Casserly guesses Cowboys trade up for Donald

DBOY3141 said:
If they move up do you see it taking a second round pick? If so do you see Cichton/Ford lasting all the way till the 3rd? Most mocks have them going 2nd round that I've seen.
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I think that it can be done with for a 3rd. If they only go up to say #10 or 11, that is.

Going up higher than that would probably bring the 2nd into play.

Last year, Miami went from 12 to 3 for a 2nd, and that was in a draft where not as many teams were wanting to move back.

This is a draft where many teams are wanting to move back some and if Detroit at 10 or Tenn at 11 are who we trade with, I think a 3rd will do it. Detroit likely wants a corner and they would very likely get who they would take at 10 at our #16 pick. Gilbert, and Dennard should both still be there. Good move for Detroit to get a 3rd in this deep draft and still get their corner. Word is that Tenn wants a safety and both Pryor and Dix should be there at 16.

So, if it does indeed cost a 3rd, then Dallas could easily come out of the first 3 rounds with Donald and Attaochu, or Donald and Crichton. Either one would be a homerun in my eyes. The DL would be transformed in one offseason.
 
I'm all for it. 66 TFL's career. Mind blowing. Put Melton, who I remind everybody is coming off an acl from October (not even a year), these two could make Selvie and ??? Looks fantastic!
 
What I am worried about is that it's so obvious he is the best player for us in this draft, we get fleeced. Everyone knows he is our first target. Teams are going to be calling about traded that have absolutely no interest in him. Whoever picks ahead of Chicago could really get over on us if they call.
 
I'm predicting at least two trades within the top ten this year. ATL moving up to #1 isn't a secret, but I think it's very much in play. I also don't think Oakland is going to be staying there.
 
If the Cowboys want him the have to jump above Chicago. I would be OK with that/
 
The way we waste 2nd rounders I have no problem moving up to get a guy like Donald.
 
AsthmaField said:
That's understandable and I would like Barr/Easley... just not as much as Donald/Crichton or Donald/Ford.

I absolutely think there is very little chance of Donald not being very, very good in this defense. He played exactly the position at Pitt in 2013 that he would be playing in Dallas. And he played it better than just about anyone else ever has in college.
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I would love Donald/Ford. Until recently, Ford was projected to go in the 1st round so I thought there was no chance of getting the two of them. Now, it's actually looking likely. I think Ford has looked like the best edge rusher since the Senior Bowl. He might not have ideal size but he can sure play. Lately, I've been focusing on Barr/Easley since it's looking like Donald won't fall to 16 and Easley can be just as good if he stays healthy. But I'd love Donald/Ford. I'm not so sure if I'd go Donald/Crichton. I think Crichton is the best SDE in the draft, but we have a surplus of SDEs. We really need some WDEs, which is why I'd prefer guys like Barr, Lawrence, Ford, Attachou.
 
AsthmaField said:
I think that it can be done with for a 3rd. If they only go up to say #10 or 11, that is.

Going up higher than that would probably bring the 2nd into play.

Last year, Miami went from 12 to 3 for a 2nd, and that was in a draft where not as many teams were wanting to move back.

This is a draft where many teams are wanting to move back some and if Detroit at 10 or Tenn at 11 are who we trade with, I think a 3rd will do it. Detroit likely wants a corner and they would very likely get who they would take at 10 at our #16 pick. Gilbert, and Dennard should both still be there. Good move for Detroit to get a 3rd in this deep draft and still get their corner. Word is that Tenn wants a safety and both Pryor and Dix should be there at 16.

So, if it does indeed cost a 3rd, then Dallas could easily come out of the first 3 rounds with Donald and Attaochu, or Donald and Crichton. Either one would be a homerun in my eyes. The DL would be transformed in one offseason.
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They could also swap picks later in the draft.
Dallas could give STL their 1st and 3rd for STL 1st, 5th and 6th. Actually picking up a pick in the process.
1200pts vs 1197pts.
 
AsthmaField said:
That's understandable and I would like Barr/Easley... just not as much as Donald/Crichton or Donald/Ford.

I absolutely think there is very little chance of Donald not being very, very good in this defense. He played exactly the position at Pitt in 2013 that he would be playing in Dallas. And he played it better than just about anyone else ever has in college.
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against ranked teams FSU Duke and Notre Dame
4 tackles
3 TFL
2 sacks

And none of those stats came against a quality OL in ND. 0s across the board

Thats something to look at.

Barr and Easley allday on sunday
 
LatinMind said:
against ranked teams FSU Duke and Notre Dame
4 tackles
3 TFL
2 sacks

And none of those stats came against a quality OL in ND. 0s across the board

Thats something to look at.

Barr and Easley allday on sunday
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ND did everything they could to keep Donald from wrecking their offense. Their coach called him a one man wrecking crew. If you sell out to stop a guy it creates chances for other defenders.

I understand you don't think he's very good. I do though, and I think the Cowboys do too.
 
So no one thinks that this is other teams trying to make Dallas give up a pick when they really don't have interest in the player? Everyone knows Jerry is the wheeler dealer for better or for worse and he loves being in the spotlight, no matter what. As others have pointed out, there really aren't any teams that use smaller DT's these days....it's not what the Giants typically do, not what the Bears typically do and with their defense looking to be more of a 3-4 blend the fit really isn't there.

That being said, I would have no problem using the 3rd rounder to jump up ahead of the Giants. If someone is going to take him in the top 10, so be it.
 
tideh20heel said:
The way we waste 2nd rounders I have no problem moving up to get a guy like Donald.
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I wouldn't say Lee, Carter and Escobar have been wasted picks. They obviously have room for improvement, but it's still a lot to pay for a guy that plays the same position as Melton.
 
bkight13 said:
I wouldn't say Lee, Carter and Escobar have been wasted picks. They obviously have room for improvement, but it's still a lot to pay for a guy that plays the same position as Melton.
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I'll give you Lee despite the injuries. Carter could be replaced in the draft and the Escobar pick was horrendous.
 
I value draft picks.
Stick to your draft broad & avoid the panic temptation in sacrificing a draft pick or picks for one player. Dallas has too many holes.
Let the players slide to the team at 16.

Eric DeCosta, assistant GM for the Ravens ~ "There's is a lot of luck with the draft...That's why we value picks as much as we do...The more picks you have, the more chances you have of getting lucky on a guy."
 
AsthmaField said:
ND did everything they could to keep Donald from wrecking their offense. Their coach called him a one man wrecking crew. If you sell out to stop a guy it creates chances for other defenders.

I understand you don't think he's very good. I do though, and I think the Cowboys do too.
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So any time Donald is shut down its because the whole OL is blocking him? Sorry to tell you but its going to be more of the same in the NFL. If he couldnt handle it in College what makes you think he's going to in the NFL?

I think he's good, i just dont think he's as good as he's going to be drafted. I see Sharrif Floyd part 2 type stats.
 
LatinMind said:
So any time Donald is shut down its because the whole OL is blocking him? Sorry to tell you but its going to be more of the same in the NFL. If he couldnt handle it in College what makes you think he's going to in the NFL?

I think he's good, i just dont think he's as good as he's going to be drafted. I see Sharrif Floyd part 2 type stats.
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The Floyd comparison is awful. Donald's measureables are better in every category. Floyd is 2-3 inches taller and similar weight, has a bad tendency of coming up straight out of his stance. Donald is considered one of the most explosive guys off the ball in years. You just have some bias against him...heck, I like Donald but won't be shattered if we don't take him.
 
Donald = Championship!

Not.

No player in this draft is worth moving up for at the cost of losing valuable draft picks in what is considered a deep draft class.
 
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