PFT: Gregory was not lined up in the neutral zone

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They called that crap to give Brees another chance and it worked.
Between the "huddle" rule with Butler in the Playoffs, the ball movement on the Long Snapper against WAS and this bogus call the refs hold onto an automatic penalty against us until they need to keep it close

It is no longer a coincidence
 

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He is not "lined up" in the neutral zone. The zone is the space between tip of the ball to the back of the ball. By rule lining up on the tip of the ball is not the neutral zone. The LT lining up off the line is clear as day.

That's correct. He has to be beyond the tip of the ball. I'm not sure I was clear on that earlier.
 

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This is a much easier call to make than ones where bodies are flying around. The official is essentially looking down the point of the ball. Anyone clearly beyond the point of the ball is usually called for a neutral zone infraction.

I found a good example of a neutral zone infraction that should have been called here:

clear neutral zone foul...zero doubt. Unlike Gregory. Great post
 

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I mentioned this yesterday. What really bugs me about the call is the situation and the fact that the ref had time to think about it. It's third and five so the ref KNEW he was basically granting them a huge first down. You're inserting yourself into the game at that point.

So basically, the ref has to be right and it has to be egregious to call it. And that clearly was not the case. Guy probably line up in that position 50 times in a game and the ref decided to call it at that time?!? It was terrible.

Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense.
 

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Kamara ducked down when Smith was already leaning in for the hit, that one was on him.

I disagree. Jaylon launched himself leading with the crown of his helmet. I don't think there was any malicious intent, but that's what happened. That's a non no even without the helmet to helmet contact.
 

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I mentioned this yesterday. What really bugs me about the call is the situation and the fact that the ref had time to think about it. It's third and five so the ref KNEW he was basically granting them a huge first down. You're inserting yourself into the game at that point.

So basically, the ref has to be right and it has to be egregious to call it. And that clearly was not the case. Guy probably line up in that position 50 times in a game and the ref decided to call it at that time?!? It was terrible.

I'm not saying the ref's call was accurate, but if it was, it makes absolutely no difference what the situation was or that he had time to think about it. It's not inserting yourself into the game if the call was accurate.
 

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that's not offsides man. Look closer. His helmet is not across the ball.

This is exactly what's wrong with our fanbase. They're just completely ignorant.

His head doesn't need to be across the ball. The neutral ZONE is an area defined by the length of the ball that extends to each sideline.

If any part of your body (head, hand, shoulder, etc.) encroaches into that area it's an infraction.
 

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This is exactly what's wrong with our fanbase. They're just completely ignorant.

His head doesn't need to be across the ball. The neutral ZONE is an area defined by the length of the ball that extends to each sideline.

If any part of your body (head, hand, shoulder, etc.) encroaches into that area it's an infraction.
civility must not be one of your strong suits. Consider yourself ignored. Have a good one.
 

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tom landry once said bad calls have a way of evening themselves out over the course of a game. there were more than a fair share made yesterday, despite that being the most experienced officiating crew in the nfl. seems to me most diss on Gregory for what he's done in his past. might be a good time to let that go. he's playing hard and contributing to our victories. brain fartistry occurs from time to time. on cooper's fumble, he had the ball between his hands while on the ground. but he didn't bother to squeeze them together and lost the fumble. it happens.
 

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Didn't read the entire thread...basically because there is no need. As someone who officiated football at low levels before dirt was invented...and basketball up through D3 college...I can tell you it is incredibly difficult to be biased. Not saying it doesn't happen...just that it is A LOT harder than people think it is. Primarily because of the time, experience and skill it takes to reach even the small college level...much less the professional level...when the action starts you're instincts and training take over. You would be surprised how difficult it is to call a "make up call" when you know you kicked a call previously.

Even the rules guru last night said the crew was having a bad game, and they were. It happens. Trust me, when it is happening to you (and the crew) you know it and most of the time there isn't a thing you can do about it. It's like it's contagious and incurable. In those games, the harder you focus and try the more you screw up. Now, pre-snap penalties in football are different because you have time to really look and think. But in the case of lining up in the neutral zone you also have the issue of having to create that imaginary line...and when you are off, that line keeps disappearing in your minds eye. In a tight game you never want to give a team an advantage by missing something (and they missed a lot last night) so you sometimes give the other team an advantage by default.

During the training for both sports there were two givens the trainers used: 1 - Every time you throw your flag (or blow your whistle) half the people watching are going to think you're an idiot. 2 - Remember, during the games you feel like you suck, you suck for both sides.

OK...not very comforting, but the truth.
 
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