If Dak can't throw, how do you explain 2016?

[Aviano90]

That’s cute again, but that was never the contention. Basically you are trying to change the subject now, while arguing endlessly that Zeke is basically equivalent to guys like DMac and Randle and not like AP and we shouldn’t have spent a 4th on him...

Hell, we even won our games last year when they fed the call to Zeke over twenty times.

Since you won’t answer the question I am going to take it you agree with me that Zeke needs to improve. If you feel otherwise, let me know.

And Zeke is not worth a 4th. Convince me I am wrong

 

[khiladi]

Since you won’t answer the question I am going to take it you agree with me that Zeke needs to improve. If you feel otherwise, let me know.

And Zeke is not worth a 4th. Convince me I am wrong

First you convince me that your example that Zeke isn’t a ‘generational back’ or he’s basicalky equivalent to Randle or DMac because AP supposedly ran for 2000 yards every year with similar circumstances and, because if that, AP was worth it, while Zeke isn’t..

Or convince me that your last twenty examples were not garbage examples that never proved your Constantly flipping points in the first place,

 

[HellCrowe]

Lol trick question but not.

Can’t hang your hat on 2016.

Can’t run without a respectable passing game

.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Our CBs looked pretty darn good game one. I'd argue better than Jacksonville's. Ramsey's good but he can be punked too. He spends too much time runing his mouth and can't get past Brady and the Pats and was basically a non-factor in the game. We sucked on the ground in 2015 and Zeke basically carried this team in 2016 (something that Ramsey is not capable of doing based upon the position he plays). Zeke was the right pick.We take Ramsey we don't make the playoff in 2016.

Oh yah, one game. And that Carolina passing game is really great. Surely that wipes away 3 years of Jones getting burn at safety.

Glad you think Zeks is the right pick. I take Ramsey 10 out of 10 times. And where did zeke get us in 2016 once we hit the playoffs? One and done.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Sean Payton was never OC here..

It was never his title. I think I remember Jones actually didnt even have an OC one year. Odly enough.

 

[Batman1980]

I am also no longer sold on Zeke being worth a top 5 pick. If he's going to be the main cog in our offense, we need a lot better than what we got out of him on Sunday.

 

[Aviano90]

First you convince me that your example that Zeke isn’t a ‘generational back’ or he’s basicalky equivalent to Randle or DMac because AP supposedly ran for 2000 yards every year with similar circumstances and AP was worth it, while Zeke isn’t..

Or convince me that your last twenty examples were not garbage examples that never proved your Constantky flipping points in the first place,

Here we go again. I will try once more with you and I am going to answer you fully expecting you to not return the favor.

The reason AD (All Day) not AP’s 2000 yard season is brought up is because people claim Zeke can’t find the running room because Dak sucks and the boxes are stacked. That season shows that RBs can indeed have great seasons with poor QB play because Minnesota’s passing offense sucked.

So you can try to keep going back to that.

The point is Zeke should be producing more that what he did beginning last year and the excuses are just that...excuses trying to avoid saying Zeke does need to be better.

Now, do you believe Zeke needs to improve or not?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak's responsible for at least half of those sacks because he either brought the ball down when he had open receivers and held the ball too long or decided to take off and ran away from his blocks, right into defenders. Watch the All-22 and see if Dak passes the "eye test". Spoiler alert: He doesn't. I'll concede that penalities helped kills some drives, but Dak had plenty of chances and he simply blew it. IMHO The line clearly outplayed Dak and it ain't all that close.

Yep, certianly a couple. But like I said Dak sucked that game. Now stop arguing with a guy that agrees with you. I get your point you think Dak sucks. Let me guess, we need to take a QB with our first round pick next year right? Got it. You dont like Dak. got it.

You want to say it again to really drive it home? Maybe start a thread about it. Be original.

 

[khiladi]

Here we go again. I will try once more with you and I am going to answer you fully expecting you to not return the favor.

The reason AD (All Day) not AP’s 2000 yard season is brought up is because people claim Zeke can’t find the running room because Dak sucks and the boxes are stacked. That season shows that RBs can indeed have great seasons with poor QB play because Minnesota’s passing offense sucked.

So you can try to keep going back to that.

The point is Zeke should be producing more that what he did beginning last year and the excuses are just that...excuses trying to avoid saying Zeke does need to be better.

Now, do you believe Zeke needs to improve or not?

And here we go again..

You gave ONE year of APs, his best year ever while ignoring the rest of the data.

Zeke had a better first year than AP and his second season, he was on pace for better numbers last year than APs third season.

So what now? What defines generational back? 2000 yards every year when AP never did it?

Zeke’s career numbers right now are right up there with AP or Jamaal Charles, two RB brought up as some alleged examples that Zeke isn’t doing much.

So it’s clear who isn’t answering it. You’ve been trying to downplay Zeke this whole time, which is why you’ve even gotten to the point that your arguing about Julius Randle.. it’s weak..

