Romo to T.O. was a thing of beauty

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Too long if you ask me.

Here is the actual Yearbook Scouting Report on Tony Romo in Draft Insiders '03 Yearbook "This guy may be the gem of this deep QB class"


Positional Overview excerpt

The small college group of QBs may be the strongest in memory, but has received little fanfare yet has the upside potential to make this a bonanza for the 32 clubs hunting for young QB talent. With the current high demand for NFL caliber passers, one can expect several late picks at this position as clubs search for developmental passers that they can refine further on practice squads and in NFL Europe.


Tony Romo #17 - 6'2" 220 lbs. - Eastern Illinois - Sp. 4.9 Rating 78

Smooth strong small college passer completed an excellent senior season at the Division 1 AA level that earned him the Walter Payton Award, symbolic of the level's best player. Tony completed a record setting career that included three consecutive Ohio Valley Conference Player of the Year awards in addition to numerous first team All-American teams. He is a fine athlete with a live arm and the ability to make all the throws. He has shown excellent accuracy, touch and timing as a passer with the ability to hit receivers in stride on a consistent basis. He has operated mainly from the shotgun and has decent setup technique when starting from under center.



He has a very quick release with a smooth compact delivery that wastes little motion that allows him to get the ball off nicely when under pressure.



He has a good arm with the ability to throw the short and intermediate passes exceptionally well. He needs some work on the deep ball with improved arm strength and better foot positioning necessary to increase his completion %. He has a good feel for pressure in the pocket with the mobility to avoid tacklers and make a good throw on the move. He makes things happen outside the pocket with the ability to hit receivers on the money. Over his career, he made nice strides in all areas of play, especially decision making. He goes through his progressions well with the quick decision making to deliver the ball to the right receiver at the right time. He has the complete makeup of an NFL starting QB - athletic, sound arm with the ability to make quick smart decisions consistently.

The Numbers: Over his career, he threw for 8212 yards passing with 85 TD passes on 584 completions of 941 attempts. He had a huge senior year, which earned him the Walter Payton award. He threw for 3165 yards on 258 completions of 407 passes for 34 TDs, which earned him high season honors. As a junior, he threw for 2068 yards on 67% completion rate for 21 TDs and 6 picks. He helped his cause with a good week at the Paradise Bowl, displaying an accurate live arm and nice mobility in the pocket. His strong final season earned rave reviews from NFL scouts about his passing talents and intangibles as a leader.

The Skinny: This guy may be the gem of this deep QB class. He is an ideal fit for the West Coast offense that emphasizes accuracy, mobility and quick decision-making. He has the triangle numbers NFL scouts seek in a pro prospect and he has the makeup to become a starter with further development and continued improvement. He has the talent to surprise over time and may be the best small college passer since Kurt Warner.



He needs further coaching and playing experience especially working under center and making adjustments while setting up in the pocket. At the combine, he ran a 5.0 forty, had a 30" vertical jump and an 8'9" broad jump.



He is a talented prospect with the tools to start, but most likely a 2nd day selection in this deep QB class. He is a quality 3rd string NFL passer with excellent upside potential. This guy should emerge as an NFL starter in time with proper coaching and some patience. Excellent middle round prospect with the ability to shine in a West Coast offense.

Draft Projection: 5th-6th Round

NO WAY THE SCOUTS NAILED THIS ONE!!
And this amazing player with the ability to set records and be a day 1 starter went undrafted. Look I'm not saying he didn't have skills and even in his report said he needs coaching. Not really sure how else to put, that not just Romo but any QB sitting for a few years have an advantage once they start compared to a rookie coming in starting. A veteran sitting on the bench learns how to better read defenses and know where the blitz is coming from.

My point is people want to talk about Romo avoiding the rush and Dak can't is silly. Allow Dak the same time Romo had and then we will revisit this conversation.
 

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And this amazing player with the ability to set records and be a day 1 starter went undrafted. Look I'm not saying he didn't have skills and even in his report said he needs coaching. Not really sure how else to put, that not just Romo but any QB sitting for a few years have an advantage once they start compared to a rookie coming in starting. A veteran sitting on the bench learns how to better read defenses and know where the blitz is coming from.

My point is people want to talk about Romo avoiding the rush and Dak can't is silly. Allow Dak the same time Romo had and then we will revisit this conversation.

I think most are talking about Dak's ability right now to move around within the pocket. No question he can scramble outside of it but he doesn't (as of yet) have the same awareness within the pocket that Romo had
 

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And this amazing player with the ability to set records and be a day 1 starter went undrafted. Look I'm not saying he didn't have skills and even in his report said he needs coaching. Not really sure how else to put, that not just Romo but any QB sitting for a few years have an advantage once they start compared to a rookie coming in starting. A veteran sitting on the bench learns how to better read defenses and know where the blitz is coming from.

My point is people want to talk about Romo avoiding the rush and Dak can't is silly. Allow Dak the same time Romo had and then we will revisit this conversation.
Your point is stupid. Dak started 3 years in the SEC, which has more NFL talent than any other conference, and then immediately started in the NFL for two seasons. Romo played college football at a community college, and then literally didn’t play at all for three years while having to overcome the “mentoring” of Henson, Carter and Interceptaverde. Dak has far more real game experience at the end of his second season starting than Romo did, but is still vastly inferior. Stop with the false equivalences and excuse making, especially in a thread that has nothing to do with Dak. Dak slobberers never stop with the excuses.
 

