"Top Defenses" are overrated; this is still a QB league

[Gameover]

It's a who the better team is league

Always will be.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien dont agree with OP.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

"What happened to that vaunted Jaguars D?"

Shredded in Pittsburgh AND New England

"What about the Vikings?"

Shredded by Nick Foles in a championship game (let that sink in for a while).

"Okay, well, Philly's D can take down Brady and the Patriots."

You know that will be the rhetoric over the next 2 weeks. If you believe that, let me have some of that kool aid you're drinking.

Enough of this "build through the defense" crap. Give me a franchise QB with a stout OL, good HC, and serviceable defense and you can keep your "top notch" D with a pedestrian QB. This is the way it is in the modern day NFL. Especially since so many defensive maneuvers that were acceptable 30-40 years ago would get flagged today.

Edit: New England's D is better than average for sure, probably top 10 in the league, but they can be had too. But when you have Brady and Bill...

We have a franchise QB but most of the fans here won't allow him to develop and sit back and wait for one mistake so they can bash him. By doing that they miss the entire point that it's the coaching staff.

Most will agree Romo was a top 5-10 QB with Dallas...... Didn't win nothing.

Look at the Rams and Jacksonville. Terrible teams that changed coaches and with almost the same roster turned the team around. Look at Philly with Pederson, able to win games with a subpar QB. Belichek won double digit games with Cassel.

Our coaches don't adjust and have no clue how to put our players in positions to succeed. They think talent will always beat lesser talent.

This is a Madden reference but it works. They have a mode called ultimate team where you get players to make a team. These players have different ratings and the higher the rating the better the player is. Now a person can spend real money to get the best players and have a stack team but I have seen people with a bad ranked team beat other with the best of teams because of scheme and play calling. Even though they aren't the fastest or strongest they are able to move players around in a position to win.

Until folks realize we go into every game behind because of coaching the better. Romo and Dak have the talent to win it..... Coaching gets it done.

Look at the Giants beating the undefeated Patriots. Patriots were more talented but the Giants were more prepared. This year with Jacksonville beating Pittsburgh, Tennessee beating KC. Foles beating Vikings and Atlanta

 

[rwalters31]

"What happened to that vaunted Jaguars D?"

Shredded in Pittsburgh AND New England

"What about the Vikings?"

Shredded by Nick Foles in a championship game (let that sink in for a while).

"Okay, well, Philly's D can take down Brady and the Patriots."

You know that will be the rhetoric over the next 2 weeks. If you believe that, let me have some of that kool aid you're drinking.

Enough of this "build through the defense" crap. Give me a franchise QB with a stout OL, good HC, and serviceable defense and you can keep your "top notch" D with a pedestrian QB. This is the way it is in the modern day NFL. Especially since so many defensive maneuvers that were acceptable 30-40 years ago would get flagged today.

Edit: New England's D is better than average for sure, probably top 10 in the league, but they can be had too. But when you have Brady and Bill...

Almost all the SB winning teams had very good defense. Your "serviceable defense" has been Jerry Jones motto for the last 20 some years, how has that worked? Without Great defense you have NO chance, I repeat NO chance of getting to a SB. Now, it does not hurt to have an efficient offense and ST as well. Having very good coaching for a team plan, schemes, and using your talent efficiently doesn't hurt either.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Also saw today having an aggressive mentality the whole game matters also. Jags went up 20-10 then were satisfied doing 1 yard dives by Fournette.

Eagles got up and kept throwing deep ball after deep ball. And having a QB that can connect helps

 

[percyhoward]

Enough of this "build through the defense" crap. ...

Points per drive

OFFENSE
1 Patriots
2 Saints
3 Steelers
4 Rams
5 Eagles
6 Chiefs

DEFENSE
1 Jaguars
2 Eagles
3 Chargers
4 Vikings
5 Ravens
6 Patriots

 

[atlantacowboy]

This is the worst defense the Pats have put on the field in over a decade. They are far from top 10. The Jags were the better team, but they didn't have Brady. Good luck reproducing what the Pats do every year without Brady.

 

[Quickdraw]

Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien dont agree with OP.

Neither does Eli Manning.

 

[nightrain]

That's why elite QBs are most cherished commodity in the NFL. Guys like Brady and Brees are almost impossible to shut down.

 

[khiladi]

Pats win their first few SBs on basically great DB play.. that’s why they beat Manning those years.

And Mark Rypien was MVP the year he won and the reason being, his OL was probably the greatest ever and that line only gave up 7 sacks the whole year. QB play that year for the Redskind was not Dilfer management type of play.

