News: Cowboys are releasing Orton

[daveferr33]

I thought the Cowboys were in a really good position to play hardball with Orton.

Queue the folks on the board who don't understand how dead money is offset by being free of the salary commitment

I'll bite.

Please explain said offset. You mean because we don't have to pay a base salary for a player who isn't here, I get to subtract this base salary from the dead money left on the books? That would be an offset. Is that what you mean?

The Cowboys still owe Orton his prorated bonuses--3,382,500 which is "split" because he was cut after June 1st. So we owe him 1,227,500 this year and 2,255,00 next year.

Please show me where the 3,382,500 gets offset.

 

[CCBoy]

Has nothing to do with the discussion.

If one doesn't know didley about an Accountant's ledger of expenses...and then the management's role in overlooking that...as well as team fiber and payroll interactions. Then not knowing that the current Dallas Cowboys' franchise is at the top of the sporting industry world wide...yea, someone could be preppie enough to not see a connection.

And unknowledgeable enough to have no clue that the Cowboys franchise fought with players on the early stages of the NFL salary structuring following the introduction of free agency. Yea, the team could have missed opportunities for a series of Super Bowls with salary holdouts that reflected in Emmitt Smith almost derailing the second Lombardi. That was followed up with conflict between Troy Aikman and Jimmy Johnson and his final December contract that Jerry then allowed.

Then there was a $1 million dollar limit on linebackers, who the team felt that linebackers were easy enough to come by to give such a salary then. That affected changes during that period as well, as Norton and then other linebackers left the team, too costly.

Yea, how the team addresses finances, is completely on the level of a preppie shouting: ' Damn, this crap stinks...and nothing more.'

You go, town crier.

 

[Tawney88]

If one doesn't know didley about an Accountant's ledger of expenses...and then the management's role in overlooking that...as well as team fiber and payroll interactions. Then not knowing that the current Dallas Cowboys' franchise is at the top of the sporting industry world wide...yea, someone could be preppie enough to not see a connection.

And unknowledgeable enough to have no clue that the Cowboys franchise fought with players on the early stages of the NFL salary structuring following the introduction of free agency. Yea, the team could have missed opportunities for a series of Super Bowls with salary holdouts that reflected in Emmitt Smith almost derailing the second Lombardi. That was followed up with conflict between Troy Aikman and Jimmy Johnson and his final December contract that Jerry then allowed.

Then there was a $1 million dollar limit on linebackers, who the team felt that linebackers were easy enough to come by to give such a salary then. That affected changes during that period as well, as Norton and then other linebackers left the team, too costly.

Yea, how the team addresses finances, is completely on the level of a preppie shouting: ' Damn, this crap stinks...and nothing more.'

You go, town crier.

Your last post had nothing to do with the conversation, and I'm not going to waste my time to try and decipher your gibberish in this one.

 

[CCBoy]

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[cowboyschmps3]

Finally cut that guy

 

[AbeBeta]

I thought the Cowboys were in a really good position to play hardball with Orton.

I'll bite.

Please explain said offset. You mean because we don't have to pay a base salary for a player who isn't here, I get to subtract this base salary from the dead money left on the books? That would be an offset. Is that what you mean?

The Cowboys still owe Orton his prorated bonuses--3,382,500 which is "split" because he was cut after June 1st. So we owe him 1,227,500 this year and 2,255,00 next year.

Please show me where the 3,382,500 gets offset.

By his 3.25 mill salary. Duh

 

[Stash]

Your last post had nothing to do with the conversation, and I'm not going to waste my time to try and decipher your gibberish in this one.

Nice to see that trouble is back in town.



I guess they must have closed down the Circle J Ranch...

 

[Tawney88]

Nice to see that trouble is back in town.



I guess they must have closed down the Circle J Ranch...

I don't mean to be rude but he his hard to read much less understand.

 

[Doomsay]

Another terrible contract for another terrible past their prime player. The cap "experts" are applauding "only" eating $3 million + in dead money for a player who couldn't win the only game that he started for us. Jerry, being Jerry.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Until the details come out, I reserve judgement on this move. Can't say I wanted to keep Orton on the team anymore though.

Yeah, right now, we don't know if Orton gave back some of the signing bonus yet. Reminds me of the many who ripped the Rolando McClain trade right away before the facts of the trade were known. And then they were left with egg on their face after the details came out.

 

[Hostile]

This is the real problem. It further establishes a terrible precedent.

I don't think it sets a terrible precedent to get a guy off your team who doesn't want to be there, but I don't like how it looks. I think he could have been released as soon as they got the deal on Weeden, which was back in March. Cutting him then looks like purely financial. Cutting him now still gives them cap space, but it looks like Ratliff all over again, and I do not like that.

I wanted him gone. Trade, retirement, or waiver. Ultimately I don't care how it happened. They decided to let him keep the money. Not my money, so I don't care really. I like Kyle Orton a lot, but no matter who he signs with, and I don't think he is not done with football, I hope we play them and he has to face us because I hope we plant him in the turf had all day long, cheap shot him, and make him an example.

By the way, I'd like to do the same to Ratliff when we play the Bears. I'd put that malcontent jerk on his butt so often he wouldn't need cardio for a month.

 

[CCBoy]

....The Cowboys had held on to Orton’s rights hoping that he would retire, thus forcing him to pay back $3 million of the $5 million signing bonus they gave him before last season.

Orton had no interest in paying the money back, and now he won’t have to.

