Autoloans now average 69.3 month

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Wow!

More than 5 years for an average car loan?

When I was a teenager looking at cars 1-2 years was it for a used car with a new car loan at 36 months.

And the average monthly payment? Now $517.

That's a lot.
I have been saying this for several years. Because the price of cars are outpacing the annual increase in salaries, we are going to reach a point where car manufacturers will have to shift their business model from selling cars, to either subscriptions (leasing 2.0) or annual rental agreements.

What I said would happen is that eventually car manufacturers would realize they are pricing their cars out of the reach of most people and while that low/normal car payment seems great for year 1 and most of year 2, as maintenance and problem expenses start happening after 2-3 years, suddenly you realize you are paying new car rate payments for a car that's not new, is costing you more money and is more likely to have something go wrong with it. All the while, your friend, coworker, neighbor, etc. are driving around brand new cars they just bought and are paying the same or even lower than you are each month.

The same will eventually happen with other markets as well such as phones (already has in some cases) where products become too expensive for most people to buy and subsidizing is no longer viable for third party companies.

The most logical move by car manufacturers is to offer new types of car leases (more like rentals) where every 1-2 years, you bring your car back and drive home with a new one. It becomes a perpetual rental agreement that allows car manufacturers to lock in their customers, much like phone companies do.
 

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I used to buy cars around 1-2 yrs old but I really like that "new" car feeling. So, I got a new ride recently and it is ridiculous. We put 20k down and payments are still over $700/mo. Once they tack on extra protection, etc it skyrockets :(
 

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I have been saying this for several years. Because the price of cars are outpacing the annual increase in salaries, we are going to reach a point where car manufacturers will have to shift their business model from selling cars, to either subscriptions (leasing 2.0) or annual rental agreements.

What I said would happen is that eventually car manufacturers would realize they are pricing their cars out of the reach of most people and while that low/normal car payment seems great for year 1 and most of year 2, as maintenance and problem expenses start happening after 2-3 years, suddenly you realize you are paying new car rate payments for a car that's not new, is costing you more money and is more likely to have something go wrong with it. All the while, your friend, coworker, neighbor, etc. are driving around brand new cars they just bought and are paying the same or even lower than you are each month.

The same will eventually happen with other markets as well such as phones (already has in some cases) where products become too expensive for most people to buy and subsidizing is no longer viable for third party companies.

The most logical move by car manufacturers is to offer new types of car leases (more like rentals) where every 1-2 years, you bring your car back and drive home with a new one. It becomes a perpetual rental agreement that allows car manufacturers to lock in their customers, much like phone companies do.
Consumers have to practice self control. They have to resist the urge to go trade there car in for a new one as soon as they are done paying it off. Which they wont.

Just finished mine last month and have no intent on purchasing within next 3 to 4 years. However Im also lucky in that I work roughly a mile from home. Anytime my car is in maintance, its not need for a work commute
 

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Just bought a new 2018 Forester XT 2.0 for $26.7K, 0% financing for 63 months and nothing down.

Thought it was a steal.
 

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I used to buy cars around 1-2 yrs old but I really like that "new" car feeling. So, I got a new ride recently and it is ridiculous. We put 20k down and payments are still over $700/mo. Once they tack on extra protection, etc it skyrockets :(

What car did you get?

For $20K down (which is insane), and you’re still paying $700 a month?

You either did a 48 mos. finance or the car was like $90K.
 

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I have been saying this for several years. Because the price of cars are outpacing the annual increase in salaries, we are going to reach a point where car manufacturers will have to shift their business model from selling cars, to either subscriptions (leasing 2.0) or annual rental agreements.

What I said would happen is that eventually car manufacturers would realize they are pricing their cars out of the reach of most people and while that low/normal car payment seems great for year 1 and most of year 2, as maintenance and problem expenses start happening after 2-3 years, suddenly you realize you are paying new car rate payments for a car that's not new, is costing you more money and is more likely to have something go wrong with it. All the while, your friend, coworker, neighbor, etc. are driving around brand new cars they just bought and are paying the same or even lower than you are each month.

The same will eventually happen with other markets as well such as phones (already has in some cases) where products become too expensive for most people to buy and subsidizing is no longer viable for third party companies.

The most logical move by car manufacturers is to offer new types of car leases (more like rentals) where every 1-2 years, you bring your car back and drive home with a new one. It becomes a perpetual rental agreement that allows car manufacturers to lock in their customers, much like phone companies do.


Lol. You should change your screen name to "out of touch with reality". The car biz is perfectly fine.
 

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I have been saying this for several years. Because the price of cars are outpacing the annual increase in salaries, we are going to reach a point where car manufacturers will have to shift their business model from selling cars, to either subscriptions (leasing 2.0) or annual rental agreements.

What I said would happen is that eventually car manufacturers would realize they are pricing their cars out of the reach of most people and while that low/normal car payment seems great for year 1 and most of year 2, as maintenance and problem expenses start happening after 2-3 years, suddenly you realize you are paying new car rate payments for a car that's not new, is costing you more money and is more likely to have something go wrong with it. All the while, your friend, coworker, neighbor, etc. are driving around brand new cars they just bought and are paying the same or even lower than you are each month.

The same will eventually happen with other markets as well such as phones (already has in some cases) where products become too expensive for most people to buy and subsidizing is no longer viable for third party companies.

The most logical move by car manufacturers is to offer new types of car leases (more like rentals) where every 1-2 years, you bring your car back and drive home with a new one. It becomes a perpetual rental agreement that allows car manufacturers to lock in their customers, much like phone companies do.
Seems like there could be some opportunities out there for smart entrepreneurs.
 

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Most new car buyers are underwater immediately.......and I'm not talking Houston or New Orleans cars

0% interest is great if you can get it but it usually means paying full sticker

I think the best zone is 2 years old and 20k miles....let the first guy take the depreciation hit
 

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I have been saying this for several years. Because the price of cars are outpacing the annual increase in salaries, we are going to reach a point where car manufacturers will have to shift their business model from selling cars, to either subscriptions (leasing 2.0) or annual rental agreements.

What I said would happen is that eventually car manufacturers would realize they are pricing their cars out of the reach of most people and while that low/normal car payment seems great for year 1 and most of year 2, as maintenance and problem expenses start happening after 2-3 years, suddenly you realize you are paying new car rate payments for a car that's not new, is costing you more money and is more likely to have something go wrong with it. All the while, your friend, coworker, neighbor, etc. are driving around brand new cars they just bought and are paying the same or even lower than you are each month.

The same will eventually happen with other markets as well such as phones (already has in some cases) where products become too expensive for most people to buy and subsidizing is no longer viable for third party companies.

The most logical move by car manufacturers is to offer new types of car leases (more like rentals) where every 1-2 years, you bring your car back and drive home with a new one. It becomes a perpetual rental agreement that allows car manufacturers to lock in their customers, much like phone companies do.

Automation is coming quickly. I forsee automatic Ubers, kind of like the Johnny Cab from Total Recall killing the personal automobile business.
 

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Wow!

More than 5 years for an average car loan?

When I was a teenager looking at cars 1-2 years was it for a used car with a new car loan at 36 months.

And the average monthly payment? Now $517.

That's a lot.
People pay more than they make. The car burst is about to happen. And inflation. Less good jobs for the masses to counter inflation.
 
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