The Great Running Back Debate

[Zekeats]

What exactly is cowardly about stating you haven't proven your premise? OTOH, I will say that the 'nothing is provable' nihilism is at the very heart of intellectual cowardice.

You have no basis to make claims about what the DMC signing means to the club regarding Randle. You have no basis to make claims about why they drafted Randle.

And repeating something over and over again is what stupid people and the mentally ill are known for doing. It is a common tactic to repeat something over and over again in place of proof. A stupid person certainly would try that tactic in teaching otoh it's well known that a different approach or perspective is typically in order when students are having difficulty understanding what you are teaching.

Sorry Mr. Brady. I don't have 100% pure evidence and guess what, neither do you.
Why do you have any right to say why they drafted Randle?
Still winning.....

 

[JoeBoBBY]

McFadden did. He will be the starting RB come September so all you Idgits out there that haven't figured this out yet, there you go. You're welcome.

I know some of you love to argue but don't waste your time, my reply to anyone that thinks it will be anyone other than DMC is just wait and see. I've already heard all the so called logical reasons why it won't be DMC but I don't care. McFadden will be a new man and run for more yards than any man his age has ever ran before... by far.

wanna bet?

 

[Zekeats]

Not sure I follow you. The fact that Randle is going to have a backup doesn't imply he was not drafted to be the starter. Every back in the league has somebody available to split carries with him.

The fact that Murray's not here in favor of the backs already on the roster should tell you whatever you need to know about their intentions. They had plenty of opportunities to add a RB in the draft if they really wanted to, and they did not.

I think them not drafting a RB was more about Gregory falling to them in the second. Pretty sure the pick was going to be Coleman and after him there was a huge drop off. As a matter of fact the front offices exact words was every running back they looked at later in the draft they kept going back to Ryan Williams saying that he was better than what was available.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I think them not drafting a RB was more about Gregory falling to them in the second. Pretty sure the pick was going to be Coleman and after him there was a huge drop off. As a matter of fact the front offices exact words was every running back they looked at later in the draft they kept going back to Ryan Williams saying that he was better than what was available.

Whatever the case may be. I cant imagine the plan was. "You know, we could lose Murray and replace him with McFadden/Randle". We could build one of the best lines in football and have Mcfadden and Randle carry the rock. I dont think anyone really wanted this to happen....And those who are arguing that was the plan all along are defending the third option, Plan C....

For sure someone else will be signed with the expectation of taking the lead spot at RB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry Mr. Brady. I don't have 100% pure evidence and guess what, neither do you.
Why do you have any right to say why they drafted Randle?
Still winning.....

Who said I claimed that they did or didn't do anything? You seem to have difficulty understanding presumption, negations, and the like.

I am just saying you haven't proven your claims. Nothing more. Flail on.

 

[jday]

Marcus Allen is one of the best short yardage backs in history and the dude was lean. You don't have to be thick to be a short yardage back. I think both will take on this role. But in the end short yardage is about lining up and being more man than the other guys when they know exactly what is coming. It is fine to be predictable here, line up and say try to stop us. In short yardage situation last year everyone knew what was coming and could not stop it. In the Superbowl everyone knew what was coming, although it didn't. lol.

Nice one.

I don't suppose you have to be big, but in many situations, it is ideal. For every small guy example you have that was considered a short yardage specialist (or at least capable), there is at least 10 big guys described as such...that is the case for a reason. I just don't trust either DMac or Randle to break many tackles and or have the physical ability to grind team's like Murray. Don't get me wrong, I'm with the crowd that was fine with them letting him go considering what he was wanting, but I thought they would take a bigger stab at replacing his production.

 

[JoeKing]

wanna bet?

Just wait and see.

 

[Idgit]

I think them not drafting a RB was more about Gregory falling to them in the second. Pretty sure the pick was going to be Coleman and after him there was a huge drop off. As a matter of fact the front offices exact words was every running back they looked at later in the draft they kept going back to Ryan Williams saying that he was better than what was available.

Passing on Coleman is the same thing as rolling the dice on Randle and Company. I don't disagree that that's what they did, but if that's what they did, they did it because they considered adding the young pass rusher more important than adding another back. It means they had some faith in the position group already.

 

[Zekeats]

Passing on Coleman is the same thing as rolling the dice on Randle and Company. I don't disagree that that's what they did, but it that's what they did, they did it because they considered adding the young pass rusher more important than adding another back. It means they had some faith in the position group already.

It wasn't that at all. It was about the quality of talent available. Their number 4 rated player vs maybe their number 40-50 rated player. Pretty sure if the RB and the DE had close to the same ratings they would have drafted a RB.

 

[Zekeats]

Who said I claimed that they did or didn't do anything? You seem to have difficulty understanding presumption, negations, and the like.

I am just saying you haven't proven your claims. Nothing more. Flail on.

The only thing I can't understand is a sociopath like yourself. I did prove my claim. We signed McFadden because Randle was never envisioned as a starter when he was drafted. I won.

 

[Nightman]

Yep. And to replace him this season. Remember what people thought of Murray at the time Randle was drafted. Murray was often-injured. We'd just whiffed on Felix Jones, and Jerry's billionaire buddy was a big booster at OK State. The idea was to bring in Randle, bulk him up, and have him split time with Murray and eventually to replace him if he hit.

They didn't draft Randle to replace Murray anymore than they drafted Hitchens to replace Lee or Street to replace Dez.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The only thing I can't understand is a sociopath like yourself. I did prove my claim. We signed McFadden because Randle was never envisioned as a starter when he was drafted. I won.

So now I lack empathy?

