Dak in perspective

[Qbert]

Dak inherited a 4-12 team.
Excuses or not we were 4-12.

This comparison isn't even about our record but instead shows passing efficiency. Sure we have Zeke and it helps. But we still had a healthy running game last year and we were still 4-12.

Minimizing Dak because of talent around him is the crap the Eagles fans turn to when they feel nervous and insecure over Dak vs Wentz.
Matt Cassell and Weeden had talent around them and we couldn't score at all.

I was listening to wip in philly overnight and the host had a poll who is better dak or wentz, surprise wentz won lol, but every caller said that exact thing, wait til wentz gets the weapons dak has and he'll show he's the better qb

 

[Kevinicus]

Dak inherited a 4-12 team.
Excuses or not we were 4-12.

This comparison isn't even about our record but instead shows passing efficiency. Sure we have Zeke and it helps. But we still had a healthy running game last year and we were still 4-12.

Minimizing Dak because of talent around him is the crap the Eagles fans turn to when they feel nervous and insecure over Dak vs Wentz.
Matt Cassell and Weeden had talent around them and we couldn't score at all.

The team around Dak in 2016 is much better than the 2015 team. Dak is also better than Cassel Weeden and Moore.

 

[Gabe]

What is most impressive is that he inherited a 4-12 dumpster fire and is dominating the NFL.

RG3 inherited a 5-11 Commanders team and Big Ben inherited a 6-10 Steelers team. It can be argued that Dak inherited the worst situation of those three and has been the most successful stat wise.

 

[The Realist]

68% completion is surreal. Even for a vet.

Those are elite numbers. You can explain them away all you want. But the #s definitively prove that Dak is playing at an elite level. And has put up the best rookie season for a QB in twenty years.

20 years? Which rookie QB's prior to that had better years?

 

[The Realist]

The team around Dak in 2016 is much better than the 2015 team. Dak is also better than Cassel Weeden and Moore.

How many new starters do we have this year besides Dak? Zeke, Collins and Brown?

 

[Sepia]

"He's the next Tom Brady." My favorite joking quote from the preseason.

But he seriously looks to have a high ceiling. Historic rookie season where vets from all eras marvel at his ability, and he works on his flaws. Look how much he's grown over the course of the season.

 

[tyke1doe]

The fact that the next person on the list is RGIII (although I don't think he's like him) makes me still cautious to pronounce anything despite what he's done this year.

I can understand your perspective. When I read RGIII's stats, I was like, "He didn't do so bad."
However, it started to seep out pretty early that RGIII was a prima Donna and couldn't read defenses well. And he used his feet more than Dak did. The league finally caught up with that. Actually, the Seahawks did when they injured him in the playoffs. Simply put, RGIII was a run-first quarterback who didn't know how to slide and who was to light to be a running quarterback.
Dak is the exact opposite of RGIII so I have more hope for him beyond this year.

 

[Bleu Star]

Was just curious to see how Dak compared to other rookie QBs throughout recent history. Other than RG3 and Russell Wilson and Big Ben, it's really not even close. Here are some of the top and most notable rookies dating back to Peyton Manning's rookie year of 1998. It's sorted by QB rating. Cowboys are bolded.

