Tyron Smith's back troubles

[Stash]

It,s not your back or their back or your choice or their choice so why comment on something you don't know anything about? Maybe this is the advice the Doctors give......

I'm not talking about "choice", I'm talking about results.

The "choice" they made last year didn't work, and the results weren't good. Why should anyone expect different results if they do the same thing?

 

[aikemirv]

It,s not your back or your choice so why comment on something you don't know anything about?

I'm not talking about "choice", I'm talking about results.

The "choice" they made last year didn't work, and the results weren't good. Why should anyone expect different results if they do the same thing?

That is really not the point. You are just complaining too complain without knowing any of the details at all regarding his condition. A lot of times back surgery don't make conditions better so this may be the best option whether it is the same or not!

I mean if you want to complain that he is injured then fine, but you can't blame the staff for this without knowing the details - that's just ridiculous! I am sure the staff is not telling him the best thing to do, that would be Dr's. Staff could create a huge liability for the Cowboys giving medical advice!

 

[Stash]

That is really not the point. You are just complaining too complain without knowing any of the details at all regarding his condition. A lot of times back surgery don't make conditions better so this may be the best option whether it is the same or not!

I mean if you want to complain that he is injured then fine, but you can't blame the staff for this without knowing the details - that's just ridiculous! I am sure the staff is not telling him the best thing to do, that would be Dr's. Staff could create a huge liability for the Cowboys giving medical advice!

I'm "complaining" about poor results. Poor results that continue to hurt this team.

That is the point.

If you want to go around telling yourself that doing the same thing will yield different results, you go ahead and do that. There's a name for that type of thinking.

 

[Doc50]

Most all back pain is an impinged nerve ... that's a pretty simple assumption. The nerve pathway needs to be free. The only other thought would be an early onset bone degeneration syndrome (still causes nerve impingement) but would require retirement.

On the lay person back pain can be treated conservatively (without invasive surgery). If you are a profession offensive lineman, well, not so much.

The operation I allayed to in my previous post in this thread...release the nerve(s) and strengthen the bony structure or some other precedure ensuring vertebral spacing and intergrity.

This assumption is a bit askew.

While all pain signals are transmitted via nerves, most are microscopic sensory fibers. If there is no involvement of motor nerves, then there is no compromise of function, except for the obvious apprehension one has in causing pain. The large motor nerve roots that exit the spine are the predominant source of surgical intervention. A disc rupture may not necessarily cause entrapment of one of these nerve roots, and if it does it still may be relieved if the fragment of disc material is dislodged from its position of compression, possibly just through PT or even just range of motion exercises. If entrapment is present and is not corrected, the nerve will slowly degenerate, and motor function will gradually and permanently be lost. Therefore, those surgeries are necessary to preserve normal function.

Only about 1% of all back pain that we routinely see is surgical. Even in the simplest of cases (like Tony's) where a small fibrous fragment can simply be plucked from its site of entrapment using a scope, the body can overzealously create excess scar tissue at the site, and lead to a less than optimal outcome. Mechanical lumbar pain and sciatica are common non-surgical issues than can certainly limit one's activities, but must be managed conservatively. Transient impingement (pressure) on smaller nerves will surely cause pain and debility, but this can usually be overcome by proper rehab and maintenance.

BTW, a bulging disc is usually totally asymptomatic; about 10% of normal folks have one.

So, Tyron's situation (like most others) should require rest and rehab; I'm sure he and the team will do what's best for the short and long term.
He may retire within a year, or he may play for another 7; football is uncertain, like life.

 

[Sydla]

This assumption is a bit askew.

While all pain signals are transmitted via nerves, most are microscopic sensory fibers. If there is no involvement of motor nerves, then there is no compromise of function, except for the obvious apprehension one has in causing pain. The large motor nerve roots that exit the spine are the predominant source of surgical intervention. A disc rupture may not necessarily cause entrapment of one of these nerve roots, and if it does it still may be relieved if the fragment of disc material is dislodged from its position of compression, possibly just through PT or even just range of motion exercises. If entrapment is present and is not corrected, the nerve will slowly degenerate, and motor function will gradually and permanently be lost. Therefore, those surgeries are necessary to preserve normal function.

Only about 1% of all back pain that we routinely see is surgical. Even in the simplest of cases (like Tony's) where a small fibrous fragment can simply be plucked from its site of entrapment using a scope, the body can overzealously create excess scar tissue at the site, and lead to a less than optimal outcome. Mechanical lumbar pain and sciatica are common non-surgical issues than can certainly limit one's activities, but must be managed conservatively. Transient impingement (pressure) on smaller nerves will surely cause pain and debility, but this can usually be overcome by proper rehab and maintenance.

BTW, a bulging disc is usually totally asymptomatic; about 10% of normal folks have one.

So, Tyron's situation (like most others) should require rest and rehab; I'm sure he and the team will do what's best for the short and long term.
He may retire within a year, or he may play for another 7; football is uncertain, like life.

