Rules committee, please put to death this silly 10-sec run-off thing that penalizes teams

[_sturt_]

...just because the replay refs in the booth call down to say, "we need to look at that again."

I get the rationale that made them think to implement it. I just think the rationale is flawed. It is unfair.

Am I wrong?

 

[texbumthelife]

Nothing should be running time off the clock. That's just against it all. Makes no sense. Then again, half their rules don't.

 

[rkell87]

It's another attempt by the league to control the outcome of games. You understand the rationale that they spun, I see it as a way for the league to manipulate the outcome of games. Just wait until the steelers get deep in the playoffs, the league will run off 30 seconds with a minute left while someone is marching through their D to win the game.

 

[Kevinicus]

...just because the replay refs in the booth call down to say, "we need to look at that again."

I get the rationale that made them think to implement it. I just think the rationale is flawed. It is unfair.

Am I wrong?

I agree, but what brought this on? That Detroit/Atlanta game was months ago.

 

[_sturt_]

hehe... good question.

Been a comment I've thought to post many times watching many football games this season, and this time I happened to have my laptop in front of me and the CZ site on screen. (They did it during the Titans/Chiefs game in the final 2 min.)

 

[Reality]

Offense coordinator says to quarterback, "We don't have right players in the game, so false start real fast!" ... referee throws flag, assesses 5-yard penalty, now offense has right players in the game and new play called.

That's why that 10-second run-off rule was implemented. It only affects teams when the clock is running, not when it's stopped. The reason is because with the yardage penalty and not the run-off penalty, the offense gets a chance to trade 5 yards for better personnel on the field and more time to plan the next play.

 

[Kevinicus]

Offense coordinator says to quarterback, "We don't have right players in the game, so false start real fast!" ... referee throws flag, assesses 5-yard penalty, now offense has right players in the game and new play called.

That's why that 10-second run-off rule was implemented. It only affects teams when the clock is running, not when it's stopped. The reason is because with the yardage penalty and not the run-off penalty, the offense gets a chance to trade 5 yards for better personnel on the field and more time to plan the next play.

I think he is more referring to when they do a replay review.

 

[Reality]

I think he is more referring to when they do a replay review.

They have a 10-second run-off rule for replays?

 

[Jake]

...just because the replay refs in the booth call down to say, "we need to look at that again."

I get the rationale that made them think to implement it. I just think the rationale is flawed. It is unfair.

Am I wrong?

Yes.

If the clock is running when the booth calls down you're giving the team a free time out.

 

[Jake]

They have a 10-second run-off rule for replays?

They do if the booth stops play with the clock running and the offense has no time outs.

 

[Kevinicus]

They have a 10-second run-off rule for replays?

Depends, but they do sometimes. It cost Detroit a chance to beat Atlanta earlier. It's when the clock is stopped by the ruling on the field but the reversed ruling is a situation where the clock should have ran.

 

[Reality]

I was not aware of they applied it on replay reversals. That definitely needs to be removed.

 

[Jake]

I was not aware of they applied it on replay reversals. That definitely needs to be removed.

What should be removed is the different replay rules for the final 2 minutes. Just apply the same rules for the other 56 minutes to those 4 minutes and it's not an issue.

 

[Doomsday]

One way they could fix this is to not allow the ref to call for a replay until the offense gets lined up.

Than, restart the clock after the replay with the team lined up again.

That way it isn't an extra time out for the offense.

 

[_sturt_]

Respectfully disagree, @Jake .

On principle, if I want to run the ball up the middle from the 1, I shouldn't have to enter into the calculus the probability that the refs upstairs are going to want to review the replay to see if my guy breaks the plane. So, you can make it that way for the entire game, but it still imposes on the game in an unfair way to the offense specifically at that stage of the game.

 

[_sturt_]

What if...

During such a situation, teams were "frozen," meaning no substitutions, no visiting the sidelines, no waterboys coming out, and helmet audio shut off... until the ruling is made, and then the clock starts again, and it's up to the offense to be lined-up and ready to go.

 

[Doomsday]

Respectfully disagree, @Jake .

On principle, if I want to run the ball up the middle from the 1, I shouldn't have to enter into the calculus the probability that the refs upstairs are going to want to review the replay to see if my guy breaks the plane. So, you can make it that way for the entire game, but it still imposes on the game in an unfair way to the offense specifically at that stage of the game.

The issue with that is lets say there are 10 seconds left in the game and you run or pass it and it is ruled a TD.

They review it and you were actually tackled short, so the clock is stopped with 5 seconds left and now you basically get a free play to win the game.

The 10 second runoff (I think its too much time) is used to simulate the amount the time that would of expired if you lined up with no replay or time out.

 

[_sturt_]

The issue with that is lets say there are 10 seconds left in the game and you run or pass it and it is ruled a TD.

They review it and you were actually tackled short, so the clock is stopped with 5 seconds left and now you basically get a free play to win the game.

The 10 second runoff (I think its too much time) is used to simulate the amount the time that would of expired if you lined up with no replay or time out.

So my reaction to that is, it's really a question of who is going to be accountable... is it the team's fault that the ref made the wrong call? No, it's the ref's. Leave it on the refs to make those calls. Don't penalize the teams.

 

[Doomsday]

So my reaction to that is, it's really a question of who is going to be accountable... is it the team's fault that the ref made the wrong call? No, it's the ref's. Leave it on the refs to make those calls. Don't penalize the teams.

It isn't a penalty if time would come off the clock anyway. You don't get tackled, than suddenly get lined up and snap the ball. You have to account for the fact there will be replays inside 2 minutes that stop the clock.

The penalty with what you are suggesting would be put on the defense.

 

[Nightman]

The refs try to wait right before the QB snaps the ball to call down for the replay

That way there is no free TO