We hate on JG, some more than others and some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why?

[Aviano90]

I really think you should do a little leg work and check the records and success (remember we're talking 2011 to 2017, the Garrett years) of SF, Houston, Giants, and Arizona over that time period, including their playoff record. I would do it for you but it's a good exercise. Bahaha on the Jags and Eagles. The Eagles have been there once in since 2011, losing a WC game. The Jag offs, also once, this year. The post is about Garretts coaching record and how he his teams have fared since he took over versus the rest

The Giants won a SB in 2011. I don’t need to do any leg work to know that is better than what we have accomplished. I would instantly trade their success for our success based upon that fact alone. Would you not?

SF went to 2 or 3 NFC championship games. They went to a Super Bowl. Do you really think we have been more successful than them because of our regulars season winning %?

Arizona has been to NFC Championship game and won more playoff games. Houston has been to playoffs twice as often and won more playoff games than us.

That’s the success lacking from the Cowboys. If Garrett was leading the team to the playoffs and competing in them then the criticism would probably dry up.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Differences?

Gruden - looks for a staff that chew broken glass for breakfast.

Garrett - reverts to the clapper. He claps his hands and sees which coaches light up...good guys can exist, but leadership in battle is sorely missing,

As bad as Gruden was before he "left"....I guess that chewing broken glass wasn't much better than clapping.

 

[Rockport]

Seems to me your posts are 99% apologist..............but you know what, I don't cry like a baby over what others post. If you want to post 100 messages a day over how great Garrett is and how great the Organization is, go for it, I really don't care as long as you follow the rules.

See, that is the difference between you and me, I don't care what you post or how many times you post it. You on the other hand go from thread to thread crying like a baby about what others post, in fact almost all of your posts lately are complaining about other posters. I would think you would have better things to do with your time than worry about what anonymous strangers say on the Internet, but maybe you don't.

I like the forum and your constant moaning over everything Cowboys makes visiting here a lot less enjoyable.

 

[KalEl]

He took his team to the SB with the Raiders the year before Dungy..

100% wrong. Gruden never took the Raiders to a SB. Never got past the divisional round. Bill Callahan took the Raiders to the SB and faced the Dungy Bucs coached by Gruden.

 

[Aviano90]

100% wrong. Gruden never took the Raiders to a SB. Never got past the divisional round. Bill Callahan took the Raiders to the SB and faced the Dungy Bucs coached by Gruden.

He did make it past the divisional round in 2000. The Raiders lost to the Ravens in the AFC Championship game.

 

[cml750]

I like the forum and your constant moaning over everything Cowboys makes visiting here a lot less enjoyable.

Why not use the ignore feature?

 

[CCBoy]

Why not use the ignore feature?

Some posters are just 'regular Joes.' They prefer to at least present a common ground approach.

 

[Rockport]

Why not use the ignore feature?

I enjoy the police work.

 

[Haimerej]

Sure it should. You know my prediction for last year was 8-8 and I gave a laundry list of reasons why. But I am not going to consider a regular season wining % successful when the team rarely makes the playoffs.

Is it just the coaches that made you say 8-8?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

The Giants won a SB in 2011. I don’t need to do any leg work to know that is better than what we have accomplished. I would instantly trade their success for our success based upon that fact alone. Would you not?

SF went to 2 or 3 NFC championship games. They went to a Super Bowl. Do you really think we have been more successful than them because of our regulars season winning %?

Arizona has been to NFC Championship game and won more playoff games. Houston has been to playoffs twice as often and won more playoff games than us.

That’s the success lacking from the Cowboys. If Garrett was leading the team to the playoffs and competing in them then the criticism would probably dry up.

I'd trade what the Giants had in a heartbeat. 2 SB titles and mediocrity compared to just mediocrity.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Gruden built the Raiders up and won a SB in TB with Dungy's team. He's much better than Garrett. I know Garrett's still building something special here.