 

[khiladi]

It was never his title. I think I remember Jones actually didnt even have an OC one year. Odly enough.

Well Sean Payton wasn’t a play-caller and Parcells ran a conservative offense and didn’t even want to start Romo the season he finally did, the OL was trash, when Flozell Adams went down in 2005 or so, the line proceeded to give up over 50 sacks. The OC by the end of the Parcells era was Parcells and Sparano, and Parcells first few years was Maurice Carthon. Sean Payton was the QB coach.

THere were plenty of players ahead of Romo and trying to argue he was developed during this waiting period is really not true.

 

[Aviano90]

And here we go again..

You gave ONE year of APs, his best year ever while ignoring the rest of the data.

Zeke had a better first year than AP and his second season, he was on pace for better numbers last year than APs third season.

So what now? What defines generational back? 2000 yards every year when AP never did it?

Zeke’s career numbers right now are right up there with AP or Jamaal Charles, two RB brought up as some alleged examples that Zeke isn’t doing much.

So it’s clear who isn’t answering it. You’ve been trying to downplay Zeke this whole time, which is why you’ve even gotten to the point that your arguing about Julius Randle.. it’s weak..

I have answered your questions and you have yet again avoided mine.

I have claimed Zeke needs to get better and he wasn’t worth a 4th overall pick. I still stand by that. You have provided no reason for me to change my opinion. We got a good player with the pick and we could have gotten similar production with much less of an investment. Good day, sir!

 

[Cap12]

I am also no longer sold on Zeke being worth a top 5 pick. If he's going to be the main cog in our offense, we need a lot better than what we got out of him on Sunday.

Not his fault he only got 15 carries. Penalties on the OL put them behind the chains and poor play from the QB just took the offense right out of synch. Again, not Zeke's fault.

 

[Cap12]

Yep, certianly a couple. But like I said Dak sucked that game. Now stop arguing with a guy that agrees with you. I get your point you think Dak sucks. Let me guess, we need to take a QB with our first round pick next year right? Got it. You dont like Dak. got it.

You want to say it again to really drive it home? Maybe start a thread about it. Be original.

I'm not completely out on Dak yet, but I'm heading that way. Zeke is the best thing we got on offense right now. if we take Ramsey we are truly screwed. BTW, I've been saying the same stuff about Dak since 2016, so I'm not only original but consistent too, lol.

 

[khiladi]

I have answered your questions and you have yet again avoided mine.

I have claimed Zeke needs to get better and he wasn’t worth a 4th overall pick. I still stand by that. You have provided no reason for me to change my opinion. We got a good player with the pick and we could have gotten similar production with much less of an investment. Good day, sir!

No you haven’t answered my questions. You’ve been flip flopping the whole time.

Your original claim is Zeke was like any other back. Now you’ve actually qualified that by saying, “o I just mean fourth pick” only because I actually said it a few posts ago. Before you used the terms ‘generational back’ and compares his numbers to guys like DMac and Randle, claiming we get the same production of them, then we do a guy who is supposedly a general back and inpact RB..

Your scherade is cute though like I said before..

If no RB is worth that high and that was really your argument, you never would have brought the examples of AP up originally or Morris supposedly being a bigger home run hitter than Zeke when you claimed Zeke should be having more long runs to the house against stacked boxes, because that’s what supposedly happens against stacked boxes for other runners.

 

[Aviano90]

Better than 4.6 yards per carry and a TD isn't too shabby. Stacked box or not. The QB failed to make them pay. You can't blame Zeke for only getting 15 carries, so I don't see why he has to make any excuses.

Maybe we should have used the pick on a QB?

 

[Aviano90]

No you haven’t answered my questions. You’ve been flip flopping the whole time.

Your original claim is Zeke was like any other back. Now you’ve actually qualified that by saying, “o I just mean fourth pick” only because I actually said it a few posts ago. Before you used the terms ‘generational back’ and compares his numbers to guys like DMac and Randle, claiming we get the same production of them, then we do a guy who is supposedly a general back and inpact RB..

Your scherade is cute though like I said before..

Yeah still sticking by it too.

 

[Cap12]

Maybe we should have used the pick on a QB?

Not the QBs that were left. Paxton Lynch anybody?

 

[Aviano90]

Not the QBs that were left. Paxton Lynch anybody?

Could have moved up. We knew Romo was on his last legs.

 

[khiladi]

Yeah still sticking by it too.

So then it’s not because he was drafted as number 4.. until you need to flip flop again and then say, well no RB is worth going that high, because their production never matches their impact...

 

[Cap12]

Could have moved up. We knew Romo was on his last legs.

Eagles and the Rams were not coming off Wentz or Goff. The cost would have been prohibitively high if we could have gotten them to agree to a trade. After how pathetic we were on the ground (in terms of red zone rushing and lack of chunk plays) in 2015, Zeke was a no brainer. He's the best thing we have on Offense.