Dak Prescott - 2016 - 451 attempts - 68.1% - 3630 yards - 8.0 average - 23 TDs - 4 INTs - 105.6 rating
Robert Griffin - 2012 - 393 attempts - 65.6% - 3200 yards - 8.1 average - 20 TDs - 5 INTs - 102.4 rating
Russell Wilson - 2012 - 393 attempts - 64.1% - 3118 yards - 7.9 average - 26 TDs - 10 INTs - 100.0 rating
Ben Roethlisberger - 2004 - 295 attempts - 66.4% - 2621 yards - 8.9 average - 17 TDs - 11 INTs - 98.1 rating
Marcus Mariota - 2015 - 370 attempts - 62.2% - 2818 yards - 7.6 average - 19 TDs - 10 INTs - 91.5 rating
Matt Ryan - 2008 - 434 attempts - 61.1% - 3440 yards - 7.9 average - 16 TDs - 11 INTs - 87.7 rating
Teddy Bridgewater - 2014 - 402 attempts - 64.4% - 2919 yards - 7.3 average - 14 TDs - 12 INTs - 85.2 rating
Cam Newton - 2011 - 517 attempts - 60.0% - 4051 yards - 7.8 average - 21 TDs - 17 INTs - 84.5 rating
Jameis Winston - 2015 - 535 attempts - 58.3% - 4042 yards - 7.6 average - 22 TDs - 15 INTs - 84.2 rating
Mike Glennon - 2013 - 416 attempts - 59.4% - 2608 yards - 6.3 average - 19 TDs - 9 INTs - 83.9 rating
Charlie Batch - 1998 - 303 attempts - 57.1% - 2178 yards - 7.2 average - 11 TDs - 6 INTs - 83.5 rating
Andy Dalton - 2011 - 516 attempts - 58.1% - 3398 yards - 6.6 average - 20 TDs - 13 INTs - 80.4 rating
Joe Flacco - 2008 - 428 attempts - 60.0% - 2971 yards - 6.9 average - 14 TDs - 12 INTs - 80.3 rating
Carson Wentz - 2016 - 564 attempts - 62.4% - 3537 yards - 6.3 average - 14 TDs - 14 INTs - 78.2 rating
Derek Carr - 2014 - 599 attempts - 58.1% - 3270 yards - 5.5 average - 21 TDs - 12 INTs - 76.6 rating
Andrew Luck - 2012 - 627 attempts - 54.1% - 4374 yards - 7.0 average - 23 TDs - 18 INTs - 76.5 rating
Sam Bradford - 2010 - 590 attempts - 60.0% - 3512 yards - 6.0 average - 18 TDs - 15 INTs - 76.5 rating
Matt Leinart - 2006 - 377 attempts - 56.8% - 2547 yards - 6.8 average - 11 TDs - 12 INTs - 74.0 rating
Byron Leftwich - 2003 - 418 attempts - 57.2% - 2819 yards - 6.7 average - 14 TDs - 16 INTs - 73.0 rating
Peyton Manning - 1998 - 575 attempts - 56.7% - 3739 yards - 6.5 average - 26 TDs - 28 INTs - 71.2 rating
Vince Young - 2006 - 357 attempts - 51.5% - 2199 yards - 6.2 average - 12 TDs - 13 INTs - 66.7 rating
Chad Hutchinson - 2002 - 250 attempts - 50.8% - 1555 yards - 6.2 average - 7 TDs - 8 INTs - 66.3 rating
Quincy Carter - 2001 - 176 attempts - 51.1% - 1072 yards - 6.1 average - 5 TDs - 7 INTs - 63.0 rating
Mark Sanchez - 2009 - 364 attempts - 53.8% - 2444 yards - 6.7 average - 12 TDs - 20 INTs - 63.0 rating
Mike Vick - 2001 - 113 attempts - 44.2% - 785 yards - 6.9 average - 2 TDs - 3 INTs - 62.7 rating
Matthew Stafford - 2009 - 377 attempts - 53.3% - 2267 yards - 6.0 average - 13 TDs - 20 INTs - 61.0 rating
Donovan McNabb - 1999 - 216 attempts - 49.1% - 948 yards - 4.4 average - 8 TDs - 7 INTs - 60.1 rating
Kyle Orton - 2005 - 368 attempts - 51.6% - 1869 yards - 5.1 average - 9 TDs - 13 INTs - 59.7 rating
Eli Manning - 2004 - 197 attempts - 48.2% - 1043 yards - 5.3 average - 6 TDs - 9 INTs - 55.4 rating
Alex Smith - 2005 - 165 attempts - 50.9% - 875 yards - 5.3 average - 1 TD - 11 INTs - 40.8 rating
Ryan Leaf - 1998 - 245 attempts - 45.3% - 1289 yards - 5.3 average - 2 TDs - 15 INTs - 39.0 rating

LMAO. Hutch & Quincy. The Wonder Years.

 

[SlammedZero]

LMAO. Hutch & Quincy. The Wonder Years.

LOL, Oh those were some rough years weren't they? Who was the 3rd QB Jerry had hope for? Drew Henson?

 

[tyke1doe]

LMAO. Hutch & Quincy. The Wonder Years.

