The Herd - Rating Dak

[Diehardblues]

I think 32 NFL GMs would pick Garoppolo over Dak. Well...maybe 31

Jimmy G potential is certainly greater to become a more prolific NFL proto type QB than Dak. I’d say that’s a fair assumption at this point.

 

[Stash]

Anybody who doesn’t think Dak is at least tier 3 would just be ludicrous.

My personal opinion is that he already is a tier 2 quarterback. But obviously that will either be proven or disproven this upcoming season.

I've seen Cowherd give the numbers that show that Dak has been better than most of those listed "Tier 2" quarterbacks as well.

 

[Stash]

According to one film review of every pass thrown in the NFL last season Dak led the league in "unearned" interceptions with eight. (Those are interceptions off receivers hands, on Hail Mary throws, on batted balls, when the quarterback's arm was hit as he threw, etc.). Matt Ryan was second with six, and two others had five. The average is two.

Perspective.

Thanks, as always.

 

[Diehardblues]

I have to chime in here...are you talking about Jimmy Garoppolo from the SF 49ers? More seasoned? The guy has played in 23 games in 4 seasons. He had a nice run towards the end of last season. That's nice but how does that make him "more seasoned and better" than a guy that has started in every game for his first 2 years, played in the playoffs, and won Rookie of the year?

You Dak haters do realize the guy was hurt in the second half of last season? That he got sacked 24 times in the second half of last season? That he had issues with his throwing hand? Do you guys get that? Garoppolo may end up being good but let's see what happens when DCs have some tape on the guy and figure out how to defend him. Garoppolo is NOT better than Dak Prescott. You guys are crazy.

It’s definitely too early in either of their careers to begin making those type of absolute assertions but I think it’s fair to say Jimmy G has more upside with his NFL passing ability . Now whether that translates to success is yet to be seen.

What we do know is Jimmy G uplifted a 1-10 team to winning its final 5 games. And Dak struggled without all of our talent in place on a 5-3 team.

A better comparison is do you think Dak would have fared as well on that 1-10 team and would Jimmy G had more success without Zeke or Tyron?

 

[Stash]

He hates Dallas.

I'm no type sure about that. I see a lot of praise for the Cowboys coming from him.

 

[Stash]

That’s funny because we’ve always been told that the numbers don’t always tell the full story.

Only when those numbers disagree or refute a person's opinion.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm no type sure about that. I see a lot of praise for the Cowboys coming from him.

Generally it’s to provoke the Cowboy haters which spurs viewers and hits on his show.

 

[Whyjerry]

It’s definitely too early in either of their careers to begin making those type of absolute assertions but I think it’s fair to say Jimmy G has more upside with his NFL passing ability . Now whether that translates to success is yet to be seen.

What we do know is Jimmy G uplifted a 1-10 team to winning its final 5 games. And Dak struggled without all of our talent in place.

A better comparison is do you think Dak would have fared as well on that 1-10 team and would Jimmy G had more success without Zeke or Tyron?

Based on what? The HC in SF has proven himself to be an offensive genius. Dak does not have anywhere near that level of game planning. That is the biggest difference. Why can’t you guys understand Dak was hurt in the second half of last season. When he was healthy he was playing MVP level football. Pointless to argue because time will tell. I am betting JG is not all-world as some other believe.

 

[Stash]

Dak first 24 games he was remarkable. The last eight he wasn't that good. The argument is soon to be decided.

It's funny that people that want to paint a poor picture want to only point at those last 8 games. Or mention games where he "struggled" before. Really? A first and second year quarterback struggled? Wow. Never heard of that before.

And yet, despite these reported struggles, Prescott's numbers thus far blow away the accepted best in the game. But people want to ignore that fact too.

 

[Whyjerry]

I think 32 NFL GMs would pick Garoppolo over Dak. Well...maybe 31

Based on what? You have zero basis to make that claim. I could turn it around and say the same of Dak. Baseless. Time will tell. My point is Dak has been great in Dallas and does not deserve the hate he gets.

 

[Diehardblues]

Based on what? The HC in SF has proven himself to be an offensive genius. Dak does not have anywhere near that level of game planning. That is the biggest difference. Why can’t you guys understand Dak was hurt in the second half of last season. When he was healthy he was playing MVP level football. Pointless to argue because time will tell. I am betting JG is not all-world as some other believe.

So, given these circumstances Dak is up against you’d say he wouldnt have had as much success as Jimmy G?

 

[Stash]

Generally it’s to provoke the Cowboy haters which spurs viewers and hits on his show.

I can see that. Cowboys mentions are good for business. Some guys have made a career out of it.

But like this video, I've seen several others praising night only Dak, but the Cowboys as well.

He even had flattering numbers for Garrett when he had his starting quarterback. To simply label him a Cowboys hater is unfair I think.

 

[Hadenough]

you should be able to win with a top 15 QB daks in the toip 15 and thats the upper half of the NFL and he can be better.. stop the FN excuses for the rest of the team, in years past the defense has sucked hard especially in crunch time right before he half and late in the 4th qtr, also players dodint step up like Dak and the WR core(yes it was both partys issues but till its fact a ton of dropped passes or bad routes), questionable coaching espeiclaly in game adjumstments and the ability to out chess match the competition when it counts, and the GM not seeing that we lack depth behind key players lIke LEE and Tsmith who are struggling with reoccurring injuriys.. this will cripple most teams without an Elite tier 1 QB.. what Have those tier 2 guys you say is better than Dak done with aweak team around them? Cousins he has numbers no wins to speak of , ASmith hasn't done much, and many others..