 

[Aviano90]

Is it just the coaches that made you say 8-8?

Nope. They were part of it though. Other reasons were suspensions, new secondary, decline in offensive production compared 2016 because they were so efficient it would be hard to sustain, and I really didn’t see an improvement in defensive pressure coming. (although was surprised at that improvement).

 

[Captain43Crash]

Yep there are 21 other teams that keep clamoring for HC changes too. Most have changed them. Most have found out that it's not all on the HC. In fact the most successful teams (NE, Steelers, Chiefs, Bengals, Ravens, Pak, seahawks and Saints) stick with one HC. Hell, the Saints have had some damned dismal season over the past 7 years spread among some good ones, Payton is still there. Man we'd have called for his head after 2014, 2015 and 2016!! Now look back In the playoffs! What??. After three 7-9 seasons on a row?? You must be joking. With Sean Patton as coach? Surely you jest.

We'd all like to think that firing Garrett will change our fortune. 21 teams have done that over the past 7 seasons. It usually doesn't turn out well. Does that mean we shouldn't try to improve? Try to improve the team through the draft? Hell no, improve and if the team still struggles along at 8-8 with no playoff appearances in the next year or two, fire the dude. I'm 50ish. I can wait a few more years

Why wait a few more years to get rid of Garrett? As Parcells often said, you are what your record says you are. Garrett has had, way, above average talent over the last 8 years. Vs teams with losing records, over this time, his record is above average, vs teams with winning records over this time his record is terrible, way below 500. When you get to the playoffs you play good teams. Garrett has proven over and over and over again his teams CANNOT beat good teams on a consistent basis. Like most realistic Cowboys fans, I have 0 confidence Garrett can win 2-3 playoff games in a row, then win a Super Bowl. Garrett does not pass the eye test. He has proven, he is a mediocre coach even with above average talent. Yes, changing coaches does not guarantee the Super Bowl win, most of us want( some are happy watching a 500 team year after year), but changing coaches does give us a chance to WIN a Super Bowl, unlike Garrett, who has proven, he is not capable of coaching this team to a Super Bowl victory. Finally, it is ridiculous to compare Garrett to Sean Payton, a Super Bowl winning coach. I, and probably most Cowboys fans, would love to have Payton as our coach.

 

[Keithfansince5]

I see the truth hurts. Again I only call out the constant bashers of not only Garrett, but Dak, Jones and every other person associated with the Cowboys. You’re obviously one of them. Attacking the truth seems to be the thing to do in this country these days. It does no one any good to whine, post after post after post about everything Cowboys. Just look at the threads. The Cowboys can’t do anything right if you read them. No matter what coach they are rumored to bring in people ***** about it. It’s a sign of character deficiency when the same people are doing the complaining over and over again. I don’t like what’s happened in the last 20 years either. Jones is responsible for it. But he’s not going anywhere. Garretts not going anywhere. Dak’s not going anywhere. So take your constant misery somewhere else.

I am amused that you would take offense to something someone else has to say. Honestly, if that is their opinion why do you feel they should not be allowed to say it? This is a forum which is synonymous with OPINIONS. Everything posted here is an opinion based on facts. Facts are facts but using a fact to support a viewpoint is called an opinion. We all have them and everyone has the RIGHT to express theirs, even you. I support your right to defend Garrett, Dak, Jones and every single thing you want. If you go on this site posting comments ad nausea about your feelings of Garrett and Dak, that is your right. If I agree with it or don't, it is still your right given to you by the owners of this site. If I disagree with your comments, I can choose to not read them or read them. What you have to say doesn't effect me one iota. My question to you is, why do you care what I or anyone else has to say or how many times we say it? How does it effect YOU?

 

[Captain43Crash]

It took me a while to warm up to Dak. There's no doubt he's a project. Made my opinion known his rookie season and don't want to debate him anymore. He is the foreseeable future.

