News: The reasoning behind bringing Dez Bryant back in 2018

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think he was saying we will restructure everyone just for the sake of restructuring. We have done that in the past but there is a ton of room available this year and fewer holes to fill. This year we could resign all our inhouse guys, plus a WR, plus a guy like Earl Thomas, plus an upgrade at OG from Cooper.

Its unlikely, but they could do it if the right guys were available and did sign.

For the past two offseasons he has advocated creating as much cap space as possible through restructuring. @stasheroo and he used to argue every year with him saying there was no bad restructure and stash saying it ties you to players you would prefer to move on from.

All three of those guys you mention are going to be in the neighborhood of $10m AAV each in VFA. You already need to account for $17m of DLaw, $5m for rookies, and $5m for wiggle room that Stephen goes into the season with every year. We need to restructure to get there.

Really if you want to sign those three guys you need to cut Dez.

 

[Kaiser]

All three of those guys you mention are going to be in the neighborhood of $10m AAV each in VFA. You already need to account for $17m of DLaw, $5m for rookies, and $5m for wiggle room that Stephen goes into the season with every year. We need to restructure to get there.

Really if you want to sign those three guys you need to cut Dez.

No, we don't. There are only six OG's in the NFL who have an AAV of 10MM or more. We already have 24MM in cap room and that's before the obvious moves like resigning Martin and cutting Mayowa. You can restructure Fred and Dez and get to the scenario I mentioned with a few minor moves mixed in.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, we don't. There are only six OG's in the NFL who have an AAV of 10MM or more. We already have 24MM in cap room and that's before the obvious moves like resigning Martin and cutting Mayowa. You can restructure Fred and Dez and get to the scenario I mentioned with a few minor moves mixed in.

We have not franchised DLaw. That is $17m right there and you are still not accounting for that. So $7m in cap space. Between the draft and wiggle room you are looking at $10m more. Extending Martin and we are about even. Then you restructure and you can sign people with that.

And sure there are only so many guards who make that much but the cap is expanding and you are going to need to get one of the top guards in VFA to improve on Cooper who was quite good and on the come last season. Zeitler signed for $13m last offseason and he is hardly an all pro. A top WR and FS will cost you too.

If you want to sign 3 top FA you need to cut Dez. It is what it is.

 

[jay94]

I didn’t know we were a dominat passing team...

I thought we invested in Oline and an elite running game

I loved seeing the pats, eagles, Vikings, jaguars

Those teams have an ELITE wr... oh wait

Each one of those teams you mentioned, wr cores are light years ahead of ours.

 

[Kaiser]

If you want to sign 3 top FA you need to cut Dez. It is what it is.

False. And I never said we should sign the highest paid FAs at those positions.

We are at 24 Million now with 3 more on the way, then you cut Mayowa for 3MM more.

+30 MM
+5 new contract for Martin
- 17 for DLaw
- 4 rookie pool
- 5 Reserve fund
- 4 Hitchens

- 6 Upgrade OG from Cooper

+ 21 Restructure Frederick, Tyron and Dez

- 10MM WR
- 10MM Earl Thomas


And that doesn't touch guys like Hanna, Gregory, Witten, etc.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

False. And I never said we should sign the highest paid FAs at those positions.

We are at 24 Million now with 3 more on the way, then you cut Mayowa for 3MM more.

+30 MM
+5 new contract for Martin
- 17 for DLaw
- 4 rookie pool
- 5 Reserve fund
- 4 Hitchens

- 6 Upgrade OG from Cooper

+ 21 Restructure Frederick, Tyron and Dez

- 10MM WR
- 10MM Earl Thomas


And that doesn't touch guys like Hanna, Gregory, Witten, etc.

https://overthecap.com/calculator/dallas-cowboys/

We are at $18.5m under and that accounts for Paea retiring etc.

We have 3 extra draft picks overall this year. The min salary is $550k. Our allotment will be $5m at least.

Martin is $9+m in salary currently and is going to sign for at least $13m with at least $6m a year in guarantees. He's going to make more than Zeitler. You aren't getting $5m a year out of that. More like half that.

Tyron has been hurt the past two season and it's a back issue. Restructuring him is not a smart move.

Dez is at a crossroads in his Dallas career. He doesn't fit with Dak and makes no sense to restructure. We didn't restructure him last year already.

Witten is year to year at his age. Makes no sense to restructure.

Hanna is by far our best blocking TE. All you do cutting him is create a hole.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/

There is the FA OG list. $6m gets you Pugh who is not an upgrade. An upgrade is a probowler. Might as well keep Cooper for that amount. If you want Kline or Joekel then it is going to cost you $10m AAV or thereabouts if not more.

It's also highly unlikely that Seattle is going to do us a favor and cut Thomas for us.

 

[Kaiser]

Witten is year to year at his age. Makes no sense to restructure.

Hanna is by far our best blocking TE. All you do cutting him is create a hole.

Translation, you didn't actually read my post before writing all this.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Translation, you didn't actually read my post before writing all this.

