details.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

It was slow but it was a background and build up episode.

I don't get those that think it lacked details or were confused by it.

It was obvious from the first second that Hershel (sp?) got a prosthetic leg when he is walking without crutches. Do we need to be told or show how they got it...I don't see the need for that story but it could still happen.

The number of people have grown beyond just the people that came in from Woodbury. Again I thought that was obvious.

Part of the story with rick and the odd girl was him giving how they go about deciding what new people come in. They ask three questions to get an idea of their character. There were some other areas you can get from that part of the story as well but some are not as obvious. Like the idea that Rick is still a little crazy (having to be told to take a gun) but when push comes to shove he is not as crazy as some may think. He still uses caution and rational judgement dealing with the lady. Also the show the Walking Dead is not named for the zombies, it is named for the living. This girl was already dead, hence her appearance, and her killing herself was part of her saying it was not worth it to go on.

At the end of the last season Rick told the group that it could no longer be just him in charge like he had said in the past. Hence the reason they are now going with a Council and it is apparent that Daryl is viewed as a prominent member of that council.

Yes...Michone (sp?) is going in and out and is still out looking for the Governor.

Hershel's other daughter losing her boyfriend and not acting like much follows her character well IMO. Remember at one time she was trying to kill herself. Now I think she has let emotions go. I think the only exception to that would be her very own family (including the original group in the prison) and the baby. Beyond that I think she has hardened her self and put up her own safety walls where she can have a boyfriend or what not but knows it is probably not something that will last so is not going to be too emotional invested in a loss.

Carol telling carl not to tell his dad. I can only guess at this so it is still a bit of a mystery. My guess is that she does not want Rick to be bothered by too much as he is still dealing with things and I also think that it may still play into carl killing the boy in the last season and rick not carrying a gun outside of the fence...I think the go into more of this as the season goes on.

Carl talking or ok with some of the newer people is a logical extension. People might object to more people coming in but as they do and as he is around them he would normally grow to accept it. However even with that we see him taking his dad lesson about naming the pigs with the girls naming the walkers so he still has his hard edge.

I think the other thing about this episode is it shows the group being more lax and getting used to the long period of time with safety within the prison. It was said on the talking dead after show that there has been a 6-7 month amount of time that has passed since the arrival of the woodbury crew. So it would appear that they have grown a good deal and I think to some degree have started taken for granted the safety within the prison for a long period. Now that will change.

We know there is one or more members that are sabotaging things. We have seen the previews already of someone taking rats out by the fence to draw in more walkers. The first few minutes of the next show will show a person inside the fence feeding rats to the walkers through the fence at night.

We know that the pick died all of a sudden and now the young boy got sick rather quickly and died. Some think it might be a virus going around. I don't know if that is from later episodes of the comic book or not as I don't recall that happening in the prison. However there is something else to consider here. If someone is feeding rats to the walkers to draw more in, what about someone poisoning the pig to kill some of the food and also poisoning the boy to create a walker within the prison. This would also play into the idea that the members have that safety feeling within the and a walker in the prison in the middle of the night when all are sleeping can create a massive chaotic situation.


Oh the idea of it being kind of silly that the zombies just happened to wait until people were in the store before they fell through...I agree, but than again we have to remember we are watching a ZOMBIE SHOW lol. I would say that it is more of a stretch that nobody saw the zombies on top of the roof walking around as they drove up to the store. Nobody walking by the edges that nobody would see. But again like I said...we are watching a Zombie show and arguing about whether or not something is a stretch...kind of funny.
There are other things that slip my mind right now but maybe will think of later...besides I have rambled on way to long as it is.

 

[CowboyGil]

It was slow but it was a background and build up episode.

I don't get those that think it lacked details or were confused by it.

It was obvious from the first second that Hershel (sp?) got a prosthetic leg when he is walking without crutches. Do we need to be told or show how they got it...I don't see the need for that story but it could still happen.

The number of people have grown beyond just the people that came in from Woodbury. Again I thought that was obvious.

