PFT: Gregory was not lined up in the neutral zone

[JustChip]

But the nose of the ball lines up with the front of the blue line and Gregory is half way across the blue line. The only logical conclusion is, he's lined up in the neutral zone.

Ahhh...had a brain fart. Read it like he had to the back of the ball, but weren't thunkin.

 

[Kaiser]

Lol, and clearly no amount of time and effort can adequately educate you. Even when there's verifiable evidence and info (NFL rulebook) presented before you it's "ugh, ugh, I just don't wanna see it."

You never actually read the posts you respond to, do you? Like your "chop block" posts earlier, are you really arguing that the blue line is actually on the field for the players to see?

Stop spazzing out and read before responding.

 

[Nightman]

These guys are simply making it up as they go. First, it was "his hands behind the line!" Now it's "his heads not completely past the zone/ball!"

The blown up picture says it all................"Not Guilty"

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

This is why penalties should be challengeable.

 

[MarcusRock]

better not let Marcus see this, he'll be debunking every conspiracy he can make up. lol

edit: oops, just scrolled back to see it's already happened...

Lol. Don't be shy. Join in.

 

[MarcusRock]

Sorry, but there is no blue line on the field. The ref can only go by the ball to determine neutral zone, not the original placement. That would be impossible.

You're way back there but my other posts explain Gregory's head, the blue line, and the ball.

 

[MarcusRock]

The blue line is put there by the network, has zero bearing on this discussion. The placement of the ball is the only thing that matters.

I get your side being intentionally obtuse because to see is to walk back your claims which won't happen I know but still. Look where the ball is in relation to the blue line and look where Gregory's head is in relation to the blue line. Here's my Page 11 posting of this same pic, lol.

 

[MarcusRock]

in the grand scheme of things, what difference does it make now whether or not Gregory was lined up in the neutral zone???????????????

PFT started it.

 

[BatteryPowered]

This is a good post. The refs can always pick up a flag though. So if they think the infraction they see is borderline they can always confer with another ref.

You are correct...just like the inadvertent whistle in basketball. Thing is, every crew (above high school) is graded on every game and scored for correct calls, incorrect calls, correct no-calls and incorrect no-calls. Believe it or not, you can get "dinged" more for picking up the flag than by missing the call (or so I am told by guys I know at the D1 level). That is not always true. Take PI for example, the official on the play is looking for certain things and focused on a certain area. He throws a flag for PI and two other crew members come over and say (basically) "Dude, the ball was 15 yards over his head. Completely uncatchable." That is a good pick up. Throwing for lining up in the neutral zone, then picking it up...not so much.

That shouldn't enter into the equation for an official. But they are human and want play-off assignments...which are given based on your ratings during the regular season. More so for basketball, but it also applies for football.

 

[shabazz]

If Gregory was dressed in a Steelers, Patriots, or Packers uniform it would be a non-call and a non-story.

As a matter of fact the announcers would comment on how well he read the snap and talked at length about his first step burst and his athleticism

“Takes off Tin Foil Hat”

 

[MarcusRock]

This is a good post. The refs can always pick up a flag though. So if they think the infraction they see is borderline they can always confer with another ref.

That's why a conspiracy would be hard to come by. The whole crew would need to be in on it. Nevermind the fact that they're doing their jobs in front of TV cameras for the whole world to see.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You never actually read the posts you respond to, do you? Like your "chop block" posts earlier, are you really arguing that the blue line is actually on the field for the players to see?

Stop spazzing out and read before responding.

Thanks for illustrating my point precisely. You can't be helped, but let me try one more time.

Of course the blue line isn't visible on the field. It simply reflects the actual location of the ball on the field as a visual reference.

Now, do you see the front tip of the football?

Do you see how the front edge of the blue line is precisely lined up with that same point of the football? Yeah? That's your reference.

Now, do you see Gregory's head clearly in the blue area (aka the "nuetral zone")?

Yaaaaaay!!!

You did it!

 

[Vandyr]

I get your side being intentionally obtuse because to see is to walk back your claims which won't happen I know but still. Look where the ball is in relation to the blue line and look where Gregory's head is in relation to the blue line. Here's my Page 11 posting of this same pic, lol.

I'm not being obtuse about anything, I'm pointing out that the blue line isn't on the field during play therefore doesn't exist in the eyes of the players or the referee. From what I can see in the picture, Gregory's helmet is just beyond the tip of the ball. Maybe that's the slightly skewed angle. At any rate, I don't think it should have been called, just like that ridiculous pre-snap penalty against the center on that field goal a few games back.

 

[StarBoyz83]

we got away with one call, the helmet to helmet but the score might have been 20-3 when that happened had the fumble remained our's. At that point, three straight first downs the Saints got were from penalties.

The beasley 1st down also

Those were 2 i saw in the short time I got to watch

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

we would have gone on 4th down and gotten it anyway

 

[MarcusRock]

I'm not being obtuse about anything, I'm pointing out that the blue line isn't on the field during play therefore doesn't exist in the eyes of the players or the referee. From what I can see in the picture, Gregory's helmet is just beyond the tip of the ball. Maybe that's the slightly skewed angle. At any rate, I don't think it should have been called, just like that ridiculous pre-snap penalty against the center on that field goal a few games back.

I'm using to show you it was the right call. Gregory should have been looking at his teammates. They are at least a half yard behind him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I'm not being obtuse about anything, I'm pointing out that the blue line isn't on the field during play therefore doesn't exist in the eyes of the players or the referee. From what I can see in the picture, Gregory's helmet is just beyond the tip of the ball. Maybe that's the slightly skewed angle. At any rate, I don't think it should have been called, just like that ridiculous pre-snap penalty against the center on that field goal a few games back.

Lol, how rich is this.


So you continue to try to hang your hat on a point NOBODY is making (that the blue line is not visible on the field) and purposely strain at the obvious evidence that the ball is lined up with the visual reference point (aka "the blue line"). Now you're worried about TV angles as if they haven't accounted for that, lol? Secondly, there is a ref that's sits right on that ball from the sideline that has a real perspective. Yet, in complete irony you've determined he wasn't in the neutral zone based on your perspective from the couch through a TV camera angle.

Just say "I don't wanna believe it" and be done with it.

 

[Idgit]

It doesn't matter if he was offsides or not. What matters is it's yet another example of officials inserting themselves into the outcomes of games and getting it wrong. On plays that affect the outcomes of games/seasons.

When the play on the field doesn't separate players enough and officials do instead, you're not watching a game anymore. You're watching group of judges decide who moves on and who doesn't. And frankly, that's **** tv.

The league has to fix this.

 

[Kaiser]

Thanks for illustrating my point precisely. !

LOL, you are proving the point but its my point that don't actual read anything. My post was about the blue line, its a total strawman to claim I was in the middle of the ball/line/helmet argument in this thread. Go back and read the thread.

 

[Dre11]

Or the missed helmet to helmet on Zeke in the first quarter on his catch over the middle.