The Blunder Years.

 

[Gaede]

20 years? Which rookie QB's prior to that had better years?

Beats me. I just picked a big number. Could be the best rookie QB season ever. I was born in 84 though, so I really don't know

 

[The Realist]

Beats me. I just picked a big number. Could be the best rookie QB season ever. I was born in 84 though, so I really don't know

I don't think we've seen one.

 

[mrmojo]

Beats me. I just picked a big number. Could be the best rookie QB season ever. I was born in 84 though, so I really don't know

Probably no one. Cause in the 60s, 70s no one played rookie qbs much less started them.

 

[Gaede]

The team around Dak in 2016 is much better than the 2015 team. Dak is also better than Cassel Weeden and Moore.

You know, I know you have your position and everything, but it is perfectly OK to acknowledge that Dak is having an extremely rare and awesome rookie QB season. There is nothing wrong with that. You don't need to be contrarian. You don't need to stand up for someone else. You can freely admit what the numbers definitively prove--Dak has had one of the best rookie seasons for a QB ever.

Absolutely none of Brady's statistical success comes with an asterisk. Neither does Romo's. Or Manning's.

I don't know why you feel the need to constantly explain away what is proven

 

[haleyrules]

I can understand your perspective. When I read RGIII's stats, I was like, "He didn't do so bad."
However, it started to seep out pretty early that RGIII was a prima Donna and couldn't read defenses well. And he used his feet more than Dak did. The league finally caught up with that. Actually, the Seahawks did when they injured him in the playoffs. Simply put, RGIII was a run-first quarterback who didn't know how to slide and who was to light to be a running quarterback.
Dak is the exact opposite of RGIII so I have more hope for him beyond this year.

Prescott has a rugged build and a high football IQ. Not so easy to injure that type.

 

[Kevinicus]

How many new starters do we have this year besides Dak? Zeke, Collins and Brown?

3 new starters on offense (Leary, Zeke, Dak). That's nearly 30% there. A healthier Dez, better Bease, better scheming. Add it all up and it's a tremendous difference.

There's a world of difference between bottom of the barrel QB play and even just decent QB play in itself.

 

[percyhoward]

Was just curious to see how Dak compared to other rookie QBs throughout recent history. Other than RG3 and Russell Wilson and Big Ben, it's really not even close.

It's really not close anyway.

Ranked by their passing yards as a percentage of their team's total offense when they were playing.

Prescott 2016 60.9%
pass 3630
run 2327

Griffin 2012 55.3%
pass 3200
run 2587

Wilson 2012 54.7%
pass 3118
run 2579

Roethlisberger 2004 54.2%
pass 2727
run 2306

 

[xwalker]

The fact that the next person on the list is RGIII (although I don't think he's like him) makes me still cautious to pronounce anything despite what he's done this year.

Good point, but just looking at what caused RG3 to fail later, it's obvious that Dak does not have those problems.

RG3 was not coach-able and that was exacerbated by his owner. Dak's Mental Makeup appears to be his top trait.

Also, RG3 was dependent on his running ability. Dak is a pocket passer that does not run often.

 

[haleyrules]

20 years? Which rookie QB's prior to that had better years?

There hasn't been a rookie with a 14-2 record. Big Ben was good but not as good as Prescott as a rookie.

 

[Kevinicus]

You know, I know you have your position and everything, but it is perfectly OK to acknowledge that Dak is having an extremely rare and awesome rookie QB season. There is nothing wrong with that. You don't need to be contrarian. You don't need to stand up for someone else. You can freely admit what the numbers definitively prove--Dak has had one of the best rookie seasons for a QB ever.

Absolutely none of Brady's statistical success comes with an asterisk. Neither does Romo's.

I don't know why you feel the need to constantly explain away what everyone can see

Stats don't prove what you think they do. That's not how stats work. Stats are dependent on a lot of variables beyond QB play. The play of the rest of the team plays a large role in the success of any QB.

Dak is having a historic year...statistically. That doesn't mean he's playing better than all those other guys did or that he's not in a much better situation than the others in order to end up with those stats.

I don't know why so many of you feel the need to avoid objectivity and honest analysis or feel the need to short change the rest of the guys out there playing.