Every int thrown by Dak in 2017

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It is BS. It ignores physics. Sure in most situations it's probably an accurate expectation, but it is far from absolute.
I never said anything about absolutes. Just pointing out the lack of effort. I've seen tons of plays that a WR put effort into making it harder for the defense. It's coached at the high school level.
It's not BS from a WR perspective. Saying that anytime a WR touches the ball he should catch it is BS, but not making it harder for the defender to make a play.

Interesting that you only saw #,3 lol.
 
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First game he was definately harassed. That second game though.

I’m thinking that this season will be different! It better be! :clap::clap::clap:

Let’s go cowboys
 

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My observations:

1. It looks to me several of the ints were due to odd bounces off of the receiver's hands (5 maybe?). That's really on the receivers I don't know how a QB can prevent that. Any QB.

2. A couple of the ints were on the receivers falling down. I'm not sure what a QB is supposed to do to prevent those ints either.

3. Dak threw a couple of balls up for grabs. They were bad decisions by the QB. Those are the ones Dak should do his best to improve on and eliminate.

4. A couple were due to pressure. Are those on Dak? It depends on how you look at it. Careless with pressure in his face? Probably so. What we don't have is the situation involved. Or its second down early in the game you protect the ball at all costs. If it's 4th down late in a game and you turn the ball over on downs it's a little bit different.

5. Dez sure was involved a lot in those 13 turnovers in some form or fashion. Watching those clips reaffirmed that the team made the right decision to cut him loose. What an underachiever!!!!
 

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Y'all want to see some of the worst interceptions ever in Cowboys history?

Check this out...

Romo's last 4 years as a starter (2012 - 2015 seasons). He was in his early 30s, supposed to be a veteran QBs prime years, especially with Romo's experience up to that point.

Check out these interpretations. Some of the worst throws ever made.... into double and triple coverages, across the middle of the field against good coverage (deadly sin), off his back foot, off balanced throws, not enough arm/zip behind some, too much air behind others, and some of the worst choke drive-killing/game & season ending "win or go home" jobs seen in a very long time throws.



But yeah, let's instead bash on Dak's 2017 13 interceptions where 5 of those easily were on the receivers.

Aside from maybe Brady and Rodgers, you see these types of INT's w/ all QB's.

What you have are a pile of fans comparing Dak's negative plays to other QB's highlight reels.
 

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still crying about Romo. let's talk about the lack of pressure where he panic's. Go back and rewatch the tapes, is the pressure so bad, that he couldn't have stepped up and move away from the pressure. I guess the pocket awareness issues that the scouts were talking about was all made up.
 

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These Dak debates always kill me because we know he is going to be our qb and we know he's probably going to be here for the next two years. So what is the debate?

It's always funny to me because Dak had arguably one of the best rookie campaigns of all time. But people judge him based on his sophomore year. Meanwhile, guys like Mariota get the benefit of the doubt and Derek Carr. For some reason Dak is asked to chase the ghost of Romo when Romo himself in the scheme of things accomplished two playoff wins throughout his caree and was plagued by poor throws throughout his 20s and early 30s. But people chose to remember Romo for his 2014 season.
 

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still crying about Romo. let's talk about the lack of pressure where he panic's. Go back and rewatch the tapes, is the pressure so bad, that he couldn't have stepped up and move away from the pressure. I guess the pocket awareness issues that the scouts were talking about was all made up.
I don't recall him having pocket issues his rookie year.
 

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5 out of 13 Ints went right off receivers hands (2 Terrence, 3 Dez)
3 were cause by arm or body contact during the throw

Actually went through them again. I saw 3 bad tips off of receivers 2 others I can't quite tell if they hit the receiver. One Denver, One Oakland. 3 caused by contact. so maybe as much as 10 bad passes, still very good. The ones caused by contact, I will put on him for awareness. By the way his career Int% is 1.8. Here is the list of guys ahead of him on the all time list..Aaron Rodgers 1.6. List over.
 

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Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Results, equals, rushed throws, late throws, behind and over players head. Pretty sure the video highlights this.

