TNF Thread Vikings vs Rams

[HowardC]

Are we going to ignore the massively horrible defense we had in 2013? Heck, 2012 wasn't much better.

YES! yes he will...

 

[DFWJC]

lol it's funny how romo can go 8 and 8 for 3 seasons with guys like witten, dez, martellus bennett, demarco murray, felix jones, tyron smith, travis frederick and he is 'carrying' those guys. it took zack martin and murray rushing for 1800 yards to break 8 and 8... but dak going 13 and 3 and 9 and 7 with older versions of a lot of those guys and zeke out for over a third of the season is 'everything going perfect' for him.

You're getting worse, not better.
Really, you need to just stop

Talking like freaking Felix Jones (low volume JAG...not a starter anywhere) and nutjob Marty B were so great. Good grief
And more importantly forgetting the entire other side of the ball...epically bad defenses...32nd ranked one year. Btw, not that it matters, but it was 8-7 in 2013 with Tony.

Anyway, your sounding really bad here, buddy.
Shut it down

 

[HowardC]

lol it's funny how romo can go 8 and 8 for 3 seasons with guys like witten, dez, martellus bennett, demarco murray, felix jones, tyron smith, travis frederick and he is 'carrying' those guys. it took zack martin and murray rushing for 1800 yards to break 8 and 8... but dak going 13 and 3 and 9 and 7 with older versions of a lot of those guys and zeke out for over a third of the season is 'everything going perfect' for him.

AGAIN. Ignore the **** defenses they had...

 

[HowardC]

Well after watching tonights game I'm convinced more than ever the league is fixed...the political push to make the NFL relevant in LA is complete BS. If you as a fan can't see it...then enjoy the new NFL. Myself as a hardcore fan for the last 40 years...am about to turn off the tube for good. It's fake football @ it's worst. I don't care how many points were scored tonight...the agenda is pure garbage for the unintellectual fan.

Them picking up that block in the back flag was pretty blatant.

 

[Hennessy_King]

You're getting worse, not better.
Really, you need to just stop

Talking like freaking Felix Jones (low volume JAG...not a starter anywhere) and nutjob Marty B were so great. Good grief
And more importantly forgetting the entire other side of the ball...epically bad defenses...32nd ranked one year. Btw, not that it matters, but it was 8-7 in 2013 with Tony.

Anyway, your sounding really bad here, buddy.
Shut it down

We took felix jones over desean jackson. I hated that pick so damn much. I remember almost punching my tv.

 

[DFWJC]

We took felix jones over desean jackson. I hated that pick so damn much. I remember almost punching my tv.

Chris Johnson too

 

[Hennessy_King]

You are just throwing out names and hoping they stick. It’s Nonsense.

ROMO didn’t need Linehan, Romo needed Garrett out of his way. Romo wasn’t even allowed in game planning meetings when Garrett was OC and playcaller. That was forced by Jerry from on top when Romo got the new contract. That’s when even Wade Wilson said they would start seeing Romo’s input on offense and guess what, that’s when they started running the ball and drafting guys like Frederick for Romo, while Garrett thought they were going to draft Sharif Floyd.

That 13-3 season Dak had was when Free, Smith, Frederick, Leary all played together a minimum of theee years and Martin as well, who played with all of them for two. That is in no way comparable to the turnstyle Romo had. They also played one of the weakest schedules in the league and Dak looked like turd against the only legitimate defenses he played in the Vikings and Giants.

Whenever Zeke ran it was because Linehan called run. And when teams adjusted and Dak was given more responsibility, he looked like trash and the plays were dumbed down for him. And now that they have taken away Dak’s first read in Beasley, he looks straight garbage and Linehan can’t do anything about it.

So now Dak is in year 3 with Linehan and looks worse and worse every year and your going to sit here and tell me he’s look better under Garrett when Linehan even cut down on the 5-7 step drop for Dak, because he’s terrible at it and that’s was basically the bread and butter in Garrett’s Coryell.

Dak has never seen the trash that Romo did.. Teams played deep cover 2 against Romo and had no respect for the run when Garrett was an OC here. Ever defense is sitting on Dak and playing close to the line, because they aren’t in any way scared of him and they respect the run more than Dak’s arm.

Even when Romo came back against the Eagles, they dropped back after seeing his first throw, totally respecting his arm, while Dak without Zeke, they just came after him and Dak was like a typical deer in the headlights throwing wobblers that should have been picked off. That’s how much you know when you bring up the Eagles game.. Dak was absolute trash that game, looking like he does now regularly giving a glimpse of his future suckage..

For you to sit here and compare the two is a joke.

Dak got sacked 32 times last year and Romo saw higher than that regularly. And that’s what you Dak homers call as bad a line as Romo had.. Dak set records of futility that Dallas never saw in those conditions including going ten quarters without scoring, not being able to score against the third string Eagles defense and record pick 6s returned for touchdowns. Dak has had more time to hold the ball this year than pretty much any QB this season.

Real quick and don't look it up. How many sacks was the most romo has taken in a season? Take a guess

 

[Hennessy_King]

Chris Johnson too

I was a huge desean jackson fan when he was coming out of Cal. I'm like we could use a speedster playmaker/punt returner but I guess jerry thought mcfadden's backup was a better pick. smh. Chris johnson too but i was a bigger d jax fan. shame he went to the eagles.