 

[khiladi]

The difference between Romo and Dak is Romo had a Garrett who was complete control of the offensive play-calling and game planning. Dak at least has a more competent one in Linehan.

Romo was basically MVP throwing for 34 TDS and 9 INTs the one year he worked with Linehan.

The coaching analogy with Romo and Dak is faulty.

These comparisons just got to stop. Dak was surrounded with an all Pro OL and Zeke and an established running attack laid down by Callahan from the get go.

 

[khiladi]

An offense being turnover prone also impacts defenses points per drive numbers..

Garrett play-caller and OC was a TO machine offense..

 

[Jake]

"What happened to that vaunted Jaguars D?"

Shredded in Pittsburgh AND New England

"What about the Vikings?"

Shredded by Nick Foles in a championship game (let that sink in for a while).

"Okay, well, Philly's D can take down Brady and the Patriots."

You know that will be the rhetoric over the next 2 weeks. If you believe that, let me have some of that kool aid you're drinking.

Enough of this "build through the defense" crap. Give me a franchise QB with a stout OL, good HC, and serviceable defense and you can keep your "top notch" D with a pedestrian QB. This is the way it is in the modern day NFL. Especially since so many defensive maneuvers that were acceptable 30-40 years ago would get flagged today.

Edit: New England's D is better than average for sure, probably top 10 in the league, but they can be had too. But when you have Brady and Bill...

New England's defensive ranking in Brady's five SB wins: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 6th, and 8th.

Denver's defense in their win 2 seasons ago: 1st.

Seattle's defense when they destroyed Denver's #1 offense in the SB: 1st.

Keep telling yourself defense doesn't matter.

 

[btcutter]

"What happened to that vaunted Jaguars D?"

Shredded in Pittsburgh AND New England

"What about the Vikings?"

Shredded by Nick Foles in a championship game (let that sink in for a while).

"Okay, well, Philly's D can take down Brady and the Patriots."

You know that will be the rhetoric over the next 2 weeks. If you believe that, let me have some of that kool aid you're drinking.

Enough of this "build through the defense" crap. Give me a franchise QB with a stout OL, good HC, and serviceable defense and you can keep your "top notch" D with a pedestrian QB. This is the way it is in the modern day NFL. Especially since so many defensive maneuvers that were acceptable 30-40 years ago would get flagged today.

Edit: New England's D is better than average for sure, probably top 10 in the league, but they can be had too. But when you have Brady and Bill...

Pretty short sighted.

Football is the ultimate team sport. Need O, D and special teams and coaching. When you lack severely in certain areas then a good opposing coach will try to exploit it.

Pats didn't win just because of Brady. The D figured out how to stop Jax in the 2nd half and got the ball back to Brady and the D made a stand to win the game.

Phili D dominated Viks. Simple as that. Phili D had a great D. Another time Viking D could have dominated Phili. But Defense travels regardless of weather.

 

[kskboys]

Pats win their first few SBs on basically great DB play.. that’s why they beat Manning those years.

And Mark Rypien was MVP the year he won and the reason being, his OL was probably the greatest ever and that line only gave up 7 sacks the whole year. QB play that year for the Redskind was not Dilfer management type of play.

Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vrabel, Bruschi, Colvin, and Teddy Washington disagree w/ the DB thingie.

Seriously, those Pats D's were stacked top to bottom. I'd have to disagree they won it on DB play, but they did win their first 3 on D play. I think McGinest was there for at least 2 of them also.

 

[NextGenBoys]

They aren't mutually exclusive. You need both.

Very simple

 

[bigdnlaca]

Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vrabel, Bruschi, Colvin, and Teddy Washington disagree w/ the DB thingie.

Seriously, those Pats D's were stacked top to bottom. I'd have to disagree they won it on DB play, but they did win their first 3 on D play. I think McGinest was there for at least 2 of them also.

Yes those defenses were great but their 3rd SB was a complete team win. On offense, that was their first year where they didn't struggle scoring with the addition to Dillon and we started seeing Tom Brady being the player that we know.

 

[Silver N Blue]

This is the first time all four teams in the championship game has a defense in the top five. At least that is what I thought they said in the AFC game yesterday....

 

[Oh_Canada]

Defense all day long thanks.

The offense needs a play caller and head coach who understands the modern game and how to use all of there personnel.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Yes those defenses were great but their 3rd SB was a complete team win. On offense, that was their first year where they didn't struggle scoring with the addition to Dillon and we started seeing Tom Brady being the player that we know.

Pats best year and historically so was 2007, they lost to the best defense in football and an average qb.