It’s also unlikely that the Cowboys will recoup the nearly $70,000 in fines levied against Orton for missing mandatory minicamp in June.

Fines are deducted from regular-season salary. Orton won’t be getting a check from the Cowboys.

But cutting Orton saves Cowboys $3.25 million in cap space in 2014, money they can use for possible long-term deals for offensive tackle Tyron Smith and/or receiver Dez Bryant.

Orton will count $2.25 million in dead money against the cap in 2015.

A former first-round pick by Cleveland in 2012, Weeden was cut by the Browns in March after two lackluster seasons.

Weeden, who was 5-15 as a starter, has completed 438 of 784 attempts for 5,116 yards while throwing 23 touchdown passes and 26 interceptions. His passer rating in two NFL seasons is 71.8.

Rumors about Orton possibly wanting out prompted the Cowboys to sign the 30-year-old Weeden as an insurance policy as well as a developmental quarterback for the future.

The Cowboys have liked Weeden’s potential since his days at Oklahoma State and believe he can succeed in the right environment. He played for two coaches and in two offenses in his two years at Cleveland.

Per a source, the Cowboys gained confidence in Weeden as the primary backup because of his impressive play with the first-team offense during organized team activities and minicamp with Orton out and Romo recovering from back surgery.

Weeden, who will turn 31 in October, will be pushed in camp by Caleb Hanie and rookie free agent Dustin Vaughan.

But there is no doubt the Cowboys are focused on Weeden as Romo’s primary backup. It’s a job that is more important than ever with Romo, 34, coming off his second back surgery in as many seasons.

Clarence E. Hill Jr., 817-390-7760 Twitter: @clarencehilljr

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/0...to-cut-holdout-quarterback.html#storylink=cpy

 

[CCBoy]

Gosselin: Why Kyle Ortons' no-show isn't bad for Cowboys even if Tony Romo gets hurt
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...d-for-cowboys-even-if-tony-romo-gets-hurt.ece


...The Cowboys have long placed a premium on their backup quarterbacks.

Dating to the Super Bowl days — if you can remember that far back — the Cowboys believed they needed a veteran quarterback as an insurance policy and were willing to overpay for that luxury.

Bernie Kosar, Rodney Peete, Wade Wilson, Randall Cunningham, Brad Johnson, Jon Kitna and Kyle Orton built successful NFL careers elsewhere before donning the sideline headsets for Dallas. Johnson won a Super Bowl, and Cunningham, Kosar and Wilson quarterbacked teams to conference title games.

So there’s been consternation this offseason over the disappearance of Orton from Valley Ranch.

There shouldn’t be.

Remember what he is — a backup quarterback. There isn’t a team in the NFL that wants to play its backup QB. With or without Orton, the Cowboys are doomed if Tony Romo goes down in 2014.

That’s the nature of the NFL.

 

[Echo9]

First you've heard of $ in 2015. Did you not know it was past June 1st?

Ah yes, that's right. So that dead money is what they could have gotten back if they put Orton on reserved/retired. That reinforces my point that it's a bad move to cut him. They should have just let him sit on reserved retired and kept his rights. They wouldn't have had to pay him his 2014 salary or had him take up a spot on the 53. Then they could have gone after the part of the signing bonus Orton would have owed them to breaking the contract. In that case there would be no dead money. (not exactly since it would have come back to the Cowboys in 2016, I think) but still.

 

[Stash]

I don't mean to be rude but he his hard to read much less understand.

Trust me, I know. Don't even get me started!

 

[Echo9]

By his 3.25 mill salary. Duh

The point is the third option of reserved/retired. The wouldn't have had to pay that 3.25 salary AND they could have gotten that other chunk back later.

 

[Stash]

I don't think it sets a terrible precedent to get a guy off your team who doesn't want to be there, but I don't like how it looks. I think he could have been released as soon as they got the deal on Weeden, which was back in March. Cutting him then looks like purely financial. Cutting him now still gives them cap space, but it looks like Ratliff all over again, and I do not like that.

I wanted him gone. Trade, retirement, or waiver. Ultimately I don't care how it happened. They decided to let him keep the money. Not my money, so I don't care really. I like Kyle Orton a lot, but no matter who he signs with, and I don't think he is not done with football, I hope we play them and he has to face us because I hope we plant him in the turf had all day long, cheap shot him, and make him an example.

By the way, I'd like to do the same to Ratliff when we play the Bears. I'd put that malcontent jerk on his butt so often he wouldn't need cardio for a month.

I don't like seeing malcontents walk away with money they didn't earn. Mine or not. Call me old-fashioned that way.

But this is now two guys that clearly got away with doing it to the Cowboys.

 

[Hostile]

I don't like seeing malcontents walk away with money they didn't earn. Mine or not. Call me old-fashioned that way.

But this is now two guys that clearly got away with doing it to the Cowboys.

I agree, which is why I said I hope he plays against us and we beat the crap out of him and Jay. I'd like nothing more than to see both of them go down in a pile and be groggy on the sidelines.

 

[TheDude]

Breaking News - The reason Kyle Orton has yet to show for camp is because he's been hung over ... for the past 6 months.

Or-ton is fat

 

[Randy White]

I think, and this is my opinion only, is that the reason why the Cowboys let him keep the money was under the condition that he retires and not play for another team. If Kyle Orton wants to play football again, he'll have to get the Cowboys' permission and whomever wants him, will have to acquire his rights from the Cowboys. So I don't think this is another Ratliff's situation in that sense.