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I think most are talking about Dak's ability right now to move around within the pocket. No question he can scramble outside of it but he doesn't (as of yet) have the same awareness within the pocket that Romo had
And my point is because Romo was a veteran. Dak didn't get the luxury of sitting on the bench and learning these things behind a vet QB
 

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Your point is stupid. Dak started 3 years in the SEC, which has more NFL talent than any other conference, and then immediately started in the NFL for two seasons. Romo played college football at a community college, and then literally didn’t play at all for three years while having to overcome the “mentoring” of Henson, Carter and Interceptaverde. Dak has far more real game experience at the end of his second season starting than Romo did, but is still vastly inferior. Stop with the false equivalences and excuse making, especially in a thread that has nothing to do with Dak. Dak slobberers never stop with the excuses.


Romo had David Lee and Sean Payton coaching him.

Dak had wade Wilson and now Kellen Moore.

The point remains that Dak is still young and despite your opinion, has played very well for long stretches of games (and very poorly at times too).

Again, he is a second year QB. That’s generally what happens with second year QB’s.
 

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And my point is because Romo was a veteran. Dak didn't get the luxury of sitting on the bench and learning these things behind a vet QB

He had that veteran on the bench in his ear his entire 1st season teaching him. Your point would be more valid to me if Dak hadn't had such a good 1st season and taken a step back in his second season. Your a rookie one year not two. Dak got more experience his 1st year playing than Romo had in his 2 and a half years sitting on the bench before he took over midway thru the 2006 season. You really think Romo learned a ton carrying a clipboard his 1st season as the 3rd string QB? I grant you he was in the NFL but he was getting no playing time except a little in the preseason, he was no where near the seasoned vet you are trying to make him out to be when he took over for Bleadsoe and Dak going into his second year was much more of a pro than Romo was when Romo took over the job. That is just a fact. Also Dak as mentioned by somebody else had 3 years starting in the SEC while Romo played division 2 ball
 

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Romo had David Lee and Sean Payton coaching him.

Dak had wade Wilson and now Kellen Moore.

The point remains that Dak is still young and despite your opinion, has played very well for long stretches of games (and very poorly at times too).

Again, he is a second year QB. That’s generally what happens with second year QB’s.

so why the regression? He had the same coaching back in 2016? And it certainly cannot be excused because of occasional bad O line play and Zeke's suspension. Dak actually regressed not only mechanically but mentally. If he is not personally strong enough to progress then nothing else matters does he? And remember that Romo only had Peyton right at the beginning of his career. Not from the year he started. From 2006 on Tony was pretty much on his own except for BP and from 2007 on really on his own. I hope Moore is the savant that Jerry and company claim he is (doubtful but one can hope) because Dak needs all the help he can get.
 

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He had that veteran on the bench in his ear his entire 1st season teaching him. Your point would be more valid to me if Dak hadn't had such a good 1st season and taken a step back in his second season. Your a rookie one year not two. Dak got more experience his 1st year playing than Romo had in his 2 and a half years sitting on the bench before he took over midway thru the 2006 season. You really think Romo learned a ton carrying a clipboard his 1st season as the 3rd string QB? I grant you he was in the NFL but he was getting no playing time except a little in the preseason, he was no where near the seasoned vet you are trying to make him out to be when he took over for Bleadsoe and Dak going into his second year was much more of a pro than Romo was when Romo took over the job. That is just a fact. Also Dak as mentioned by somebody else had 3 years starting in the SEC while Romo played division 2 ball
Dak was clearly much more ready to play coming out of college then Tony was. Tony took two full years to get to the point where he was even thought to be ready to play. And of course Dak having to deal with playing in the SEC vs Tony in the minor leagues is a huge difference as well. Once again the Dak homers must explain why Dak regressed in ways that cannot be blamed on Zeke or the O line
 

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Romo had David Lee and Sean Payton coaching him.

Dak had wade Wilson and now Kellen Moore.

The point remains that Dak is still young and despite your opinion, has played very well for long stretches of games (and very poorly at times too).

Again, he is a second year QB. That’s generally what happens with second year QB’s.
Every player has a different path so that is why it is best to just compare them to what they actually did. Dak slobberers act like Romo was a 10 year veteran before he ever took a snap. He literally didn’t play in a real game for 3 and a half years! That’s not an advantage, that’s a gigantic obstacle. He wasn’t even the backup all of that time. He spent a good part of it inactive. The actual backup QB gets barely any snaps during practice... do you know what the third QB gets? Nothing. Why Dak slobberers think that never playing in a game at all and being mentored by washed up QBs is better than actually playing is a mystery, but shows how demented they are.
And we won’t know how good Dak’s coaching is for a long time. Maybe Moore ends up being a star, maybe he won’t. Romo wasn’t coached long by Payton and frankly the coaches with the biggest stamp on Tony are the same Wilson and Garrett.
 

