We hate on JG, some more than others and some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why?

khiladi said:
I know what your taking about, but he really said it in a way that was more that he will completely be away from the offense.



He then went on to say in typical Jerry speak to make it sound like Garrett wasn’t being relegated to a clapper:



So basically it was, Garrett totally sucks at play calling and we don’t want him here and I know you think that is weird, but he will deal with the ambiguity in the new set-up. He’s good at it. But just to protect his image, we will say he will get his words in on defense.


https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/24/5443946/jerry-jones-cowboys-crying-jason-garrett
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Ick. I'll just bow to your knowledge on this one!!!
 
Aviano90 said:
I was a Garrett supporter, but am not any longer. I gave him the opportunity to implement his process. I'm off the bandwagon for the following reasons:

  • He instills a mindset into his players that the NFL is hard. It's hard to earn a roster spot, it's hard to score, it's hard to keep a team to 3 points, etc. The players can feel like they've already won just by participating.
  • His game management isn't great. Use of timeouts, challenge flags, clock management is not good.
  • He has a lassiez-faire game day approach. It's like he is just data collecting during the game to analyze later that week for the next game.
  • He has a one size fits all approach to players during the game, which is encouraging during the game. He doesn't tailor his method to fit players or situations. Sometimes he should yell, sometimes he should cheer, sometimes he should sit someone on the bench. Players respond differently and immediate coaching vs. delayed coaching can possibly be the difference between a win and a loss.
  • He doesn't seem to learn from mistakes OR doesn't view them as mistakes. How many times are we going to abandon the running game before he realizes abandoning the run is not good? How many times do we need to pass 3 times in a row near the goal line after using 4 first round picks building one of the most dominant running games in the league?
  • His teams typically come out flat in big games. They don't step up and perform their best when the season is on the line.
  • It's a results oriented league and the Cowboys have only made the post season twice in 7 years, winning only 1 WC game.
Those are my reasons.
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Just to clarify- I liked this because it's the first post I recognized heath.
 
khiladi said:
Not really.. Jerry basically said that in the context of him not touching the offense. He basically said they didn’t need his input on offense and he can walk around with the defense in practice.

And then he said that Garrett has a high tolerance for ambiguity meaning his role wouldn’t be explicitly defined.

Garrett is basically the guy in Office Space who delivers the requirements to the developers. “Why can’t the requirement guys deliver it themselves?”
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He is more like the thick glasses guy who carries on and on about his stapler. Who keeps getting moved further and further away. lol.
 
What QB's has Gruden coached? Rich Gannon when he was in Oakland. He never had a QB like Romo. What if he did?
 
Rockport said:
I’m on board with giving him 1 more year. So are the Cowboys. We have to deal with it and move on. Constant *****ing and moaning about does no one any good except for the ones doing the *****ing and moaning.
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Dude, did you even read the title of the thread?

The guy making the thread specifically asked "why" fans would prefer Gruden or some other coach over Garrett.

So I gave a very factual, logical, and reasoned answer to his question. I never said "because Garrett sucks" or "because he claps too much", I specifically tied my reasoning to his lack of results over the past seven years and how that compared to similar coaches around the league.

Then you come in and say its biotching and moaning even though my post specifically answered the question the OP was asking. In fact, you do this in almost every thread that has anything negative to say about your boy Garrett. If you want to defend Garrett, then do it.

Have some balls like Idgit and defend Garrett with actual reasons, not hiding behind the argument that criticism is just complaining by fans.
 
Beast_from_East said:
Dude, did you even read the title of the thread?

The guy making the thread specifically asked "why" fans would prefer Gruden or some other coach over Garrett.

So I gave a very factual, logical, and reasoned answer to his question. I never said "because Garrett sucks" or "because he claps too much", I specifically tied my reasoning to his lack of results over the past seven years and how that compared to similar coaches around the league.

Then you come in and say its biotching and moaning even though my post specifically answered the question the OP was asking. In fact, you do this in almost every thread that has anything negative to say about your boy Garrett. If you want to defend Garrett, then do it.

Have some balls like Idgit and defend Garrett with actual reasons, not hiding behind the argument that criticism is just complaining by fans.
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You don’t get it. I’m not defending Garrett. He needs to put up next year or he should be replaced. I’m sick and tired of people like you who all they do is ***** and moan about it. Over and over and over again. Man up and except that he’s going to be here and move on and quit the Constant whining about him.
 