I think what the staff has accomplished not just with him but guys like Swaim, Brown, Collins, Irving, etc. are testaments of their teaching and dare I say, gameplanning. I know that's crazy thinking to some, but I don't see the benefit to blowing up what's in place. Hell, I could be wrong.

Respectfully, I think your wrong. Garrett is the problem. I hope I am wrong, but with Garrett we will never win a Super Bowl!! I don’t see how any fan can have any confidence in Garrett’s coaching after watching the Atlanta game. Half way through the first quarter I was yelling at the TV, give Green(Chaz) help!! Neither, Garrett or Linehan ever helped Green by chipping etc. throughout the whole game. Garrett let one position, Right DE destroy our offense that whole game. This was completely unacceptable!! If any coach ever deserved to be fired on the spot it was Garrett, after that game. Dak’s mediocre play started after that game and I don’t think Chaz Green will ever be the same. I think Garrett ruined Green mentally. We should just release Green.

 

[Keithfansince5]

Guess you never visited after a loss ; )

Lol. Actually reading the Game Day Thread was the best haha. However, once the dust settled all of the Cowboy apologists would show their faces again. We had a good mix but I tend to agree that most where apologists than realists.

 

[khiladi]

100% wrong. Gruden never took the Raiders to a SB. Never got past the divisional round. Bill Callahan took the Raiders to the SB and faced the Dungy Bucs coached by Gruden.

I couldn’t correct because it was too late but your correct. But the analogy still applies. If Gruden took Dungy’s team to a SB victory, Callahan took Gruden’s team to the SB.

 

[GORICO]

.... we hate on JG, some more than others. Some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why? Gruden took a team built by Dungy and staff to 1 SB (the year of the inheritance) then nothing. In fact Gruden, in his career as a HC Gruden's teams were a combined 14 games over .500. Pretty much the same as JG coached teams with 12.

Fact, JG coached teams are 12 games over .500 over the past 8 years as a HC. 10 games over .500 if you throw out 2010. Only a handful of coaches and teams have had a better W/L record over the past seven years. Those teams are NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans. There are 20 or so teams who have had fewer wins than the Cowboys over those 7 years.

I don't know about the majority of Cowboy fans but that tells me that HC changes rarely change a teams W/L record. If it did, 20 or so teams would have a better W/L record than JG coached teams over the past 7 seasons because most of them have had at least one HC'ing change.

Discuss among yourselves

Mr northerncowboynation--- Just reading the "heading" of the topic you chose....you did it ...to get a RISE out of the crowd here....there is no other justification or reasoning for such a heading topic..hahahahahaha.....very funny my friend very funny...i must say

if JG brought us a super bowl win....things would be much different....but mainly JG is a .500 coach with a couple seasons of good play that fell in his lap...cant win in post season....sd all i can say is....you picked a great topic to get a rise out of the folks here

 

[GORICO]

I remember when the fans forced a change at QB when Danny White had us in 3 straight NFC Championship games. Now we are happy if we occasionally make the playoffs every couple of years. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

mr PA Cowboy Fan--- i must totally agree with your assessment .....how fare we have fallen ...i remember when Hogaboom was brought in to replace White...cause we could not get past the NFC championship game....in 22 years since our last SB win we have won ...2 wild card playoff games...no division games ...no championship games no super bowl games...2 measely wild card games....we have fallen so far....the fans dont even know what a win is anymore

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

mr PA Cowboy Fan--- i must totally agree with your assessment .....how fare we have fallen ...i remember when Hogaboom was brought in to replace White...cause we could not get past the NFC championship game....in 22 years since our last SB win we have won ...2 wild card playoff games...no division games ...no championship games no super bowl games...2 measely wild card games....we have fallen so far....the fans dont even know what a win is anymore

It's true. All we have are our memories of what the Cowboys used to be. The sad part is there is no excuse for it. Jerry could change it all if he really wanted to but he's happy with the status quo.