We hate on JG, some more than others and some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why?

[northerncowboynation]

.... we hate on JG, some more than others. Some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why? Gruden took a team built by Dungy and staff to 1 SB (the year of the inheritance) then nothing. In fact Gruden, in his career as a HC Gruden's teams were a combined 14 games over .500. Pretty much the same as JG coached teams with 12.

Fact, JG coached teams are 12 games over .500 over the past 8 years as a HC. 10 games over .500 if you throw out 2010. Only a handful of coaches and teams have had a better W/L record over the past seven years. Those teams are NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans. There are 20 or so teams who have had fewer wins than the Cowboys over those 7 years.

I don't know about the majority of Cowboy fans but that tells me that HC changes rarely change a teams W/L record. If it did, 20 or so teams would have a better W/L record than JG coached teams over the past 7 seasons because most of them have had at least one HC'ing change.

Discuss among yourselves

 

[cmoney23]

.... we hate on JG, some more than others. Some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why? Gruden took a team built by Dungy and staff to 1 SB (the year of the inheritance) then nothing. In fact Gruden, in his career as a HC Gruden's teams were a combined 14 games over .500. Pretty much the same as JG coached teams with 12.

Fact, JG coached teams are 12 games over .500 over the past 8 years as a HC. 10 games over .500 if you throw out 2010. Only a handful of coaches and teams have had a better W/L record over the past seven years. Those teams are NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans. There are 20 or so teams who have had fewer wins than the Cowboys over those 7 years.

I don't know about the majority of Cowboy fans but that tells me that HC changes rarely change a teams W/L record. If it did, 20 or so teams would have a better W/L record than JG coached teams over the past 7 seasons because most of them have had at least one HC'ing change.

Discuss among yourselves

I think that the overall results are the issue with JG.
I can make the argument that he has had more talent than Greenbay, Seattle, Baltimore and New Orleans in his tenure and an equal amount of talent as NE and Pittsburg. ALL THOSE TEAMS HAVE SUPERBOWLS, repeat playoff visits, playoff success.

It's not the wins. At his level. It's now about playoff success and championships.

 

[diefree666]

.... we hate on JG, some more than others. Some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why? Gruden took a team built by Dungy and staff to 1 SB (the year of the inheritance) then nothing. In fact Gruden, in his career as a HC Gruden's teams were a combined 14 games over .500. Pretty much the same as JG coached teams with 12.

Fact, JG coached teams are 12 games over .500 over the past 8 years as a HC. 10 games over .500 if you throw out 2010. Only a handful of coaches and teams have had a better W/L record over the past seven years. Those teams are NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans. There are 20 or so teams who have had fewer wins than the Cowboys over those 7 years.

I don't know about the majority of Cowboy fans but that tells me that HC changes rarely change a teams W/L record. If it did, 20 or so teams would have a better W/L record than JG coached teams over the past 7 seasons because most of them have had at least one HC'ing change.

Discuss among yourselves

if you are happy with mediocrity that is fine for YOU. Not for most of us. We believe in winning CHAMPIONSHIPS. ANYTHING less is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
JG has shown he is mediocre and should be shown the door but sadly will not.

 

[TexasMustang]

The real question is would any coach do any better with JJ running around. We will never know of our scouting department was that bad or was it JJ picking the groceries. The things that get me is you draft EE at #4 and you don't give him the ball inside the 5 yard line? I know I am no professional coach but I would take my chances running it 3 times than I would throwing it. The coaches do things that just make you go what the heck was they thinking.

 

[khiladi]

He took his team to the SB with the Raiders the year before Dungy..

And he didn’t have Romo saving him..

And Garrett only beat 12 teams his that ended the season over .500 wins, meaning Garrett’s wins are basically Romo coming back against bum teams after abandoning the weekly Garrett game plan of suckage that couldn’t beat even mediocre teams.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

We're passionate. If it works for out-of-control players it can work for fans that are fed up with watching their team struggle year after year. " We care about the Cowboys and we go about things the right way" For me it's not so much hate it's frustration, frustration in the results he has achieved in the time that he has been given.

 

[JustChip]

I think that the overall results are the issue with JG.
I can make the argument that he has had more talent than Greenbay, Seattle, Baltimore and New Orleans in his tenure and an equal amount of talent as NE and Pittsburg. ALL THOSE TEAMS HAVE SUPERBOWLS, repeat playoff visits, playoff success.

It's not the wins. At his level. It's now about playoff success and championships.

I agree it's all about the playoffs, but your assertion regarding the relative talent with the teams you mention is pure folly. A case could be made that, overall, they've had similar talent to Green Bay and New Orleans save for the QBs, and those 2 teams have HOF QBs. Maybe they have more talent than Baltimore, but Baltimore hasn't been exactly a playoff machine except for their SB season and they wouldn't even have had that if the Denver DB doesn't pull a Wilcox and totally misplay a pass.