Part of the story with rick and the odd girl was him giving how they go about deciding what new people come in. They ask three questions to get an idea of their character. There were some other areas you can get from that part of the story as well but some are not as obvious. Like the idea that Rick is still a little crazy (having to be told to take a gun) but when push comes to shove he is not as crazy as some may think. He still uses caution and rational judgement dealing with the lady. Also the show the Walking Dead is not named for the zombies, it is named for the living. This girl was already dead, hence her appearance, and her killing herself was part of her saying it was not worth it to go on.

At the end of the last season Rick told the group that it could no longer be just him in charge like he had said in the past. Hence the reason they are now going with a Council and it is apparent that Daryl is viewed as a prominent member of that council.

Yes...Michone (sp?) is going in and out and is still out looking for the Governor.

Hershel's other daughter losing her boyfriend and not acting like much follows her character well IMO. Remember at one time she was trying to kill herself. Now I think she has let emotions go. I think the only exception to that would be her very own family (including the original group in the prison) and the baby. Beyond that I think she has hardened her self and put up her own safety walls where she can have a boyfriend or what not but knows it is probably not something that will last so is not going to be too emotional invested in a loss.

Carol telling carl not to tell his dad. I can only guess at this so it is still a bit of a mystery. My guess is that she does not want Rick to be bothered by too much as he is still dealing with things and I also think that it may still play into carl killing the boy in the last season and rick not carrying a gun outside of the fence...I think the go into more of this as the season goes on.

Carl talking or ok with some of the newer people is a logical extension. People might object to more people coming in but as they do and as he is around them he would normally grow to accept it. However even with that we see him taking his dad lesson about naming the pigs with the girls naming the walkers so he still has his hard edge.

I think the other thing about this episode is it shows the group being more lax and getting used to the long period of time with safety within the prison. It was said on the talking dead after show that there has been a 6-7 month amount of time that has passed since the arrival of the woodbury crew. So it would appear that they have grown a good deal and I think to some degree have started taken for granted the safety within the prison for a long period. Now that will change.

We know there is one or more members that are sabotaging things. We have seen the previews already of someone taking rats out by the fence to draw in more walkers. The first few minutes of the next show will show a person inside the fence feeding rats to the walkers through the fence at night.

We know that the pick died all of a sudden and now the young boy got sick rather quickly and died. Some think it might be a virus going around. I don't know if that is from later episodes of the comic book or not as I don't recall that happening in the prison. However there is something else to consider here. If someone is feeding rats to the walkers to draw more in, what about someone poisoning the pig to kill some of the food and also poisoning the boy to create a walker within the prison. This would also play into the idea that the members have that safety feeling within the and a walker in the prison in the middle of the night when all are sleeping can create a massive chaotic situation.


Oh the idea of it being kind of silly that the zombies just happened to wait until people were in the store before they fell through...I agree, but than again we have to remember we are watching a ZOMBIE SHOW lol. I would say that it is more of a stretch that nobody saw the zombies on top of the roof walking around as they drove up to the store. Nobody walking by the edges that nobody would see. But again like I said...we are watching a Zombie show and arguing about whether or not something is a stretch...kind of funny.
There are other things that slip my mind right now but maybe will think of later...besides I have rambled on way to long as it is.

Nice ramble. I agree though, do we really need a 'prosthetic leg' or 'livestock' episode? Maybe the zombie virus is becoming airborne? And you can tell some time has passed because Judith is bigger.

 

[iceberg]

bp - nice recounting of the show. wasn't there something like "you can't walk away from the things you've done"? that is likely to come back also?

also, if you're gonna get upset that "the bodies hit the floor" - my real question was, how did they get up there?

 

[Rack]

Nice ramble. I agree though, do we really need a 'prosthetic leg' or 'livestock' episode? Maybe the zombie virus is becoming airborne? And you can tell some time has passed because Judith is bigger.

Irrelevant. EVERYONE already has the virus anyway.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

bp - nice recounting of the show. wasn't there something like "you can't walk away from the things you've done"? that is likely to come back also?

also, if you're gonna get upset that "the bodies hit the floor" - my real question was, how did they get up there?

Helicopter crash would account for it. Not all would have been on the helicopter however I would imagine they could explain it by saying some people tried to get safe by getting on the roof and it only took one to die and come back to spread it. Oh and now I have that song in my head lol

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Irrelevant. EVERYONE already has the virus anyway.

Which is just another reason I think it might be someone using poison of some sort... Or the water supply is tainted.