Good take but my question is they've tried the rest and rehab course of action and it doesn't appear to be working as he still continues to have significant flare ups.

I tried the rest and rehab course of treatment and after about 9 months it was obvious it was only providing short, temporary relief. So at the age of 21, I opted for surgery. Now, granted, my issue could be totally different than what Smith is facing as I don't know the extent, severity or even actual diagnosis for Smith. Also, the extent of my athletic career at that time was a lot of golf, playing basketball in pickup games in college and some summer league baseball.

 

[CWR]

Man this is tough. Typically one of the best things you can do for a bad back is strengthen your core.

Tyron already looks to be rock solid though.

However, alot of core exercises should be at the top of his regiment along with a ton of stretching and flexibility training.

After that we are somehow going to have yo find a way to preserve him....

Surgery is a last ditch option which may help or make his back even more brittle. Im not speaking medically at all, before @Doc50 slaps my wrist. Im going off of the many people Ive known that have had a variety of back surgeries.

Its no secret we need a good back up tackle capable of starting and playing for extended periods.

 

[aikemirv]

I'm "complaining" about poor results. Poor results that continue to hurt this team.

That is the point.

If you want to go around telling yourself that doing the same thing will yield different results, you go ahead and do that. There's a name for that type of thinking.

Back problems are not sprained ankles. Sometimes you don't end up with good results - you just manage it!

 

[Otto65]

Tyron isn’t the only OL dealing with a bulging disc concern. La’el Collins also had issues although he was able to play through it. This should be a major concern. Can you imagine what are line would look like if both go down next year? The word so far via Draft experts is.. there’s only a handful of true “plug-n-play” OLineman in this years draft. I believe a 1st round OL should be a priority OR atleast move up with the 2nd round.

Here’s a few causes of bulging disk issues..Just food for thought:

• Working in an occupation that requires repetitive lifting, bending, standing or driving
• Improper lifting techniques
• Participation in contact sports
• Smoking and excessive alcohol consumption
• Severe trauma, such as a car accident
• A family history of disc disease

I delivered beer for 34 years. Everyone at the plant had a bulging or herniated disc. It is never right. You can wake up in the morning fine, bend over to put your sock on and you are out of work for a couple of days. They recommend stretching. They also say tight hamstrings cause a lot of this. Once you hurt your back you are never the same. You always try to protect it from the next time you will hurt it. Surgery works for some, but not all.

 

[conner01]

I know people have their list of free agents we need to add but to me the most important add should be a solid swing tackle if nothing else. And hope he never plays a snap

 

[Stash]

Back problems are not sprained ankles. Sometimes you don't end up with good results - you just manage it!

Or in the case of Smith and the Cowboys, you miss games for consecutive years and don't "just manage it".

And the team and entire seasons suffer as a result. A pattern that shouldn't continue.

Unless of course people need built-in excuses for why bad things happen and seasons are lost.

 

[aikemirv]

Or in the case of Smith and the Cowboys, you miss games for consecutive years and don't "just manage it".

And the team and entire seasons suffer as a result. A pattern that shouldn't continue.

Unless of course people need built-in excuses for why bad things happen and seasons are lost.

You are just complaining to complain! You have no basis to say that the staff has screwed up. You have no basis to say that this was their decision and not Tyrons. You have no basis to say whether or not this was a Dr's reccomendation. Until then you are just a constant complainer.

 

[Stash]

You are just complaining to complain! You have no basis to say that the staff has screwed up. You have no basis to say that this was their decision and not Tyrons. You have no basis to say whether or not this was a Dr's reccomendation. Until then you are just a constant complainer.

And you're an excuse maker, plain and simple. Nothing is "anybody's fault" in Dallas, stuff just happens. It's all luck.

As I've said before, im complaining about poor results. I really don't care who's decision it was. The results suck. The guy has missed repeated games in back to back seasons, and it's hurt this team.

I do know that the team has a say in what a player does to treat an injury and it's not simply up to them. You make it sound as if a player can say "yeah, my ACL is torn, but I'm not gonna have surgery, nah, I'm good, deal with it team!"

As I've said, I don't care who decided what, all I care about is that it was the wrong decision and nothing's been fixed or improved.

If not wanting to see another season wasted by doing the same thing, expecting different results, makes me a "complainer"? So be it. I'd rather be that than the definition of insanity, doing the same things expecting different results.

 

[jobberone]

Unless you have access to him, his exams and interviews, and testing such as MRI, CT, CT myelogram, and EMGs then you are wildly speculating a diagnosis and treatment plans.

We know nothing other than he obviously doesn't have to have surgery right now.

So we wait. And it is a good idea to have a replacement plan or a way to augment the tackle position.

 

[McKDaddy]

Why is it that when we lose our best player at a position. The whole squad tanks. Is it lack of depth , Coaching or attitude. I see other teams such as Philly this year and GB previously not only survive but thrive.