 

[DFWJC]

Real quick and don't look it up. How many sacks was the most romo has taken in a season? Take a guess

He was epically elusive, and he also threw it at times when he actually shouldve taken the sack.... so I would assume the number isnt huge

 

[Hennessy_King]

He was epically elusive, and he also threw it at times when he actually shouldve taken the sack.... so I would assume the number isnt huge

3 seasons of more than 32. 36,36,35 one of those seasons was actually 2014. But can we stop with romo laid on his back for entire seasons because it didn't happen. **** Brady has had 3 seasons with more sacks than romo's highest.

 

[DFWJC]

3 seasons of more than 32. 36,36,35 one of those seasons was actually 2014. But can we stop with romo laid on his back for entire seasons because it didn't happen. **** Brady has had 3 seasons with more sacks than romo's highest.

True.

He did run for his life alot though.
But really he needed to learn a bit earlier in his career to either throw it away or take a sack sometimes.

The never say die attitude allowed him less sacks but cause some turnovers and injuries

 

[Hennessy_King]

True.

He did run for his life alot though.
But really he needed to learn a bit earlier in his career to either throw it away or take a sack sometimes.

The never say die attitude allowed him less sacks but cause some turnovers and injuries

He didn't run for his life though. Maybe once in a blue, but not regularly.

 

[DFWJC]

He didn't run for his life though. Maybe once in a blue, but not regularly.

Yeah, I meant scramble to pass, not to run.
Should've been more clear.
His in pocket before pressure time was nil in those bad years (the 8-8 ones).
He actually had a pretty good (but older) line early on....2007 etc.

 

[Reid1boys]

If we're not going to use the o line to excuse Dak, let's not use it to excuse Romo either. Those 8 and 8 seasons were square on Romo's shoulders.

You will be longing for those 8 and 8 seasons after a 3 win season with dak.

 

[Reid1boys]

Were the receivers perfect, was the coaching perfect? Nope. But a QB at least needs a good Oline if nothing else.

So are you saying that every good qb in the nfl has outstanding oline play?

 

[Aviano90]

3 seasons of more than 32. 36,36,35 one of those seasons was actually 2014. But can we stop with romo laid on his back for entire seasons because it didn't happen. **** Brady has had 3 seasons with more sacks than romo's highest.

The line was bad in 2012. The other years they were mediocre.
The defense was bad in 2012 and really bad in 2013.
The run game has always been average to great, just significantly under utilized when we were pass happy.

Romo fans will use the extremes as if they were the norm. They will cling to losses like 51-48 trying to prove Romo never stood a chance because he could put up 48 points and still lose, as if that was the norm instead of the the outlier.

They will cling to Romo not having a running game, offensive line to defenses as if that was the norm because they can cite an outlier of a year with something like “Romo bad historically bad defenses”.

The team was never perfect. It wasn’t as bad as it is made to believe now in order to sensationalize the odds Romo had to try and singlehandely overcome.

I used to be a huge Romo supporter, and if you are who I believe you are, we used to argue damn near nightly for a couple seasons.

But these Romo lovers of today make me hate the man with their over-exaggerations and over protecting him. I used to argue that he didn’t suck and team did have a chance to win with him as QB. Now it seems the excuses used to prove he didn’t suck and he could lead a team to winning are used to try and prove he was this great QB who was never given a chance to succeed. It’s sickening these guys just can’t accept the fact he was a very good player who just didn’t win and his play also contributed to why the team didn’t win more when the opportunity presented itself. You have to believe Romo was the reason for any success and was never apart of the failure.

 

[khiladi]

Real quick and don't look it up. How many sacks was the most romo has taken in a season? Take a guess

Probably somewhere around 34-36 on average. I can’t remember the most he took in a season, but since Garrett has been in total control, pretty awful. 2007 was good number-wise, in the 20s, but Sporano was also here.

The Romo affect was obvious in 2006, when they went from Bledsoe to Romo. The whole season everybody was talking about how bad the OL was. Bledsoe was pretty much sacked on average way more than Romo in 4 games less.

 

[khiladi]

3 seasons of more than 32. 36,36,35 one of those seasons was actually 2014. But can we stop with romo laid on his back for entire seasons because it didn't happen. **** Brady has had 3 seasons with more sacks than romo's highest.

First of all, Tom Brady isnt mobile and was never known for his ability to escape the pocket.

Secondly, Brady has played seven seasons where he has been sacked in the mid-20s and twice where his OL didn’t even break 20. Romo has never had a full season where he didn’t get touched under twenty times.

Third, Brady has played close to twenty years and while he has more season with more sacks than Romo, he’s had WAY MORE SEASONS where he’s had less sacks than Romo, particularly taking into account length of career. Again, you guys clearly lack understanding about normalization of stats.

Third, there is QB pressure and there are sacks.

Not sure what your point is, but if you think Brady was facing the same amount of pressure Romo has, you clearly are just trying. The year before 2007, with basically the same players, Bledsoe was sacked 16 times in 6 games while Romo played 10 games and was sacked 21 times, meaning the QB has something to do with the amount of times he gets sacked. The year prior to that, Bledsoe was sacked 49 times, in part because Adams went down and three of the linemen were starting in 2007.

 

[cowboyblue22]

after watching the rams team with their coaching staff you can see just how far away the cowboys are from competing in the nfl really great qb play and top of the line coaching makes the cowboys look like what they really are old and slow and out of date

 

[Biggems]

Man, I wish we could have drafted Kupp. He may not be a Cowboy, but he is my favorite WR in the NFL, one of my favorite players actually. I am also a fan of Diggs from Minnesota and Michael Thomas from NO.