The Herd - Rating Dak

[Stash]

Dak has an awesome completion percentage which most of those are 5-10 yards. One game in a half we was 9-10 for 45 yards. Without looking it up believe had like 6 games under 200 yards. That would be ok if this was 1971.

But it's not false, right?

 

[Diehardblues]

No doubt. They all are. Some far worse than others.

The thing that I can at least respect about Cowherd is that he gives plenty of numbers to back up what he's saying. The man does his homework.

Supplying stats or nickpicking facts to support a narrative is common practice. Some would call it Fake News.

 

[Stash]

I’ve heard him say some good things too, recently.

However, like I mentioned already, he says some things that are pretty bad about Dallas. I already posted it but I wrote earlier:

“I heard him on the radio the other day say that rooting for Dallas is like pulling for a bunch of rich, meth head kids... he just can’t do it.”

I don’t think someone who doesn’t dislike the franchise says something like that on air.

JMO, of course.

I can see why that's off base, for sure. I don't listen to him regularly, but like I've said, I've seen several of his videos on YouTube where he's been quite complimentary.

As a matter of fact, I think he picked The Cowboys to win the NFC East this year.

 

[Stash]

Supplying stats or facts to support a narrative is common practice. Some would call it Fake News.

Only those looking to disprove the truth because it ruins their agenda.

Numbers are the truest barometer one has. They only "lie" when someone doesn't like what they have to say.

 

[Diehardblues]

Only those looking to disprove the truth because it ruins their agenda.

Numbers are the truest barometer one has. They only "lie" when someone doesn't like what they have to say.

Presenting facts are one thing. Spinning them to support a narrative is quite another.

 

[JustChip]

Did you know?

That since entering the league in 2016, Dak Prescott has a higher completion percentage than Aaron Rodgers?

Amazing, but true. Prescott has completed 65.35% of his throws compared to Rodgers' 65.2%.

And I think Rodgers was in the first tier of quarterbacks.

Ok, but what is their average per attempt and per completion? I don't know and am not making a case either way. The only thing I'm speaking to is that a single stat can be used to present whatever point the person wants to make.

Personally, I don't know yet whether Dak will be a Danny White/Tony Romo or Roger Staubach. What I do know is he's a 4th round, 2 year player that was not intended to have started the last 2 years, but did so because of circumstances. Had Tony not gone down, Dak would have been where he was intended - 2 or 3 on the depth chart while going through development. What changed was that his developing was and still is being done as the starter.

 

[Stash]

Presenting facts are one thing. Spinning them to support a narrative is quite another.

A far better thing that cluelessly putting out offbase opinions with no support.

I'll respect an opinion with numbers to support it rather than just someone running off at the mouth with nothing. I have no respect for that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

And do you not realize that makes my argument even stronger? Anybody can play freaking qb when they are selling out to stop the run on every play. Hell the year Adrian Peterson ran for 2000 yards it made Christian Ponder look like he belonged in the NFL. The great ones are the ones that can carve you up even without the best rb in the league

Use your Eyes. LOL

The kid is a complete stud. But I wouldnt expect a Romo cry baby to realize that. As much as I love Romo, he needed help as well. All QB's need it. Some more than others. And the dual threat of Dak make things very difficult on a defense. Dak stats are up there with the greats. Beating most of them the first two years. QB's need time to develop. The problem with you cry babies is you dont understand football or QB development. All you see is your hero Romo is gone. He quit on you. And Romo was the guy that told everyone on national TV and on the sidelines they caught it on camera. Telling his coach and then everyone that Dak earned it. Thats how good Dak is. Too bad you were blind with tears crying your eyes out. Where would the franchise be right now without Dak?

Looks like your stuck crying for the next 10 years while Im cheering. Poor guy.

 

[Stash]

Ok, but what is their average per attempt and per completion? I don't know and am not making a case either way. The only thing I'm speaking to is that a single stat can be used to present whatever point the person wants to make.

The number is the number. Completion percentage is a stat indicative of accuracy. And such a high number directly refutes an unsupported opinion alone that says Dak is inaccurate.

If you want to pull up those other numbers, feel free to do so. I proved what I set out to prove.

Personally, I don't know yet whether Dak will be a Danny White/Tony Romo or Roger Staubach. What I do know is he's a 4th round, 2 year player that was not intended to have started the last 2 years, but did so because of circumstances. Had Tony not gone down, Dak would have been where he was intended - 2 or 3 on the depth chart while going through development. What changed was that his developing was and still is being done as the starter.

