Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

[G2]

It's not about "leaving out the play". It happened. It's in his total stats. But if one wants to dig deeper than what the final box score says, then lets look at stretches of his play in that game.

And from 13 minutes left in the first quarter until the end, his QB play was inconsistent for the rest of the game.

If one wants to critically analyze Prescott's play, that fact is pretty damn important. It's stunning that people want to essentially ignore his play over the VAST MAJORITY of the game simply because he connected on a bomb in the first minute of the game.

Stop it, I'm not ignoring anything. That one play that you are leaving out was still a play and it was significant. If you take out that one play we may have lost.
Again, no one is "ignoring" your point of view. Simply disagreeing with. Let's move on?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

It's not about "leaving out the play". It happened. It's in his total stats. But if one wants to dig deeper than what the final box score says, then lets look at stretches of his play in that game.

And from 13 minutes left in the first quarter until the end, his QB play was inconsistent for the rest of the game.

If one wants to critically analyze Prescott's play, that fact is pretty damn important. It's stunning that people want to essentially ignore his play over the VAST MAJORITY of the game simply because he connected on a bomb in the first minute of the game.

True, but if you look you'll see most passing touchdowns are not a long throw directly to the end zone, most of them are shorter passes with a long run after the catch, so that td isn't atypical for the NFL...

He's hitting 64% of his throws, over the course of a season that's one of the top percentages. The record for a season is 72.2%, that's not a huge amount better, and that's only been done once. Heck, Romo hit 69.9% of his throws one year and didn't even make the NFC championship game. Only 2 more completions Sunday and Dak's at 72%. Just what do you expect from Dak? 90% accuracy? That's impossible over the course of a season.

Dak does need to be a bit more more consistent, but I don't see he can't do it. He's only played two games with Austin, Hurns, Thompson and Gallup, will take some more game time to get the timing down.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

No defense in the NFL is good enough to consistently win when the offense has 100 passing yards. Unless Zeke is running over 200 every game, which is never going to happen, and it would be a quck end to Zeke's career if they tried.

The 100 was a low number to make my point, I'm sure you didn't think I was saying Dak only had to get to 100 yards to win. That's called exaggerating, by the way. But you know that.

In 2015 Peyton Manning threw for an average of 225 yards and 0.9 tds a game, and an average of 180 yards and 0.67 tds in the playoffs, and the Broncos won the SB. Not saying Dak can run a game like Peyton did, or that the Dallas defense is as good as the Broncos was that year (though we've got 14 more games to get there!).

I'm just saying that it's not a necessity to have a 4,500 - 5,000 yard, 40 - 50 td quarterback to be successful, winning SBs can be done other ways. If you can't grasp that concept, I can't help you...

 

[Beaker42]

There was a little of that yeah in the drives that were stopped by penalties... But that wasn't Prescott's issue.

Then you had a Giants drive that lasted 11 plays and covered 23 yards but took a chunk of time off the clock– That was due to the inefficiency of the defense.

And finally you had the Giants consume additional time of possession in the 4th quarter on the onside kick the Cowboys special teams botched.

So there you go...

Was it Swaim who coughed up the bullet onside kick? He should’ve let it go past him downfield to give us extra time to corral it and fall on it.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Was it Swaim who coughed up the bullet onside kick? He should’ve let it go past him downfield to give us extra time to corral it and fall on it.

No... It was Jarwin.

He was replaced by Sean Lee on the next OS attempt.

 

[jterrell]

32 pages in and still going...

Dallas only had 8 real offensive possessions in the game versus the Giants. --there were two one play kneeldowns.
Of those they scored on four and had two '3 and outs'. Of those '3 and outs' one of those actually gained 14 yards but two penalties destroyed the drive.

Average NFL offensive drives is 12. Basic math suggests if you are mad about 160 yards passing you could pretty easily multiple by 1.5 and see that is 240 yards on an average offensive evening.

When you want to complain about "total yardage" or "passing yardage" this is the kind of stat you need to know to appear to have paid any attention to the game at all.