Is he a bad QB, no. Does he have issues, yes. Can they be fixed, who knows. Can panic be fixed?
 
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Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Results, equals, rushed throws, late throws, behind and over players head. Pretty sure the video highlights this.

Is he a bad QB, no. Does he have issues, yes. Can they be fixed, who knows. Can panic be fixed?

Let them sell there Dak-dreams its ok there just dreams of a wannabe QB that will never exist in Dak as the young man simply doesn't have the god given talent base to make it happen at QB for us or any NFL team. Time will confirm this sooner than later. Its just a shame that we will waste another season to finally confirm Dak's benching and eventual removal from the team ...aka...our version of RG3 or Tyrod Taylor.....Go Boys
 

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I never said anything about absolutes. Just pointing out the lack of effort. I've seen tons of plays that a WR put effort into making it harder for the defense. It's coached at the high school level.
It's not BS from a WR perspective. Saying that anytime a WR touches the ball he should catch it is BS, but not making it harder for the defender to make a play.

Interesting that you only saw #,3 lol.

What does "making it harder" look like? I didn't see a "lack of effort" on any of those. Effort isn't a guarantee for anything. And when you say "HAVE" (caps yours) then you are speaking in absolutes.
 

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Honestly yes Dak had some issues last year can they be fixed? I think so but well know more this year. I cant sit here behind this keyboard and not recognize that our last QB had a variety of issue early on and it panned out . Im hoping for the same here lets hope they do a better job of grooming a back up this time
 

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Think you need to do better thks.....Murray HB stats for the same years ....seems he ran a little now and then .....:rolleyes:

2014 Dallas Cowboys 16 392 24.5 1,845 4.7 115.3 13 51 85 21.7 15 3 3
2013 Dallas Cowboys 14 217 15.5 1,121 5.2 80.1 9 43 59 27.2 8 3 2
2012 Dallas Cowboys 10 161 16.1 663 4.1 66.3 4 48 39 24.2 5 1 2
2011 Dallas Cowboys 13 164 12.6 897 5.5 69.0 2 91T 41 25.0 7 2 1

You know, those stats don’t really help you as much as you think they do. The fact that in two of those four seasons Murray had less than 200 carries only goes to prove just how “pass happy” we were during Romo’s tenure. The third year wasn’t much different… Although 217 carries is at least a sign that the coaching staff was learning something.
 

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My observations:

1. It looks to me several of the ints were due to odd bounces off of the receiver's hands (5 maybe?). That's really on the receivers I don't know how a QB can prevent that. Any QB.

2. A couple of the ints were on the receivers falling down. I'm not sure what a QB is supposed to do to prevent those ints either.

3. Dak threw a couple of balls up for grabs. They were bad decisions by the QB. Those are the ones Dak should do his best to improve on and eliminate.

4. A couple were due to pressure. Are those on Dak? It depends on how you look at it. Careless with pressure in his face? Probably so. What we don't have is the situation involved. Or its second down early in the game you protect the ball at all costs. If it's 4th down late in a game and you turn the ball over on downs it's a little bit different.

5. Dez sure was involved a lot in those 13 turnovers in some form or fashion. Watching those clips reaffirmed that the team made the right decision to cut him loose. What an underachiever!!!!

Watch the second Denver pick. His effort to make a tackle to avoid a long INT return was a disgrace. The guy was a cancer. So glad he is gone.
 

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What does "making it harder" look like? I didn't see a "lack of effort" on any of those. Effort isn't a guarantee for anything. And when you say "HAVE" (caps yours) then you are speaking in absolutes.
When a WR cannot make a catch be it a poor pass, tipped or got run off route he can make an attempt to play defender if an opposing player is in position or has the potential to make a play on the ball.
Pretty simple stuff. Making it harder for a defender to intercept for example, by hitting the ball down instead of up. Another way is to not give up on a broken play.
 

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Aside from maybe Brady and Rodgers, you see these types of INT's w/ all QB's.

What you have are a pile of fans comparing Dak's negative plays to other QB's highlight reels.
good point. Folks are only going to see what they want to see.
 
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