Undoubtedly so.

But that doesn't change the fact that during his development, he's put up numbers that are far, far, better than more highly acclaimed quarterbacks. And yet, somehow, Dak is the guy doubted and scorned. That thought process makes no sense.

 

[AsthmaField]

I can see why that's off base, for sure. I don't listen to him regularly, but like I've said, I've seen several of his videos on YouTube where he's been quite complimentary.

As a matter of fact, I think he picked The Cowboys to win the NFC East this year.

He did. Like I said, he’s said some good things recently... but historically, he’s been anti Dallas.

 

[CowboyRoy]

im supporting Dak, those numbers I was referring to is JGaroopolo hes at this point overrated and didnt deserve that contract nor does he deserve being thought of as better than Dak until he actual plays fulltime in real games and shows more than he did last year.. he looks solid but not 28mil good..if hes elite NE made a HUGE mistake letting him go given Bradys age etc..they are supposed to be smart the best in the NFL and they let there next superstar QB go to not hurt bradys feelings? sounds like acowboy move..

Like I said. Some people can see it and some people cant. Maybe you need a few years once he is making pro bowls and taking them to playoffs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I have to chime in here...are you talking about Jimmy Garoppolo from the SF 49ers? More seasoned? The guy has played in 23 games in 4 seasons. He had a nice run towards the end of last season. That's nice but how does that make him "more seasoned and better" than a guy that has started in every game for his first 2 years, played in the playoffs, and won Rookie of the year?

You Dak haters do realize the guy was hurt in the second half of last season? That he got sacked 24 times in the second half of last season? That he had issues with his throwing hand? Do you guys get that? Garoppolo may end up being good but let's see what happens when DCs have some tape on the guy and figure out how to defend him. Garoppolo is NOT better than Dak Prescott. You guys are crazy.

Been in the league longer, coached up more.

 

[Stash]

He did. Like I said, he’s said some good things recently... but historically, he’s been anti Dallas.

Fair enough. It sounds like you listen to him more than I do so you would likely know better.

 

[mcmvp]

Based on what? You have zero basis to make that claim. I could turn it around and say the same of Dak. Baseless. Time will tell. My point is Dak has been great in Dallas and does not deserve the hate he gets.

Common sense. It’s not difficult to deduce that if both QBs were in the same draft, Garoppolo would be ahead of Dak on just about every board.

 

[Diehardblues]

A far better thing that cluelessly putting out offbase opinions with no support.

I'll respect an opinion with numbers to support it rather than just someone running off at the mouth with nothing. I have no respect for that.

But that’s what a forum is based on. Opinions based on the passion of fans in how they view and interpret events.

This is not a reporting entity which is focused on factual data.

 

[Stash]

Did you know?

Since entering the league in 2016, Carson Wentz has thrown for 49 touchdowns and 21 interceptions and has run for 2 more touchdowns? For a total of 51 touchdowns scored?

Since entering the league, Dak Prescott has thrown for 45 touchdowns and 17 interceptions and run for 12 more touchdowns? For a total of 57 touchdowns scored?

 

[Stash]

But that’s what a forum is based on. Opinions based on the passion of fans in how they view and interpret events.

This is not a reporting entity which is focused on factual data.

Do you know what an unsupported opinion is?

Noise.

Told by an idiot, Full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

 

[Stash]

Common sense. It’s not difficult to deduce that if both QBs were in the same draft, Garoppolo would be ahead of Dak on just about every board.

How about Wentz? Given that Dak has outproduced him, would Dak be "ahead of him on just about every board" or is that different too?

 

[mcmvp]

How about Wentz? Given that Dak has outproduced him, would Dak be "ahead of him on just about every board" or is that different too?

I suppose it depends on how you define production. But yes I think it’s safe to say Wentz would be ahead of Dak on draft boards.

I’m not bashing Dak...only offering an opinion about where he ranks compared to the others discussed. I agree with Colin that he is at least tier 3

 

[Diehardblues]

Do you know what an unsupported opinion is?

Noise.

Told by an idiot, Full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

Noise is what fan forums are based on. Much like sitting around watching a game with other fans.

It’s how we can all watch the same play or game and come away with different perspectives , effects and solutions.