 

[Reid1boys]

True, but if you look you'll see most passing touchdowns are not a long throw directly to the end zone, most of them are shorter passes with a long run after the catch, so that td isn't atypical for the NFL...

He's hitting 64% of his throws, over the course of a season that's one of the top percentages. The record for a season is 72.2%, that's not a huge amount better, and that's only been done once. Heck, Romo hit 69.9% of his throws one year and didn't even make the NFC championship game. Only 2 more completions Sunday and Dak's at 72%. Just what do you expect from Dak? 90% accuracy? That's impossible over the course of a season.

Dak does need to be a bit more more consistent, but I don't see he can't do it. He's only played two games with Austin, Hurns, Thompson and Gallup, will take some more game time to get the timing down.

So if dak plays more games with rico, you are saying he might hit him when he is wide open, because he would now be familiar with his route running?....him, ok

 

[Sydla]

True, but if you look you'll see most passing touchdowns are not a long throw directly to the end zone, most of them are shorter passes with a long run after the catch, so that td isn't atypical for the NFL...

He's hitting 64% of his throws, over the course of a season that's one of the top percentages. The record for a season is 72.2%, that's not a huge amount better, and that's only been done once. Heck, Romo hit 69.9% of his throws one year and didn't even make the NFC championship game. Only 2 more completions Sunday and Dak's at 72%. Just what do you expect from Dak? 90% accuracy? That's impossible over the course of a season.

Dak does need to be a bit more more consistent, but I don't see he can't do it. He's only played two games with Austin, Hurns, Thompson and Gallup, will take some more game time to get the timing down.

Who said anything about completion percentages? If he throws a bunch of 3 yard passes, I suspect he can get his completion percentage up quite a bit. But after that bomb, he averaged less than 4 yards per completion over the last 24 passes he threw that game. That's really poor. That has to be better.

Look if you guys want to believe he played well Sunday, have at it. Analysis of the game tells a different story. He was average. Which, yes, looks better than his Week 1 showing where he was actually not very good. I think people have a rosier opinion of his performance simply because we logged a W.

And note, nowhere do I suggest he can't get better or improve. I am just saying if you look at that game Sunday night and really look at it, his performance wasn't as good as some think it was.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

32 pages in and still going...

Dallas only had 8 real offensive possessions in the game versus the Giants. --there were two one play kneeldowns.
Of those they scored on four and had two '3 and outs'. Of those '3 and outs' one of those actually gained 14 yards but two penalties destroyed the drive.

Average NFL offensive drives is 12. Basic math suggests if you are mad about 160 yards passing you could pretty easily multiple by 1.5 and see that is 240 yards on an average offensive evening.

When you want to complain about "total yardage" or "passing yardage" this is the kind of stat you need to know to appear to have paid any attention to the game at all.

Truth.

 

[sacase]

32 pages in and still going...

Dallas only had 8 real offensive possessions in the game versus the Giants. --there were two one play kneeldowns.
Of those they scored on four and had two '3 and outs'. Of those '3 and outs' one of those actually gained 14 yards but two penalties destroyed the drive.

Average NFL offensive drives is 12. Basic math suggests if you are mad about 160 yards passing you could pretty easily multiple by 1.5 and see that is 240 yards on an average offensive evening.

When you want to complain about "total yardage" or "passing yardage" this is the kind of stat you need to know to appear to have paid any attention to the game at all.

You are so off. 240 would get us laughed out of the building. Right now we are ranked 30 in total yards. Last year 240 would be well below the last place offense.

 

[CapnCook]

You are so off. 240 would get us laughed out of the building. Right now we are ranked 30 in total yards. Last year 240 would be well below the last place offense.

That's about what Russel Wilson got per game laughing all the way to a Super Bowl. 209.81 to be more precise (if I got the math right).

Let's not get carried away on either side of the debate. He did better, but he has a ways to go. That seems to be about the right way to evaluate Dak, thus far.

 

[sacase]

That's about what Russel Wilson got per game laughing all the way to a Super Bowl. 209.81 to be more precise (if I got the math right).