Aviano90 said:
I was a Garrett supporter, but am not any longer. I gave him the opportunity to implement his process. I'm off the bandwagon for the following reasons:

  • He instills a mindset into his players that the NFL is hard. It's hard to earn a roster spot, it's hard to score, it's hard to keep a team to 3 points, etc. The players can feel like they've already won just by participating.
  • His game management isn't great. Use of timeouts, challenge flags, clock management is not good.
  • He has a lassiez-faire game day approach. It's like he is just data collecting during the game to analyze later that week for the next game.
  • He has a one size fits all approach to players during the game, which is encouraging during the game. He doesn't tailor his method to fit players or situations. Sometimes he should yell, sometimes he should cheer, sometimes he should sit someone on the bench. Players respond differently and immediate coaching vs. delayed coaching can possibly be the difference between a win and a loss.
  • He doesn't seem to learn from mistakes OR doesn't view them as mistakes. How many times are we going to abandon the running game before he realizes abandoning the run is not good? How many times do we need to pass 3 times in a row near the goal line after using 4 first round picks building one of the most dominant running games in the league?
  • His teams typically come out flat in big games. They don't step up and perform their best when the season is on the line.
  • It's a results oriented league and the Cowboys have only made the post season twice in 7 years, winning only 1 WC game.
Those are my reasons.
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Great post!
 
Rockport said:
You don’t get it. I’m not defending Garrett. He needs to put up next year or he should be replaced. I’m sick and tired of people like you who all they do is ***** and moan about it. Over and over and over again. Man up and except that he’s going to be here and move on and quit the Constant whining about him.
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Really, you should stop btching and moaning about the people who clearly see Garrett does not have the skill set to be a HC in this league. Were so sick of people like you. Get over it and man up. Your constant whining about "please give him one more year" does nothing except make yourself feel good.

Now look in a mirror.
 
Rockport said:
You don’t get it. I’m not defending Garrett. He needs to put up next year or he should be replaced. I’m sick and tired of people like you who all they do is ***** and moan about it. Over and over and over again. Man up and except that he’s going to be here and move on and quit the Constant whining about him.
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Categorizing valid discourse as whining is just a lame excuse to suppress opinions you disagree with. Truth is you're the one *****ing and moaning about those you perceive as "whiners".
 
Jarv said:
Really, you should stop btching and moaning about the people who clearly see Garrett does not have the skill set to be a HC in this league. Were so sick of people like you. Get over it and man up. Your constant whining about "please give him one more year" does nothing except make yourself feel good.

Now look in a mirror.
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Don’t lie Jarv. I never said “please give him one more year”. I said I’m on board with the decision to give him 1 more year. What I’m pointing out is people who constantly come here, thread after thread, post after post crying about Garrett. Now YOU man up and move on and pull your panties out of the tight wad they’re in.
 
Rockport said:
Don’t lie Jarv. I never said “please give him one more year”. I said I’m on board with the decision to give him 1 more year. What I’m pointing out is people who constantly come here, thread after thread, post after post crying about Garrett. Now YOU man up and move on and pull your panties out of the tight wad they’re in.
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Quit being a whiner *****. All you do is whine. I'm sick of you following behind every opinionated post about JG and crying about it. Now man up and pull the panties out of your tight wad because God knows they're the only panties you're ever going to touch in your pathetic virgin life.
 
Blake said:
Quit being a whiner *****. All you do is whine. I'm sick of you following behind every opinionated post about JG and crying about it. Now man up and pull the panties out of your tight wad because God knows they're the only panties you're ever going to touch in your pathetic virgin life.
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I see the truth hurts. Again I only call out the constant bashers of not only Garrett, but Dak, Jones and every other person associated with the Cowboys. You’re obviously one of them. Attacking the truth seems to be the thing to do in this country these days. It does no one any good to whine, post after post after post about everything Cowboys. Just look at the threads. The Cowboys can’t do anything right if you read them. No matter what coach they are rumored to bring in people ***** about it. It’s a sign of character deficiency when the same people are doing the complaining over and over again. I don’t like what’s happened in the last 20 years either. Jones is responsible for it. But he’s not going anywhere. Garretts not going anywhere. Dak’s not going anywhere. So take your constant misery somewhere else.
 
Rockport said:
I see the truth hurts. Again I only call out the constant bashers of not only Garrett, but Dak, Jones and every other person associated with the Cowboys. You’re obviously one of them. Attacking the truth seems to be the thing to do in this country these days. It does no one any good to whine, post after post after post about everything Cowboys. Just look at the threads. The Cowboys can’t do anything right if you read them. No matter what coach they are rumored to bring in people ***** about it. It’s a sign of character deficiency when the same people are doing the complaining over and over again. I don’t like what’s happened in the last 20 years either. Jones is responsible for it. But he’s not going anywhere. Garretts not going anywhere. Dak’s not going anywhere. So take your constant misery somewhere else.
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I'm not looking to jump into an argument, but here's some free advice in the form of a reminder:

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/stop-with-the-call-out-posts.394823/
 
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