We drafted Randle because we wanted another RB. I only know that because they wrote RB on the card they turned in. You asserting more than that is baseless no matter how many times you parrot it.

Megalomania is noted by delusions of winning btw.

 

[Idgit]

It wasn't that at all. It was about the quality of talent available. Their number 4 rated player vs maybe their number 40-50 rated player. Pretty sure if the RB and the DE had close to the same ratings they would have drafted a RB.

I disagree. They telegraphed prior to the draft that they were going to draft defense. People just didn't believe them, but it's what they ended up doing.

They didn't draft Randle to replace Murray anymore than they drafted Hitchens to replace Lee or Street to replace Dez.

Neither or those things is true. Lee has already been extended and Dez is a special player who they are absolutely going to extend. Murray played an expendable position that they've proven they're willing and able to address with middle round draft picks. Murray over delivered on his draft slot, but they proved they had no problem letting him walk when he wanted more money than they were willing to pay for a replaceable position. You don't have to agree with it, but the evidence isn't exactly something you can argue against.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They didn't draft Randle to replace Murray anymore than they drafted Hitchens to replace Lee or Street to replace Dez.

I think this entire 'replace' thing is way overdone. There are 3 RB on every roster. Sometimes more. Murray was under contract for two more years and it was uncertain if they were going to resign him in 2013. You still need 3 competent RB either way.

 

[Nightman]

I disagree. They telegraphed prior to the draft that they were going to draft defense. People just didn't believe them, but it's what they ended up doing.



Neither or those things is true. Lee has already been extended and Dez is a special player who they are absolutely going to extend. Murray played an expendable position that they've proven they're willing and able to address with middle round draft picks. Murray over delivered on his draft slot, but they proved they had no problem letting him walk when he wanted more money than they were willing to pay for a replaceable position. You don't have to agree with it, but the evidence isn't exactly something you can argue against.

All that may be true but it has nothing to do with drafting a RB in the 5th round three drafts ago.

Murray could have just as easily been extended whether or not Randle was here or not.

 

[Idgit]

All that may be true but it has nothing to do with drafting a RB in the 5th round three drafts ago.

Murray could have just as easily been extended whether or not Randle was here or not.

Not sure I follow your logic. They let the RB walk and didn't replace him because of what they had on the roster already. Otherwise, they'd have either kept Murray or drafted somebody. If Randle weren't on the roster, you'd better believe they'd have moved to somehow draft a RB at some point after the Gregory pick.

Jerry was telegraphing this as far back as Thanksgiving last year. Remember this quote? It was after the shoplifting incident, too:

“We’ve got one that if he carried that ball 20 times a game, I think he would have outstanding numbers in the 100-yard up area. That is Joseph Randle,” Jones said on 105.3 The Fan [KRLD-FM]. “We’re really proud of his progress, what he’s doing. When he’s gotten the ball, he’s been impressive. He’s been impressive away from the ball.

That's Jones-speak for 'we think Randle could be a productive starter at some point. And it means they think he can both run and pass protect.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not sure I follow your logic. They let the RB walk and didn't replace him because of what they had on the roster already. Otherwise, they'd have either kept Murray or drafted somebody. If Randle weren't on the roster, you'd better believe they'd have moved to somehow draft a RB at some point after the Gregory pick.

Jerry was telegraphing this as far back as Thanksgiving last year. Remember this quote? It was after the shoplifting incident, too:



That's Jones-speak for 'we think Randle could be a productive starter at some point. And it means they think he can both run and pass protect.

I remember Jones talking about how he expected him to get bigger when they drafted him and all that. At the end of the day expectations aren't going to dictate whether or not he can succeed at any role. I don't think anyone at VR is unfamiliar with how players can develop either, whatever disposition they started off with.

I think people are being unreasonable expecting RB to carry the ball more than 300 times a year starter or no. I'm actually looking forward to the committee approach and guys being healthy and involved for all 16 games.

 

[waving monkey]

The big question is will the Cowboys regret not making more of a concerted effort to replace Demarco Murray?

The question for me is did JJones learn his lesson from the forced releases from the team by Rat and what's his name?
Will the Viking live with the distraction Peterson creates with all his financial burden or finally just release him like JJones did.
We can wait.

 

[Idgit]

I remember Jones talking about how he expected him to get bigger when they drafted him and all that. At the end of the day expectations aren't going to dictate whether or not he can succeed at any role. I don't think anyone at VR is unfamiliar with how players can develop either, whatever disposition they started off with.

I think people are being unreasonable expecting RB to carry the ball more than 300 times a year starter or no. I'm actually looking forward to the committee approach and guys being healthy and involved for all 16 games.

It's good we can look forward to it, because it sure looks like it's going to happen.

I do think we've seen he end of drafting RBs in the first round, though. At least for the foreseeable future.

 

[plasticman]

Murray was more successful than for just one single season, he was successful every time he was given the ball a significant number of times.

He gained over 700 yards in his first seven games as a rookie, where was this great offensive line in 2011?

He averaged 5 yards a carry through the three seasons leading up to last season.

Over his four year career in Dallas, Murray was the team's 3rd leading receiver.

Only injury kept him from 4 consecutuve thousand yard seasons. Even so, he averaged over a thousand yards a season and over 1400 yards a season in yards from scrimmage.

He did get injures but I remind you that in 2012 he lined up behind an offensive line of five playera that never played their position for the Dallas Cowboys. EVERY rb got hurt that season.

With that said, he is gone. The one area he will be missed the most is 3rd and short.

Randle was dismall in this area. Therefore, his ability to be on the field may well hinge on the success of a designated pounder in short yardage situations. This could be were Synjin Days come in.