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Every player has a different path so that is why it is best to just compare them to what they actually did. Dak slobberers act like Romo was a 10 year veteran before he ever took a snap. He literally didn’t play in a real game for 3 and a half years! That’s not an advantage, that’s a gigantic obstacle. He wasn’t even the backup all of that time. He spent a good part of it inactive. The actual backup QB gets barely any snaps during practice... do you know what the third QB gets? Nothing. Why Dak slobberers think that never playing in a game at all and being mentored by washed up QBs is better than actually playing is a mystery, but shows how demented they are.
And we won’t know how good Dak’s coaching is for a long time. Maybe Moore ends up being a star, maybe he won’t. Romo wasn’t coached long by Payton and frankly the coaches with the biggest stamp on Tony are the same Wilson and Garrett.
I have come to the conclusion that Tony made nice and nodded and said yes sir and then pretty much ignored those two.
 

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so why the regression? He had the same coaching back in 2016? And it certainly cannot be excused because of occasional bad O line play and Zeke's suspension. Dak actually regressed not only mechanically but mentally. If he is not personally strong enough to progress then nothing else matters does he? And remember that Romo only had Peyton right at the beginning of his career. Not from the year he started. From 2006 on Tony was pretty much on his own except for BP and from 2007 on really on his own. I hope Moore is the savant that Jerry and company claim he is (doubtful but one can hope) because Dak needs all the help he can get.


Lots of reasons for the regression. It’s not that uncommon for second year players to have a slump. That’s why there is even a term for it.

All I’m saying is. It doesn’t make sense to throw the towel in on him yet. IMO.
 

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He had that veteran on the bench in his ear his entire 1st season teaching him. Your point would be more valid to me if Dak hadn't had such a good 1st season and taken a step back in his second season. Your a rookie one year not two. Dak got more experience his 1st year playing than Romo had in his 2 and a half years sitting on the bench before he took over midway thru the 2006 season. You really think Romo learned a ton carrying a clipboard his 1st season as the 3rd string QB? I grant you he was in the NFL but he was getting no playing time except a little in the preseason, he was no where near the seasoned vet you are trying to make him out to be when he took over for Bleadsoe and Dak going into his second year was much more of a pro than Romo was when Romo took over the job. That is just a fact. Also Dak as mentioned by somebody else had 3 years starting in the SEC while Romo played division 2 ball
While you need skills to play QB a ton is mental. My point is the mental aspect. Dak wasn't great as a rookie stepping up in the pocket or feeling the rush coming. He had a few fumbles even his rookie year. Yes I agree Dak had more playing time then Romo did but Romo sitting on the bench did wonders for him.
 

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Every player has a different path so that is why it is best to just compare them to what they actually did. Dak slobberers act like Romo was a 10 year veteran before he ever took a snap. He literally didn’t play in a real game for 3 and a half years! That’s not an advantage, that’s a gigantic obstacle. He wasn’t even the backup all of that time. He spent a good part of it inactive. The actual backup QB gets barely any snaps during practice... do you know what the third QB gets? Nothing. Why Dak slobberers think that never playing in a game at all and being mentored by washed up QBs is better than actually playing is a mystery, but shows how demented they are.
And we won’t know how good Dak’s coaching is for a long time. Maybe Moore ends up being a star, maybe he won’t. Romo wasn’t coached long by Payton and frankly the coaches with the biggest stamp on Tony are the same Wilson and Garrett.


I honestly don’t know why all you people have to even have the Romo/Dak argument to begin with.

It’s stupid IMO.

Romo was an all time great for the franchise. But it didn’t happen overnight. We still don’t know what Dak is.

It’s more than possible to have respected and appreciate Romo for the player he was, while also believing that Dak can be the guy going into the future. Dak isn’t the reason Romo isn’t playing anymore. His age and health are the reason. It happens to all players. Father Time is undefeated.
 

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Nothing to do with being a veteran, Romo had that from the get go. You either have pocket awareness, escapability, quick release and accuracy or you don't. Romo was a HOF QB surrounded by crap most of his career whether one yr it was OL or defense or both.
He didn't have that from the get go. Guy was lucky he was still on the team when he became the starter.
 

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How the Cowboys didn't seem to take building a defense very seriously for Romo is beyond me.

Romo had to feel like a one legged man in a butt kicking contest out there.

Honestly, I don't think they knew how. They tried, and are still trying, to fit square pegs into round holes thinking it's the DC and the scheme that make the difference. Sure they've added key personnel over the years but almost always, they (the personnel) were 1st or 2nd round draft picks.

Even now, Dallas is allowing the DC to pick his guys to fit his scheme, who knows how many potentially great defensive players they have passed up for a player that "fit the scheme."

I believe that philosophy is changing but, as you said, too little and too late for a great QB like Tony.
 

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He didn't have that from the get go. Guy was lucky he was still on the team when he became the starter.
He actually did have that from the get go, not that a phony fan from PA would know that. What he was, was indiscriminate. He didn’t always make good decisions and was not even close to the fundamentally sound player he became. But the instincts and physical things were there from the jump. Sorry about that, Danny.
 
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