On offense, its because play design & calls are so basic that every D already knows what we are going to run. We are only successful when we simply have more talent &\or execute at a high level. Anything that takes away from the talent\execution gives the D the advantage.

On D, that is a tougher question as it surely seems to revolve around Lee. Obviously he is very diligent student of the game. Maybe they just don't trust themselves to correctly diagnose the plays & thus everyone gets nervous. I know i have heard Hitch say that he went against Lee's call a time or two & learned the hard way that Lee was right. You would hope he would have learned how to diagnose by now .... but some players just don't have the same feel for the game.

 

[conner01]

On offense, its because play design & calls are so basic that every D already knows what we are going to run. We are only successful when we simply have more talent &\or execute at a high level. Anything that takes away from the talent\execution gives the D the advantage.

On D, that is a tougher question as it surely seems to revolve around Lee. Obviously he is very diligent student of the game. Maybe they just don't trust themselves to correctly diagnose the plays & thus everyone gets nervous. I know i have heard Hitch say that he went against Lee's call a time or two & learned the hard way that Lee was right. You would hope he would have learned how to diagnose by now .... but some players just don't have the same feel for the game.

I think it’s more Lee is just an elite player mentally
He has such a feel for the game that most players just don’t have

 

[TheSport78]

Ain't nobody getting surgery for a bulging disc. Good lord.

 

[TheSport78]

Chiropractor
They may not know exactly what the hell they're doing but a good one can fix it.

I had 2 fixed by the same guy now I can't bend over and lift 100 lb without some pain a couple days later but I could play a pretty mean left tackle.
But all bulging discs are different so who knows.
Sadly sounds like we can't depend on him from here on out

An external source does not "fix" a disc.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I don't see him playing 16 regular season games ever again and I hope we plan accordingly.

Our offensive line is what separates us from other teams and if you start trotting out 3rd tier players like Cooper and Bell then it can really take away what we do well.


WE need a guy that can play tackle or guard or we need to do some shifting with MArtin whenever Tyron goes out.

I fully expect the organization to try and push Chaz Green or some other scrub on us because that is what they do but we need to invest at that spot to sure things up.


I still can't get over how Chaz Green looked like a pretty good player in 2016 and just looked out of his league in 17.

Cooper was not the problem, it was Bell and Green, who put the falcon LB in the HOF for one game only.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

This assumption is a bit askew.

While all pain signals are transmitted via nerves, most are microscopic sensory fibers. If there is no involvement of motor nerves, then there is no compromise of function, except for the obvious apprehension one has in causing pain. The large motor nerve roots that exit the spine are the predominant source of surgical intervention. A disc rupture may not necessarily cause entrapment of one of these nerve roots, and if it does it still may be relieved if the fragment of disc material is dislodged from its position of compression, possibly just through PT or even just range of motion exercises. If entrapment is present and is not corrected, the nerve will slowly degenerate, and motor function will gradually and permanently be lost. Therefore, those surgeries are necessary to preserve normal function.

Only about 1% of all back pain that we routinely see is surgical. Even in the simplest of cases (like Tony's) where a small fibrous fragment can simply be plucked from its site of entrapment using a scope, the body can overzealously create excess scar tissue at the site, and lead to a less than optimal outcome. Mechanical lumbar pain and sciatica are common non-surgical issues than can certainly limit one's activities, but must be managed conservatively. Transient impingement (pressure) on smaller nerves will surely cause pain and debility, but this can usually be overcome by proper rehab and maintenance.

BTW, a bulging disc is usually totally asymptomatic; about 10% of normal folks have one.

So, Tyron's situation (like most others) should require rest and rehab; I'm sure he and the team will do what's best for the short and long term.
He may retire within a year, or he may play for another 7; football is uncertain, like life.

Who is Tony?

I don't know of any atrophy associated with Tyron's issue(s) I see that pain appears to be affecting his ability to play football and when he does play he is unable to play at previous levels IMO. How much his other quality of life is affected is unknown. I think maybe he's exhibiting some guarding behaviors which could be contributing to other occurring injuries.

Football is uncertain but it seems that playing football pretty certainly cause Tyron to have recurring back problems, which we assume is pain and not weakness. Conservative treatment hasn't alleviated the problem. Surgery is a crapshoot too.

 

[blueblood70]

first off a lot are right not oe person here knows his true condition HIPPA laws prevent the cowboys from disclosing as well..Im sure they know the extent of the injury and TS and his people have endlessly discussed options..

they will do whats best for Tyrone and he will decide what limits to push..

lastly he missed only two ghames in 2016 and from what we were told he had an early hip pointer and at the end he had the knee and we witnessed that on replay, it looked ugly..so he missed zero games due to back this past season..they limit practice etc and when he looked right he looked like his old self..having 3 injurys is hard to overcome..

its insane on here with all those acting as if they know what the true situation IS..