Seattle definitely has had more, especially on the defensive side. I don't think their talent is on par with NE or Pittsburgh, again, because of the QB for both and, in Pittsburgh's case, the defense.

 

[Aviano90]

I was a Garrett supporter, but am not any longer. I gave him the opportunity to implement his process. I'm off the bandwagon for the following reasons:

• He instills a mindset into his players that the NFL is hard. It's hard to earn a roster spot, it's hard to score, it's hard to keep a team to 3 points, etc. The players can feel like they've already won just by participating.
  
• His game management isn't great. Use of timeouts, challenge flags, clock management is not good.
• He has a lassiez-faire game day approach. It's like he is just data collecting during the game to analyze later that week for the next game.
  
• He has a one size fits all approach to players during the game, which is encouraging during the game. He doesn't tailor his method to fit players or situations. Sometimes he should yell, sometimes he should cheer, sometimes he should sit someone on the bench. Players respond differently and immediate coaching vs. delayed coaching can possibly be the difference between a win and a loss.
  
• He doesn't seem to learn from mistakes OR doesn't view them as mistakes. How many times are we going to abandon the running game before he realizes abandoning the run is not good? How many times do we need to pass 3 times in a row near the goal line after using 4 first round picks building one of the most dominant running games in the league?
  
• His teams typically come out flat in big games. They don't step up and perform their best when the season is on the line.
• It's a results oriented league and the Cowboys have only made the post season twice in 7 years, winning only 1 WC game.

Those are my reasons.

 

[Idgit]

I don’t get the Gruden love beyond the fact that he seems like a cool dude. 9 years in a booth is a lot to overcome. And his deal is redonkulous.

Right now, the knock on Garrett is the playoff record. That’s progress from what the knock has been historically, but it’s still a knock. It comes down to whether or not you think we’re losing games because of coaching. Many seem to believe that.

Personally, I put it on the fact we’ve been unable to field a quality defense going back almost ten seasons now. Some of that’s on Garrett. A lot of it I put on the Joneses. Either way, it needs to be fixed and ought to be priority one this offseason. But it might not be.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I don't want Garrett but I didn't want Gruden either......retreads that have been out of coaching for an extended length of time normally don't regain what they once had, especially not deserving of a 10/100M contract.

Players get bigger and stronger every year which changes the dynamics of how Gruden used to coach years ago, hence coaches are getting younger as well to try and infuse a younger mindset which in turn changes the way the game is played.

 

[JustChip]

.... we hate on JG, some more than others. Some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why? Gruden took a team built by Dungy and staff to 1 SB (the year of the inheritance) then nothing. In fact Gruden, in his career as a HC Gruden's teams were a combined 14 games over .500. Pretty much the same as JG coached teams with 12.

Fact, JG coached teams are 12 games over .500 over the past 8 years as a HC. 10 games over .500 if you throw out 2010. Only a handful of coaches and teams have had a better W/L record over the past seven years. Those teams are NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans. There are 20 or so teams who have had fewer wins than the Cowboys over those 7 years.

I don't know about the majority of Cowboy fans but that tells me that HC changes rarely change a teams W/L record. If it did, 20 or so teams would have a better W/L record than JG coached teams over the past 7 seasons because most of them have had at least one HC'ing change.

Discuss among yourselves

Because that's what we've done since the early sixties. I guarantee you'd be hard pressed to find anyone today that wasn't clamoring to get rid of Jimmy Johnson after the 89 season. But at the time, you were hard pressed to find anyone that believed in Johnson and a capable NFL coach. It's been the same for the QB for 5 decades - the backup QB is always better than the starter and the backup should be the starter. There was no shortage of fans that wanted Steve Walsh over Aikman because Walsh was a "cerebral" QB. Never mind that he had a weaker arm and couldn't make the deep and sideline balls.

But hey, it'll be that way for the next 50 years too.

 

[condoin125]

Yeah I've never understood the Gruden love at all...I am glad he's out of the booth though. I hated his color commentary on Monday night football.

 

[CATCH17]

Garrett had Tony Romo and never produced anything. IT was Romo or nothing with this team for years.

Now we have a more balanced team and he relies solely on Plan A which is for our players to just line up and win their 1 on 1 and when they don't there is no plan B.


We need a more dynamic coach. We need someone that knows how to cover weaknesses. Our coaches are too reactionary and never ahead of things.

Garrett offers nothing on Sunday. I'm sure hes great Mon-Sat but on Sundays it's all Plan A with no Plan B.

 

[Bleedblue1111]

Probably because people are getting tired of seeing the same mistakes they have seen from a Garrett coached team, costing the Cowboys critical games season after season. They probably don't recall Gruden making mistakes like this over and over in big games.