You going to acknowledge your starting point was wrong, Thomas is not going to be available, and that restructuring Dez and Tyron doesn't make sense or you going to just wave your hands at something that doesn't make a difference?

Fact is if you cut Mayowa, franchise DLaw, extend Martin thru the next 5 years for $65m and guarantee half, sign Hitchens for 4/$17m, and restructure Tfred, TWill, and LC then you have $13m in room. $10m for wiggle and the draft and youre not getting your 3 expensive VFA.

You either need to sign DLaw long term, cut Dez, or risk $20m or more in accelerations from risky players like Tyron and Lee if you want to be players in FA.

 

[Kaiser]

You going to acknowledge your starting point was wrong, Thomas is not going to be available, and that restructuring Dez and Tyron doesn't make sense or you going to just wave your hands at something that doesn't make a difference?.

This is complete nonsense. What I said was this -

We could resign all our inhouse guys, plus a WR, plus a guy like Earl Thomas, plus an upgrade at OG from Cooper.

You said we HAD to cut Dez to do that and I laid out the exact numbers of how it could be done. You are strawmanning against your own projections, not what I said and definitely not against reality.

I listed 26MM for an OG, a WR and Earl Thomas (who I never said would be available, this whole thread is a hypothetical).

Cooper cost 2MM this year but an upgrade for three times that is impossible?

A WR can't be signed for 10MM? The last time we moneywhipped a FA it was Brandon Carr and his first year cap hit was only 3 Million.

We can definitely get 5MM in savings from Martin's new deal because in Tyron's new contract his cap hit was 5 Million in the first year. LT's get more than LG's not less.

Earl Thomas made 10MM each of the last two years, the same amount would be the ceiling of his cap hit if he were cut and he signed in Dallas. It wouldn't be the floor.

We can easily bring in multiple FAs without cutting Dez, which you are claiming is a certainty.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is complete nonsense. What I said was this -

We could resign all our inhouse guys, plus a WR, plus a guy like Earl Thomas, plus an upgrade at OG from Cooper.

You said we HAD to cut Dez to do that and I laid out the exact numbers of how it could be done. You are strawmanning against your own projections, not what I said and definitely not against reality.

I listed 26MM for an OG, a WR and Earl Thomas (who I never said would be available, this whole thread is a hypothetical).

Cooper cost 2MM this year but an upgrade for three times that is impossible?

A WR can't be signed for 10MM? The last time we moneywhipped a FA it was Brandon Carr and his first year cap hit was only 3 Million.

We can definitely get 5MM in savings from Martin's new deal because in Tyron's new contract his cap hit was 5 Million in the first year. LT's get more than LG's not less.

Earl Thomas made 10MM each of the last two years, the same amount would be the ceiling of his cap hit if he were cut and he signed in Dallas. It wouldn't be the floor.

We can easily bring in multiple FAs without cutting Dez, which you are claiming is a certainty.

Complete nonsense?

You've completely ignored the discussion about Tyron and Lee. So we're not restructuring them. That idea of yours ws nonsense.
You had the initial cap room wrong. You've ignored that as well. That was nonsense.
You blithely are assuming your OP was correct and are repeating yourself in the face of that. That was nonsense.

Tyron signed 4 years ago for below market value. He only got $23m in guarantees. If Martin were to take such a team friendly deal then it would have already been done; remember they have already been negotiating for a year. Zeitler's deal is the comparison not Tyron's. It is not 2014 and expecting Martin to take a lot less guaranteed money than market value is nonsense.

Cooper signed for extremely cheaply; he played well this past season and will surely get a raise. If you are talking about signing a Pugh for $6m AAV then again I'd rather give Cooper that money. If you want a talent upgrade then you are paying $10m AAV as that is what the market value actually is.

I never said that a WR would cost more than that. I think you might net Landry or Watkins for that sum. That is besides the point. I just gave you a breakdown of what cutting Mayowa, making sensible restructures --TFred, TWill, and LC-- and retaining Martin, DLaw, and Hitch would actually cost. That leaves us with $13m in cap room heading onto the draft. And you think we can get a pro bowl FS too for that.

If you want to restructure Tyron and Lee then spend up to the cap then we will just have to agree to disagree. It makes a lot more sense to replace Dez with a Landry or Watkins than to keep both. The offense is already obnoxiously skewed on payroll as it is.

 

[Kaiser]

Complete nonsense?

You've completely ignored the discussion about Tyron and Lee. So we're not restructuring them. That idea of yours ws nonsense.
You had the initial cap room wrong. You've ignored that as well. That was nonsense.
You blithely are assuming your OP was correct and are repeating yourself in the face of that. That was nonsense.

Yes, your posts here are nonsense.

To your post above, I never mentioned Sean Lee. Thats one of your many strawmen in this thread. You also claimed I was include Witten and Hanna, which was completely made up.

Your cap room is wrong, check BKight's posts and Spotrac, which has us at 20.5 before adjustments.

We can add premium players without cutting Dez. That is what this thread is about and its why you are wrong.