IT TAKES A TEAM TO WIN BIG GAMES IN THE PLAYOFFS AND CHAMPIONSHIPS, PERIOD.. Daks plenty good enough to win should the defense finally stop relying on ball control takeaway offense and we get depth that we lacked last year..te defense blew two games last year that could have been the two that got us in the playoffs, forget about that 4game horrible stretch with the ridiculous timing of injury and suspension at the worst part of our schedule.. the Rams and GB game we were scoring and leading most of the game, the Defense BLEW it, period.. those 2 games were key to weathering the storm the rest of the season and it wasn't Daks fault we lost those or didnt have an answer at LT for the other stretch..Sure Dak had his issues but he was a 2nd yr guy who had the team blow up in his face, he struggled but again we can win with him..Next level crap comes from the rest of the team doing their job including the coach..

the cowboys did make changes and we will see if those moves work this year but stop acting as its time to draft another QB , its not give Dak his 4 seasons and lets see what happens..

you should be able to win with a top 15 QB daks in the toip 15 and thats the upper half of the NFL and he can be better.. stop the FN excuses for the rest of the team, in years past the defense has sucked hard especially in crunch time right before he half and late in the 4th qtr, also players dodint step up like Dak and the WR core(yes it was both partys issues but till its fact a ton of dropped passes or bad routes), questionable coaching espeiclaly in game adjumstments and the ability to out chess match the competition when it counts, and the GM not seeing that we lack depth behind key players lIke LEE and Tsmith who are struggling with reoccurring injuriys.. this will cripple most teams without an Elite tier 1 QB.. what Have those tier 2 guys you say is better than Dak done with aweak team around them? Cousins he has numbers no wins to speak of , ASmith hasn't done much, and many others..

IT TAKES A TEAM TO WIN BIG GAMES IN THE PLAYOFFS AND CHAMPIONSHIPS, PERIOD.. Daks plenty good enough to win should the defense finally stop relying on ball control takeaway offense and we get depth that we lacked last year..te defense blew two games last year that could have been the two that got us in the playoffs, forget about that 4game horrible stretch with the ridiculous timing of injury and suspension at the worst part of our schedule.. the Rams and GB game we were scoring and leading most of the game, the Defense BLEW it, period.. those 2 games were key to weathering the storm the rest of the season and it wasn't Daks fault we lost those or didnt have an answer at LT for the other stretch..Sure Dak had his issues but he was a 2nd yr guy who had the team blow up in his face, he struggled but again we can win with him..Next level crap comes from the rest of the team doing their job including the coach..

the cowboys did make changes and we will see if those moves work this year but stop acting as its time to draft another QB , its not give Dak his 4 seasons and lets see what happens..

Your right it does take good teams to win in the playoffs. Dallas has a good team this year and there is no reason for them not to make the playoffs other than the QB in my opinion.

 

[Diehardblues]

Based on what? You have zero basis to make that claim. I could turn it around and say the same of Dak. Baseless. Time will tell. My point is Dak has been great in Dallas and does not deserve the hate he gets.

The criticism is always going to be there regardless if it’s validated or not without more team success. Shoot, we bashed the Cowboys all time leading passer for 10 years without better team results.

Do you think Dak would have won the starting role without the winning wave. It’s all about winning when your a QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Your right it does take good teams to win in the playoffs. Dallas has a good team this year and there is no reason for them not to make the playoffs other than the QB in my opinion.

The defense is a factor as well. If it cant make stops to close out games or pressure the more elite QB we could face in playoffs which has killed in recent playoff games.

No one is picking us to win division and anywhere between 6-10th ranked in NFC. Playoff hopes are fine. Expectations are quite another issue.

 

[Stash]

Use your damn eyes. He is nowhere near the accuracy level most of the qbs in that 2nd tier are. Watching balls constantly hit the ground how many times a game do we hear the announcer say "that pass was behind Beasley/witten/Williams etc" he's only good when zeke is gashing the defense and they are scared to death of the run game. It's a wonder these other qbs find ways to carve up defense without Zeke and the great wall of Dallas. Hmmm you're right facts are a funny thing

Did you know?

That since entering the league in 2016, Dak Prescott has a higher completion percentage than Aaron Rodgers?

Amazing, but true. Prescott has completed 65.35% of his throws compared to Rodgers' 65.2%.

And I think Rodgers was in the first tier of quarterbacks.

 

[Diehardblues]

I can see that. Cowboys mentions are good for business. Some guys have made a career out of it.

But like this video, I've seen several others praising night only Dak, but the Cowboys as well.

He even had flattering numbers for Garrett when he had his starting quarterback. To simply label him a Cowboys hater is unfair I think.

I’m not labeling him a Cowboy hater just saying he’s an opportunist for the sake of ratings for his show.

 

[Stash]

I’m not labeling him a Cowboy hater just saying he’s an opportunist for the sake of ratings for his show.

No doubt. They all are. Some far worse than others.

The thing that I can at least respect about Cowherd is that he gives plenty of numbers to back up what he's saying. The man does his homework.

 

[Diehardblues]

Did you know?

That since entering the league in 2016, Dak Prescott has a higher completion percentage than Aaron Rodgers?

Amazing, but true. Prescott has completed 65.35% of his throws compared to Rodgers' 65.2%.

And I think Rodgers was in the first tier of quarterbacks.

Dak has an awesome completion percentage which most of those are 5-10 yards. One game in a half we was 9-10 for 45 yards. Without looking it up believe had like 6 games under 200 yards. That would be ok if this was 1971.

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm no type sure about that. I see a lot of praise for the Cowboys coming from him.

I’ve heard him say some good things too, recently.

However, like I mentioned already, he says some things that are pretty bad about Dallas. I already posted it but I wrote earlier:

“I heard him on the radio the other day say that rooting for Dallas is like pulling for a bunch of rich, meth head kids... he just can’t do it.”

I don’t think someone who doesn’t dislike the franchise says something like that on air.

JMO, of course.