The most recent example is the 1st and goal from the 3 yard line against Seattle. Pass, pass, pass, while you have one of the best short yardage offenses in the league, makes no sense. Turning away from the strength of your team in big games, sticks out like a sore thumb, under Garrett's command.

I personally would love to see Garrett win a Superbowl with the Cowboys, as I've been one of his biggest supporters in the past. However, I have to be honest with myself, and admit when the same coaching mistakes keep happening, that it's probably not likely.

 

[HowardC]

Yeah Gruden took Dungy's team to the SB and played the team HE built in Oakland...

 

[GenoT]

My issue with Jason Garrett as head coach isn’t so much his coaching abilities per se; although, until I see better playoff advancement, I’ll tend to view him as a mediocre HC.

My problem is the Jerry Jones/Garrett working dynamic. It’s obvious that JG doesn’t have a problem letting JJ make the lion’s share of state-of-the-team pronouncements. And if JG’s comfy with it, hell...let Jerry pontificate. That has nothing to do with the product on the field.

However, when it’s JJ’s input into player acquisitions and assistant hires/fires, I gotta ask: is Garrett 100% down with JJ’s involvement?

JG doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who, strictly on his own accord, would want players such as Rolando McClain, Greg Hardy or Randy Gregory on his roster. We’re these players brought in at JJ’s request or Garrett’s? Would JG simply be acquiescing to JJ’s wishes and figuring he can coach these troubled players? Or did JG demand these guys (two of whom no longer play, with the other being constantly suspended or under threat there of) be brought in himself?

Also, with most successful football teams — at any level — the HC usually has complete autonomy in choosing his staff. So...did Garrett himself select Kiffin, and then later promote Marinelli as his DC? Or did he allow Jerry to influence these hires? And, since JG initially acted as his own OC but then JJ decided he wanted a dedicated offensive play-caller (first was Bill Callahan), did Garrett choose Scott Linehan because he really wanted a play-caller other than himself, or because SL seemed the “lessor of all evils” in this regard?

IMHO, we have a decent GM and a decent HC... but are they the best combination to get us past the conference semifinals for the first time in 22 (and counting) seasons?

One Wildcard playoff win in seven full seasons tells me no.

 

[aikemirv]

The real question is would any coach do any better with JJ running around. We will never know of our scouting department was that bad or was it JJ picking the groceries. The things that get me is you draft EE at #4 and you don't give him the ball inside the 5 yard line? I know I am no professional coach but I would take my chances running it 3 times than I would throwing it. The coaches do things that just make you go what the heck was they thinking.

I agree but ask Pete Carroll the same question with Marshawn Lynch in the Super Bowl. No matter the play call, the players have to make plays and Cole Beasley was wide open in the endzone on one of those plays and Dak never saw him - right over the middle.

 

[cern]

the cowboy coaching situation is the ultimate conundrum. no really good coach will coach for jerry. the reasons have been etched in stone the last 22 years. ergo, that leaves only yes men like garrett. as long as jerry runs the club, this will not change. and the cowboys will never again go to the big dance.

 

[Sydla]

.... we hate on JG, some more than others. Some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why? Gruden took a team built by Dungy and staff to 1 SB (the year of the inheritance) then nothing. In fact Gruden, in his career as a HC Gruden's teams were a combined 14 games over .500. Pretty much the same as JG coached teams with 12.

Fact, JG coached teams are 12 games over .500 over the past 8 years as a HC. 10 games over .500 if you throw out 2010. Only a handful of coaches and teams have had a better W/L record over the past seven years. Those teams are NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans. There are 20 or so teams who have had fewer wins than the Cowboys over those 7 years.

I don't know about the majority of Cowboy fans but that tells me that HC changes rarely change a teams W/L record. If it did, 20 or so teams would have a better W/L record than JG coached teams over the past 7 seasons because most of them have had at least one HC'ing change.

Discuss among yourselves

Well let's start with Gruden. If you want to knock him for not having built the TB team that won the SB, then to be fair, you have to give him credit for building the Oakland team that he faced in the SB that first year. He had that Raiders team in an AFC Title game two years earlier. There is no real comparison between Garrett and Gruden.

The second part of your post is bizarre. It just says that teams have done a poor job in hiring coaches when they've had the chance to change coaches.

The fact Jason Garrett has the worst winning percentage amongst coaches on their jobs for the last 7 years (other than Marvin Lewis) tells me he's been employed far too long. Further, it gets worse when you shrink the time period. Over the last 5 years, he actually slips to 11th in winning percentage of coaches on the job for 5 seasons.

 

[Rockport]

if you are happy with mediocrity that is fine for YOU. Not for most of us. We believe in winning CHAMPIONSHIPS. ANYTHING less is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
JG has shown he is mediocre and should be shown the door but sadly will not.

If that is the standard you go by then the vast majority of coaches would suck.