 

[DandyDon52]

The eagles could trade dez and get a # 1 pick, then get a FA that would produce at key times.
Jones boys would get a 6th and
Some jag lol go cowboys!

 

[Verdict]

bull.

Truth.

 

[Verdict]

No, we don't. There are only six OG's in the NFL who have an AAV of 10MM or more. We already have 24MM in cap room and that's before the obvious moves like resigning Martin and cutting Mayowa. You can restructure Fred and Dez and get to the scenario I mentioned with a few minor moves mixed in.

I sincerely hope they don't restructure Dez.

 

[Kaiser]

I sincerely hope they don't restructure Dez.

You can restructure Dez to move his cap hit into off years with no downside. The obvious move would be to add three years to his contract that void at the team's option, then convert his 12.5MM salary into a bonus. The bonus spreads out over the five year period so his cap hit this year drops from 16.5 Million to 7.5MM.

I doubt they do it because they are unlikely to go whole hog on free agents, plus guys like Frederick would be restructyured first. But they want to do it, they can do it easily.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Lets start with one thing: Dez is not being released and will be returning next season; pay cut or not put aside. Schematically, releasing Bryant does nothing for the Cowboys. The Cowboys do not currently possess a number one receiving option, regardless of whether or not you believe Dez is a number one receiving option...

We were undefeated in 3 games without Dez in 2016, starting Butler in his place. A guy we kept in the following offseason for 1mil.

The "schematically" comment is just wrong. Dez and Dak are a bad fit. Dez needs a guy to throw him open, and Dak just isn't that guy. At least not yet. Dak does better with guys that get separation. And Dez isn't that guy either. Bad fit. "Schematically", releasing Dez does do something for us.

Also, it would free us up to get more speed, which "schematically" open up the underneath routes for other guys.

We've got too many possession guys, not enough speed, Dez doesn't deliver what Dak needs, and Dak doesn't deliver what Dez needs.

Dez would simply be better fit and more valuable on a lot of teams. If we had him on and under market contract, we should still be looking to trade him, to cash in the value of a better fit elsewhere.

 

[CCBoy]

We were undefeated in 3 games without Dez in 2016, starting Butler in his place. A guy we kept in the following offseason for 1mil.

The "schematically" comment is just wrong. Dez and Dak are a bad fit. Dez needs a guy to throw him open, and Dak just isn't that guy. At least not yet. Dak does better with guys that get separation. And Dez isn't that guy either. Bad fit. "Schematically", releasing Dez does do something for us.

Also, it would free us up to get more speed, which "schematically" open up the underneath routes for other guys.

We've got too many possession guys, not enough speed, Dez doesn't deliver what Dak needs, and Dak doesn't deliver what Dez needs.

Dez would simply be better fit and more valuable on a lot of teams. If we had him on and under market contract, we should still be looking to trade him, to cash in the value of a better fit elsewhere.

Missing a point...what that shows is that this pair needs to be on the same sheet of music. That comes with a ton of familiarization and time practicing together...off season work.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, your posts here are nonsense.

To your post above, I never mentioned Sean Lee. Thats one of your many strawmen in this thread. You also claimed I was include Witten and Hanna, which was completely made up.

Your cap room is wrong, check BKight's posts and Spotrac, which has us at 20.5 before adjustments.

We can add premium players without cutting Dez. That is what this thread is about and its why you are wrong.

BKight is wrong; for example Paea is not counting against our cap on either site. I can put capologist under my name too. Spotrac has us at $19m. OTC has $18m. You said $23m. You aren't anywhere close.

And you like fixating on the things you think you got right and ignoring the rest of the argument and the big picture.

Let's reiterate.

Dez and Tyron are not good restructure candidates.
Your Martin projection is pie in the sky unrealistic.
The rookie cap will be $5m or more because of extra draft picks.
You will not get a talent upgrade from Cooper for $6m AAV.
The scenario I laid out with sensible cuts and restructures considering the above that you ignore leaves us with nowhere near enough cap to sign $26m AAV worth of VFA unless you cut Dez.

I have rubbed your face in these big picture realities for 3 posts in a row and you fixate on Witten and Lee as if that makes your scenario one whit more realistic.

Protip: if you are going to fixate on a strawman you need to demonstrate how said strawman invalidates my whole argument.

Else you look like you are petty trying to seem to win a point of fact because you are more interested in a machismo pissing contest then finding the truth.

 

[G2]

Cut him, save 12 mill, draft a WR or two and sign one of the following:
Martavis Bryant
Davante Adams
Terrelle Pryor
Sammy Watkins
Jarvis Landry

I'm not saying any of these guys are elite, but neither is Dez and we need a change. If it weren't for Dez's stats, I would never have re-signed him. I'd rather have a player who puts more into every play, not just the ones to him.

 

[Kaiser]

And you like fixating on the things you think you got right and ignoring the rest of the argument and the big picture.

No, I've fixated on knocking down a bunch of nonsensical strawmen you came up with to justify a false premise. We can add those players without cutting Dez. The big picture is that I'm clearly correct and you are running down rabbitholes because that's what you do in these threads.