Let's not get carried away on either side of the debate. He did better, but he has a ways to go. That seems to be about the right way to evaluate Dak, thus far.

They averaged 339 per game not an anemic 240 like you suggest. Fact is Dak and this offense isn't getting it done. Period.

 

[Sydla]

You are so off. 240 would get us laughed out of the building. Right now we are ranked 30 in total yards. Last year 240 would be well below the last place offense.

I think his 240 was passing yards, not total yards.

 

[Sydla]

32 pages in and still going...

Dallas only had 8 real offensive possessions in the game versus the Giants. --there were two one play kneeldowns.
Of those they scored on four and had two '3 and outs'. Of those '3 and outs' one of those actually gained 14 yards but two penalties destroyed the drive.

Average NFL offensive drives is 12. Basic math suggests if you are mad about 160 yards passing you could pretty easily multiple by 1.5 and see that is 240 yards on an average offensive evening.

When you want to complain about "total yardage" or "passing yardage" this is the kind of stat you need to know to appear to have paid any attention to the game at all.

Does that average NFL drive average of 12 include kneel down drives? If it does, you can't then use that average and then turn around and take out kneel down drives in our game against the Giants. It wouldn't be an apple to apples analysis.

 

[Reid1boys]

I think his 240 was passing yards, not total yards.

Slice it and dice it anyway you want to. Our offense ranked 30th after two games. Look at offenses 25 Andy below, then look at their qbs. See any stud qbs in that group?

 

[aikemirv]

True, but if you look you'll see most passing touchdowns are not a long throw directly to the end zone, most of them are shorter passes with a long run after the catch, so that td isn't atypical for the NFL...

He's hitting 64% of his throws, over the course of a season that's one of the top percentages. The record for a season is 72.2%, that's not a huge amount better, and that's only been done once. Heck, Romo hit 69.9% of his throws one year and didn't even make the NFC championship game. Only 2 more completions Sunday and Dak's at 72%. Just what do you expect from Dak? 90% accuracy? That's impossible over the course of a season.

Dak does need to be a bit more more consistent, but I don't see he can't do it. He's only played two games with Austin, Hurns, Thompson and Gallup, will take some more game time to get the timing down.

Accuracy is relative based on the degree of difficulty of your throws. When you are unwilling to attempt the tough throws your accuracy will stay high while your YPA will be low!

 

[CapnCook]

They averaged 339 per game not an anemic 240 like you suggest. Fact is Dak and this offense isn't getting it done. Period.

Thought we were talking about passing and not total offense.

You responded to @jterrell regarding the extrapolated passing of 240 yards.

They averaged 339 total offense in 2013 for the regular season. Russel Wilson had 209+ yards passing.

 

[jterrell]

Does that average NFL drive average of 12 include kneel down drives? If it does, you can't then use that average and then turn around and take out kneel down drives in our game against the Giants. It wouldn't be an apple to apples analysis.

The average is 24.7 possessions per game. So 12.35 per side.
There could be at most 1 kneel down per half 1 per side on average If there were kneeldowns each half and there are not.
So the answer is at minimum the average posessions would be 11.35 + 1 kneeldown.

Or we look at it another way:
Offensive plays. in 2017 per team avg was 67.5 to 58 per game.

Dallas had 50 offensive plays including 2 kneel-downs Sunday night.

 

[Cap12]

This thread is dumb. Dak was good enough to win. Right now, that is all that matters. He will need to be better to beat the Seahawks on Monday. Then we can have another thread about how Dak wasn't all that good (even though he won). This team (including the QB) is a work-in-progress. I don't think Dak is the QB of the future. Linehan is feeding him the 2016 playbook like pablum. Dak is executing it well enough for now. As I said, I don't think he'll be the QB here in the future, but I like the kid so I hope I'm wrong.

 

[jterrell]

They averaged 339 per game not an anemic 240 like you suggest. Fact is Dak and this offense isn't getting it done. Period.

The LA Rams averaged 239.8passign yards per game in 2017. That was good for 12.
Dak's 240 given 1.5 as many series to reach avg would have overtaken them for 12th in the league.